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Old 01-09-2013, 08:27 PM   #1
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v4.32rc2 - January 9 2013

# FX browser: improved resize logic, toggle layout changes with doubleclick on divider
# Video/VLC: video frame timestamp fix
# Video/VLC: improved seeking

+ Automute: option (default) to clear automutes on playback start
+ Automute: improved updating of arrange when automuting
+ FX browser: optional alternate tree/list layout (doubleclick divider to change)
+ Media items: avoid creating tiny media items when pencil-drawing with snap enabled
+ MIDI: improved linear painting in drum modes [t=107205]
+ MIDI: fixed overdub+autopunch+preroll bug [issueid=4046]
+ MIDI: allow pasting of MIDI events directly in arrange view (adds item, or pastes in existing item)
+ OSX: fixed play cursor artifacts with retina displays
+ OSX: new faster CoreText rendering used on 10.5+, more consistent text
+ OSX: now linked against 10.5 SDK, but with 10.4 compatibility
+ ReaVerb: fixed incorrect transition from mono to stereo signals with stereo impulses
+ ReaVerb: corrected latency immediately after samplerate change
+ Routing matrix: mouseover highlight of current position
+ Routing matrix: improved functionality with click/drag to change multiple tracks
+ Routing matrix: show MIDI inputs and outputs
+ Routing matrix: improved display of MIDI-only sends
+ Time signatures: fixed adjusting media items when changing time signature numerator [t=115155]
+ Track routing dialog: improved layout when using large fonts on Windows
+ Track routing dialog: fixed parent channel not repopulating after adding sends
+ Video: added preliminary VLC support for video playback (install latest VLC for better video decoding)
+ Video: added YV12 colorspace support for OSX, Quicktime decoding
+ Video: improved bridged-quicktime behavior with mp3 audio (ignores audio rather than crashing)
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Tests with the video decoding side for the frame rates:

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Clock, including the GO TO function, and the video frame appear to be correct. Timeruler display is late by a consistent 566 samples at 48kHz project rate. Still searching .

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Appeared to be just fine. Clock, video frame and timecode ruler would match on all timecodes I threw at it, until I found this.

At 01:00:16:14, the video frame is displayed one sample too late.

I tested plenty of other timecodes and found some buggy behaviour. I would position the cursor a little to the right on maximum zoom in around a frame transition. The click and drag to the left to see where the clock changed values, the frame and the time ruler. The clock would always be correct here.

Still holding the mouse button down, going from before the frame transition would change the video frame one sample late quite often now outside the full second timecodes.

I drag back left and find that the frame changes at the right position again, but then dragging back right it changes at the right position. It's not consistent. Sometimes the frame changes at the right sample, sometimes it doesn't.

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Some timecodes were fine, some were not, i.e. they displayed the video frame one sample too late.

The sample grid on top of the double-float grid is quite a naughty thing.

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Did some quick testing with our favorite timecode menace, 29.97df and it looks like some problems still need to solved. The time ruler is still all over the place.

A list of timecodes in both SMPTE frames and then in samples:


The session, using the uncompressed AVI of 29.97df timecode : https://stash.reaper.fm/15041/Reaper4...est_2997df.zip (2kB - does not include AVI)

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Old 01-10-2013, 01:02 AM   #3
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What happened to the midi-love?
Didn't I see something about track-based midi-editing and Filter-dialog things?
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The bigger MIDI changes will take a lot more work and come back in later pres. There are already other good things here, so this will be the next official version to get these updates to the users while the MIDI development will go on in the background.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:33 AM   #5
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Well, this certainly fixes that problem. However, the whole thing is still in need of an overhaul. The vertical setup isn't optimal, but neither is the horizontal as the category pane wastes a lot of unnecessary space. It should really work in one window and it shouldn't be based on plug format. But ultimately Reaper needs an integrated browser, that's how all other daws are doing it because that's what makes the most sense. Why have all sorts of windows when you can have one with everything that you need in it.

And a bit of a bug: the buttons are overlapping the filter list field when sized small.
I would be happy with sub folders for my folders (How the hell any app in 2013 doesn't support sub foldering is beyond my comprehension)
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# FX browser: improved resize logic, toggle layout changes with doubleclick on divider
Awesome, thanks! See, it wasn't that hard.

Now if only we could choose between vertical and horizontal scrolling in the plugin list...

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I would be happy with sub folders for my folders (How the hell any app in 2013 doesn't support sub foldering is beyond my comprehension)
I wonder that too.


We should have options only to show VST folders, or only to show My Folders, etc, in the tree.
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Old 01-10-2013, 03:57 AM   #7
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We should have options only to show VST folders, or only to show My Folders, etc, in the tree.
Isn't it funny how the most basic things like this just don't get added hahaha

This version crashes a hell of a lot under Win8 x64 using certain VST (Z3ta2 particularly)
Moving loop points seems to have something to do with it

I have to say i am really unimpressed with Reaper x64 right now, never had so many crashes since the last few weeks.
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+ Media items: avoid creating tiny media items when pencil-drawing with snap enabled
You can still create tiny media items with resizing and snap enabled.
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some audio love, pleeeeeeeeease

warpmarkers, CUE improvements, .reaparts, whatever..
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Dude, people have been begging for midi love forever, now they are working on that.
some ppl, yes. others arent into MIDI that much.
MIDI ppl have pooled items, for eg..
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Awesome, thanks! See, it wasn't that hard.

