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Hi.

Is there a definitive list of expected new features for version 5.

I know about VCA's and the forthcoming Notation features. Anything else we can expect, either new features or enhancements to existing features.

Basically devs, watcha up to?
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Cockos doesn't do any public roadmaps.
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Well that sucks, but just a tiny bit.

Keeps us guessing I suppose!
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Well that sucks, but just a tiny bit.

Keeps us guessing I suppose!

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Tell me what you know about vcas in 5?

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Hi.

Is there a definitive list of expected new features for version 5.

I know about VCA's and the forthcoming Notation features. Anything else we can expect, either new features or enhancements to existing features.

Basically devs, watcha up to?
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Hi.

Is there a definitive list of expected new features for version 5.

I know about VCA's and the forthcoming Notation features. Anything else we can expect, either new features or enhancements to existing features.

Basically devs, watcha up to?
If it helps, here (in no significant order, and not including various minor tweaks and twiddles) is a summary list that I am preparing for the revised REAPER 5 User Guide. This is essentially new features released to date, but also includes some existing features that were not previously documented:

Metronome: beat patterns can be configured by the user.
Auto naming multiple new tracks.
VCA track control.
Creating smart FX folders.
JS FX display options.
Time/tempo signature markers: more settings, including metronome pattern.
Theme element customization now moved to Action List.
Parameter learn available for per-take FX, record input FX and monitoring FX.
Options to show/hide markers, regions and/or tempo/time sig markers in piano roll.
The Toolbar docker.
Adding FX comments.
Selecting a sidechaining receive track.
Automation: Option to use amplitude scaling or fader scaling on volume envelopes.
Automation of item take FX parameters.
Phase setting for LFO parameter modulation can now be user defined.
New chapter: Using REAPER with Video.
Rendering a video project.
More information about VST compatibility preferences.
Slaving REAPER to a software MIDI sequencer.

PS This list does not include the Notation Editor because this is not available in pre 13.
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List 'o stuff.
Great list, thanks!
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You forgot VST3 suppport!
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Thanks, this will indeed be mentioned in the R5 User Guide, but not listed above because it doesn't require any user action to access it ... it's just this there!
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"Automation: Option to use amplitude scaling or fader scaling on volume envelopes."


Will this include log vs linear scaling for volume envelopes?
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"Automation: Option to use amplitude scaling or fader scaling on volume envelopes."


Will this include log vs linear scaling for volume envelopes?
That's pretty much what it is. Check the fader taper in the preferences and find what works best for you.
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That's pretty much what it is. Check the fader taper in the preferences and find what works best for you.
Yes, and just to add, the hint given in the Prefs, Project, Track/Send default window reads:

"Volume envelopes can be scaled by amplitude (half as high is half as loud) or by track fader scale (envelope height corresponds to the track fader)."
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Yes, and just to add, the hint given in the Prefs, Project, Track/Send default window reads:

"Volume envelopes can be scaled by amplitude (half as high is half as loud) or by track fader scale (envelope height corresponds to the track fader)."

I'm looking at that window in Reaper Preferences.

Project
Track/Send Defaults

And I don't see either the hints popping up or "Volume envelopes can be scaled by amplitude (half as high is half as loud) or by track fader scale (envelope height corresponds to the track fader)."

Or any preferences for fader taper.


Just because it's there doesn't necessarily mean I see it though. What am I missing? I'm having a terrible time getting detail in the quieter range of the volume envelopes. I've been looking for how to get that control for a good while (I've been asked by quite a few people as well) and I just haven't been able to find it.

I suppose I should move this to another forum

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rick, I think what you're looking for here is in the Project, Track/Sends Default dialogue under the name "Scaling for new volume envelopes" with the options of Amplitude scaling or Volume fader scaling. By default it's set to Amplitude scaling.
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is this a Mac thing? I don't have that choice either. However, I DO have
"default envelope point shape" with
square (log?),
linear,
bezier,
fast start,
fast end,
and slow start/end, which I now see might be what I'm looking for.

Off to test.

How is it my pref screens are so different?

Thanks much. I'll assume for now that this is it. If not, back to the manual.

Again,

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hmm, just checked my laptop (osx 10.6.8) against my desktop machine (win 7) and i'm seeing the same thing on both here -- should be 5 lines down from the "default envelop point shape" line on the dialogue.
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Am I looking at an alternate preferences panel?

5 down on mine from there is "record arm" and Record Config.

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You're asking about *new* v5.x features, but are still using a 4.x version. Try using a v5.x pre-release version instead.
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thanks. off to upgrade. Feeling slow.
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thanks. off to upgrade. Feeling slow.
You should remember that pre-releases are buggy as hell and thus unstable. Don't do any work in them that shouldn't be lost horribly and suddenly by a crash or a bug. Don't even open any files unless you've taken a backup of those files first or you could corrupt them or do something else inreversible.
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Thanks for the reminder. I just made a copy to do some testing in. Seems good so far. But yeah, I've got a deadline, so not going to risk too much. That said... Is it opening much faster than before? It sure seems so. No glitchings of any kind.

