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Old 03-25-2015, 11:17 AM   #41
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I agree if we are doing it manually with three tracks etc. Let's consider the kid who just pulls down MSED and then tries to pan the result since it is all on one track.
You should tell that poor kid to stop driving nails with a wrench!
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:12 PM   #43
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The room ambiance is the number one factor in "what went on."




Everything you just mentioned *is* a stereo technique. Some techniques can be used in close, like a coincident pair (x/y), and some are designed to be used to capture the room, like mid-side.

These are just tools. They should be applied to a specific task. Mid-side recording isn't a good tool to use if you've got a crappy room. You don't drive nails with a wrench.



I do a ton of Blumlein pair recording for jam circles and have a number of setups for it. Mid-side is absolutely no different in that regard. It is designed to capture the entirety of the stereo field. If that field is crap, because your room is crap, it's not the right tool to use.

You can process mid-side after the fact, and get the exact same impact you would get if you recorded that way, minus the crap room.


Dont think you got my point, my fault.
in the case of acoustic guitar the result sounds V natural. I prefer that even the roominess is sub optimal. Of course it includes ambience as you would get in any technique, but its not as problematic as you seem to make out.

I have had great results with mid side recording on acoustic in a small control room type space, dead.

a lovely lively room would be great but its certainly not 'not worth trying' in any space as imo the resulting realism and control is often preferable to it sounding like sticking your ear a few inches from the neck!


As I said to karbo I don't won't folk leaving such a thread put off trying things which may yield the best recordings they've yet done.

One thing you do learn over the years is that the answer is usually grey!

Edit: wow ok so 5 yrs ago I uploaded this to the stash after getting pipeline audios' mics
Very zingy slide acoustic clip in m/s

https://stash.reaper.fm/4585/mictest1-MSslide.mp3
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