Now if only we could choose between vertical and horizontal scrolling in the plugin list...
You can, just choose "show default preset" if you want vertical scrolling.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:05 AM   #12
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v4.32rc2 - January 9 2013

# FX browser: improved resize logic, toggle layout changes with doubleclick on divider
+ FX browser: optional alternate tree/list layout (doubleclick divider to change)
The folders can't be rearranged yet, right?

I love this DAW.... I had to change something in an older song (other DAW) and couldn't wait to get back to REAPER.
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The bigger MIDI changes will take a lot more work and come back in later pres. There are already other good things here, so this will be the next official version to get these updates to the users while the MIDI development will go on in the background.
Ok, that's fine
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Btw, I don't expect all the timing issues to get fixed for v4.32.

I'll keep trooping on for every version that says "Video:*" .

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You can, just choose "show default preset" if you want vertical scrolling.
This is great, and preferable (is this new?)

One issue with it: the window background color doesn't obey the preferences when the "show default preset" is enabled/disabled... the background reverts to white when I switch modes (whereas I've set it to grey), and the font becomes different also (verified it with screen capture). And the background color sticks to white until I restart Reaper.

And for the sake of completeness (not related to this PRE cycle), the FX panel background also doesn't obey the background color, it is white.


btw... the vertical scrolling list, and the switchable layout by double-click... is wonderful!

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some ppl, yes. others arent into MIDI that much.
MIDI ppl have pooled items, for eg..
Even God can't please everyone all the time.
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Hooray my quicktime created webcam videos now play correctly for the first time since VLC introduced!

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Isn't it funny how the most basic things like this just don't get added hahaha

This version crashes a hell of a lot under Win8 x64 using certain VST (Z3ta2 particularly)
Moving loop points seems to have something to do with it

I have to say i am really unimpressed with Reaper x64 right now, never had so many crashes since the last few weeks.
You could assist in tracking down the alleged bugs by submitting bug reports.
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You can, just choose "show default preset" if you want vertical scrolling.
Hm... Looks really bad, sorry. :/ I don't need this additional "Default preset" column or that column header at all. I just want it as it is right now, a list of all plugins in the selected folder, but scrolling vertically instead horizontally. "Default plugin" thing is irrelevant to me.

And yeah I can confirm Evan's findings - it doesn't respect custom colors even when I disable "Show default preset".

Please spruce this up a bit, guys. It looks horrible as it is now, this "default preset" thing.
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I'm loving the midi stuff indeed but I would be so happy if the below stuff came next! Could really do with a way to group items in a more malleable way with a real master container item like cubase

Also, has the midi stuff been taking out of this one yet or not until the final release? I've stayed on the old pre for now as the midi stuff has been really useful but I'm happy to stay here at the moment till it's time to start testing again

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Just to say THANKS for listening your users!
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+ Media items: avoid creating tiny media items when pencil-drawing with snap enabled

This is still happening. The pencilling in of an empty midi item is not obeying snapping to only visible grid lines.

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some audio love, pleeeeeeeeease

warpmarkers, CUE improvements, .reaparts, whatever..
Most of my work is audio based as well, so I can sympathize.

A reliable reainsert would be bliss for me!!

HOWEVER!!

The MIDI guys need love too...

Let them have it. Every little last drop... They need it!! REAPER NEEDS IT!!!

No doubt that audio improvements are on the list... I'll wait for it... Not going anywhere...
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You could assist in tracking down the alleged bugs by submitting bug reports.
I just did, x64 z3ta, move loop points, you could help by not posting with your non stop crappy attitude and lack of knowledge, oh look i can be an asshole too haha
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The devs struggle with MIDI (Always have, that is very obvious to anybody who looks without rose tints) so working on some audio stuff might actually get us some updates that aren't just changelog fillers.
The listening to users comment is funny, as has been shown recently and long term, they don't listen to users, they do what they want (Look at the long term FRs are that are ignored year after year, look at the months spent on stuff that is never and i mean NEVER asked for, look at the stuff that is changed to pretend they are listening but the changes are actually nothing like they have been TOLD yes TOLD (We actually use the app in anger and know much better than the devs how to make it more usable, this is a coder vs user thing and the user is losing here)

Bitch MIDI bitch MIDI bitch MIDI and what happens, they implement a useless arranger within a MIDI editor that already sits within an arranger, the devs have lost their way with MIDI and it is about time they stopped messing around and visited the FR forum and started to implement the stuff that is asked for by their PAYING customers.
MEH MEH MEH keep it out the pre threads, why ? nothing of consequence is being discussed here so we may as well discuss what should be happening with the pres, no ? and keeping it out of general circulation
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Hm... Looks really bad, sorry. :/ I don't need this additional "Default preset" column or that column header at all. I just want it as it is right now, a list of all plugins in the selected folder, but scrolling vertically instead horizontally. "Default plugin" thing is irrelevant to me.
Perhaps a multi-column layout will turn into a useful thing in the future (but it has to support the ability to show/hide individual columns). I've always wanted to know more info about plugins, like version, the location of the .dll files etc...

like Steinberg does it here:


However the above could also be achieved by a small info bar, displaying the additional info upon selection (similar to windows explorer with files and its status bar).