The lack of precision control at the bottom end of the volume automation has been an issue with a few people I work around. We're all quite anxious to get that. It has been said it is the only, single, solo, problem with Reaper. For most of us (acousmatic and electroacoustic classical composition) we're working around it. For a few people it's a deal breaker so they aren't giving it a thorough chance. One of them won't recommend it to his music department/students until it's done. I think that's a shame. I haven't been so happy with a DAW since Deck was invented.
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You should remember that pre-releases are buggy as hell and thus unstable.
And you found this wisdom how? Frankly I am having little or no issue with V5 pre-release. Could be in part due to the way I use the software or it could be that overall it's pretty stable.

I use the Windows 10 Technical Preview as my main OS and really have no issues with it whatsoever ..

Pre-release software is _not_ by definition unstable or bug-ridden..
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New pre-release versions may indeed contain new bugs, but more often than not, they also contain bug fixes.
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You should remember that pre-releases are buggy as hell and thus unstable. Don't do any work in them that shouldn't be lost horribly and suddenly by a crash or a bug. Don't even open any files unless you've taken a backup of those files first or you could corrupt them or do something else inreversible.
Well we must be in the many thousands of pres by now and i would not have ever called a single one buggy as hell, also i would argue that opening a file would ever corrupt it, it is possible by saving it but not opening it, and even while saving it is extremely doubtful due to the fact that previous versions of Reaper just ignore newer feature parts of any saved file and indeed Reapers song format is just a text file

I am not saying dont take some precautions if it makes you feel better, but in the long history of pre testing here, it hasnt actually happened
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Is it just me, or is there nothing that warrants the press for instance even doing a new review for v5 like they would for any full version of any other software.
Lets be fair the video and score editor are the only new features that would warrant that, the video is weak at best and the score editor wasn't much stronger.

Anybody else think its time to stop messing around with this v5 pre nonsense and move on to 5.01 and such so we can get some real updates ?
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just wishing for per take individual clip gain too!
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just wishing for per take individual clip gain too!
You can kind of do this now using either the volume in item properties or the volume envelope on the item as both of these are take and not item based.

I wouldn't say no to a take based one on the item somewhere though.
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You can kind of do this now using either the volume in item properties or the volume envelope on the item as both of these are take and not item based.

I wouldn't say no to a take based one on the item somewhere though.
Will check out that, to this day I couldn't find a fast solution to it.

It would be a nice thing when comping and having to compare different takes of the same thing that to be able to level them in place, so you don't have to do workaround about it, like copying to another track, selecting another take and levelling the clips (which now affects all the takes)..
a little fader on the left for each take when pressing a modifier could do. =)
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a little fader on the left for each take when pressing a modifier could do. =)
That would be nice! if you "show item volume" you can use this as a volume control too in that sense

I nearly forgot but in the SWS extension there is also a "take mixer" that brings up mixer with faders (and pans) for each actual take.

It's designed for use with the mode where you can hear all takes at once (for things like backing vocals) but I think it would also work if you had it open whilst changing takes and then adjusting the level of each.

Another way is to use the RMS function on it to normalise each take but you might have to either "explode" them all, RMS normalise them and then implode them back into a single item or do them one at a time.
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... or why not do it right and make items on lanes behave exactly like items on tracks ?
They are audio events after all, so it makes perfect sense to treat them fully that way.
In Cubase you can freely cut up, manipulate and edit items on lanes, you can even drag events from lanes to tracks or vice versa all you like ...
Absolutely transparent and intuitive.

A better solution is a better solution, period.
And only the best solutions are good enough for Reaper 5 !
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If it helps, here (in no significant order, and not including various minor tweaks and twiddles) is a summary list that I am preparing for the revised REAPER 5 User Guide. This is essentially new features released to date, but also includes some existing features that were not previously documented:

...
Selecting a sidechaining receive track.
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Does this sidechain receive track mean that you can sidechain any track to any other track like you can in Logic, or are we still dependent on having the plugin allow you to select the detector input?
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I am not saying dont take some precautions if it makes you feel better, but in the long history of pre testing here, it hasnt actually happened
It has to happen only once and you can lose many weeks or months of work... so that's that.

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Does this sidechain receive track mean that you can sidechain any track to any other track like you can in Logic, or are we still dependent on having the plugin allow you to select the detector input?
I don't know Logic but I hope this answers your question. I'll take ReaComp as an example.

The plug-in connector window now includes a drop down list of all other tracks in the project. You can select the sidechaining track from this list.
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It has to happen only once and you can lose many weeks or months of work... so that's that.
Reaper backs up the project every few minutes and every time you manually save.

It's practically impossible to lose more than a few minutes of work.

I have a few articles and videos on the REAPER Blog if you're interested in finding out more about backing up your projects and preferences.
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Reaper backs up the project every few minutes and every time you manually save.

It's practically impossible to lose more than a few minutes of work.

I have a few articles and videos on the REAPER Blog if you're interested in finding out more about backing up your projects and preferences.
Yes, I'd advise anybody who wants to ensure automatic backup to check their project preference settings ...
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