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10-22-2008, 02:10 PM
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Newbie : how to create a console to pilot/automate a Roland Juno 106 hardware synth ?
I am really not into JS programming but own a Roland Juno 106 synth and would like to control it from Reaper.
I have the sysex code for each synth's parameter (filters, ADSR, sub level, etc.), would it be difficult to build a JS plug-in to pilot/program/automate the Juno via midi ?
Any input of you genius guys would be much appreciated (I may want to sell my Juno if nothing is possible) ...
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10-22-2008, 03:20 PM
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Cool!
Have have an old Juno too.
I have not tried to hook it up with Reaper yet.
Have you tried a midi controller?(BCF or L)
Maybe If I get the chance tonight I'll see what the old beast can do.
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10-23-2008, 07:08 AM
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I tried doing this for my Blofeld but I got stuck on that JS only supports 16 sliders
Also, there is no way to do sysex yet so that also need to be added.
Maybe we should write a proper feature request for this one. or maybe even two separate ones?
1. More sliders in JS at least 128 of them.
2. Allow reaper and JS to send sysex
I don't have a clue yet how you build sysex but maybe someone else could jump in and fill in the details. Any suggestion on how a good sysex implementation shold work?
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10-23-2008, 05:20 PM
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my guess is that sending sysex shouldn't be TOO hard to add (except that js has to run pretty fast, so it'd need to have some sort of external buffer). receiving sysex would be a nightmare in js, though - the machinery just isn't there to support it.
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10-24-2008, 12:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dub3000
my guess is that sending sysex shouldn't be TOO hard to add (except that js has to run pretty fast, so it'd need to have some sort of external buffer).
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You are referring to that midi is slow and also a serial interface right?
(I'm still learning more about midi so bear with me and my sci fi midi thoughts )
Since it is rather easy to create audio buffers in JS, if you see these as arrays of values would it be possible to use a set of arrays in parallel to use as a midi buffer? or is that just crazy?
Then you have two variables that indicate where to read and write
and at each block +offset you output the next midi message?
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10-24-2008, 01:40 AM
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We need more than 16 sliders + sysex !!
JS sending sysex and capable of more than 16 sliders would mean a possible JUNO 106 automatable reamote ?
If yes, imagine how great it could be to create a collection of JS reamote plug-ins for a large variety of hardware synths and drummachines !
My Sequential Circuits would love that ;-) !!
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10-24-2008, 02:28 AM
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DP again
By the way, DP has a "console" feature that really rocks.
You can create consoles with objects (knobs, faders, checkboxes, whatever) and dedicate a CC number to each of them + name them, place them the way you want etc.
Attached is a picture of a console made for the Juno 106 in DP.
Any possibility to have a JS console DIY kit in a similar fashion ?
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10-24-2008, 01:26 PM
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Reaktor ?
A bit OT, but would it be simpler to programm a Reaktor patch ?
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12-18-2008, 12:40 PM
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Lol, I did something like this a loooong time ago for Cakewalk. I even used a heavily edited photo of the real hardware controller (PG-300, which I also have) with nicely moving knobs and all that.
Don't sell that Juno just yet... hoovers ftw!
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12-18-2008, 03:46 PM
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I tried but I simply can't ;-)
I tried to sell these old babies (I have a few Sequential, an MS-20, a MiniMoog, etc.), believing in digital as it is so much more easy to use ... but each time I fired them up for what was supposed to be the last time, I just could not let them go.
Just the other day, I launched the Juno and quickly got this pad/bell 80s sound right away + this awesome chorus made it so deep. It just sits in the mix so easily.
Even with my Native Instruments, I usually have to beef them up to approach the fatness of the analog.
I don't know if digital technology will ever sound better than the grand pas ?
By the way, any JS genius around ready to help the community with this Juno 106 control plug-in ?
Thanx guys,
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01-08-2009, 01:49 AM
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still stuck : is using my fingers the only way ?
Some news on this topic :
- reading the JS documentation, I found that sysex is not supported in JS plug-ins ... CC only. -> apparently nothing to do on that side.
- posting on Native Instrument's forum, I was told that it's the same for Reaktor ...
- as far as I can remember, even Unisyn (MOTU librarian) can "only" store patches but does not provide automation (how would it ?) ...
-> are my fingers the only way ?
-> is there any way to send sysex from Reaper ?
HELP !
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01-08-2009, 03:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mio*star
-> is there any way to send sysex from Reaper ?
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Yes, you can insert .syx files on a track.
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01-09-2009, 02:07 AM
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how ?
how do you do that ?
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01-09-2009, 02:53 AM
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found something
I found SysEx Librarian, a freeware that lets you send sysex messages to MIDI equipment.
Good for patches recall etc. but not automation from within Reaper.
As the code is available, do you JS-wizards think there would be a possibility to create something working in Reaper ?
http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/Source/
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