Whatever the case, the vertical layout is great to have, even in the current form.
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+ Media items: avoid creating tiny media items when pencil-drawing with snap enabled

This is still happening. The pencilling in of an empty midi item is not obeying snapping to only visible grid lines.
A screenshot of your snap settings please?
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Hm... Looks really bad, sorry. :/ I don't need this additional "Default preset" column or that column header at all. I just want it as it is right now, a list of all plugins in the selected folder, but scrolling vertically instead horizontally. "Default plugin" thing is irrelevant to me.

I have to agree on one aspect here(I have no opinion on the default preset thing).

A 1-column display better not scroll sideways. "'syche! Thought it worked like everysortawhereelse biatch, didncha! Hahaaaa"[/Chris Rock impression]
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Actually, being a mouse type of guy, I like 1 column scrolling sideways . For me it's often less mouse wheel action, because each wheel click scrolls an entire column worth of entries, like a "page down" function.

If there was a scroll-pagewise mousewheel modifier, I'd probably use vertical scroll and enjoy best of both worlds, but as is I am too lazy to reach over for page up/down keys - they are on the side of the keyboard that's hard to reach for me (my right hand keeps resting on the mouse).
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useless post here, but imo Bungle is right on with post #27

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I don't think Bungle is right... he has some valid points but they are drowned in a downright negative and unfair package.

So, Bungle and beatbybit, I am also saddened by the fact that I want some features (badly) and they are still not here... but you think it's "changelog fillers" that have made -and kept- Reaper one of the most efficient and stable DAWs around? (and in some areas way surpassing the competition, like 64bit support and plugin-bridging). You take this for granted, must be easy work right?

Yes, the devs sometimes DO respond and act to direct feedback and requests, and sometimes do NOT. Yes, some very major requests have BEEN implemented at some point over the years (like... Freeze), and some have NOT. When something does get implemented, attention from the forumites immediately flies on to something else. That's normal, but some appreciation is also well deserved.
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Can someone tell me how to drag'n'drop for example a short 32th note in a zoomed out midi item? Why do I need to zoom in in order to manage this (to get the pencil tool away)?
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Most of my work is audio based as well, so I can sympathize.

A reliable reainsert would be bliss for me!!
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The MIDI guys need love too...
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No doubt that audio improvements are on the list... I'll wait for it... Not going anywhere...
MIDI guys have swing, for eg. how we do that w/ audio? main timeline has NO swing grid. MIDI folks have Pooled items.. what about audio?
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MIDI guys have swing, for eg. how we do that w/ audio? main timeline has NO swing grid. MIDI folks have Pooled items.. what about audio?
It is not about "MIDI guys vs. Audio guys", many users do both at varying degrees. It is easy for someone to counteract your arguments but it won't lead anywhere. We will end up stating our preferred FRs, and each has their own. I personally find most popular FRs (including yours) to be great... be it audio, MIDI, video or whatever else. But you seem to imply that MIDI in Reaper has received more attention overall, than audio. You don't seriously mean that do you?
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But you seem to imply that MIDI in Reaper has received more attention overall, than audio. You don't seriously mean that do you?
i sure do.
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I would disagree with that.

Let's just remember months of crossfade editor thingies...
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i sure do.
Reaper basically started as an audio sequencer, MIDI was later added on top as a secondary thing (and has remained that way).

A recent reminder: when the first v4 alpha (in the works for months) hit the pre-release forum, there was a bunch of threads detailing all the exciting new features and improvements under development. At that point, because of lack of any mention, a user created a thread about MIDI... take a look here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=69740

This has been, and continues to be, the priority that MIDI more or less gets in Reaper. btw, I am not complaining I love most of the features I do audio too... I am only pointing out some facts.


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I can confirm that with your snap settings, I can draw and snap items to non-visible grid lines. This is not intended behavior, correct?
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Evan,

let me tell you that im not against any new features, be it MIDI, or else.
i just dont find the new features useful (incl. the crossfade editor) at all.
these new features dont help me composing / editing the stuff i'd need to.

none has to agree, i know im just one of the many Reaper users.

its just sad (to me) that we're past V4.2 - and iirc 4.2 was targeted with PiP improvements / .reapart goodies.

( http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=17664 - 2008 febr. - and we were discussing about this concept before 2008 too.)

still hoping, tho.
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I would have to say that I agree with BBB, I'm not against any of the midi features at all. I get frustrated that Reaper is missing some of the most basic editing features. This is one of them.

Why isn't there an option to have the time selection snap to a end of an item?

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