Old 08-28-2014, 01:47 PM   #1
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Its me again,

I've encountered a rather large problem that I hadn't noticed at first.

So here's my recording setup.

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When I'm recording it sounds great, but there is a slight white "shhh" noise in the background. The sound is a quarter as loud as the music by the time I have five simultaneous guitar tracks going. (Rhythm 1L, Rhythm 1R, Rhythm 2LR, Lead L, and Lead R.)

Are there any plugins I can install to get rid of this?

What I mean to say is, is there an audio range that I Can locate that is causing this problem? Or what pedal within my pod x3 live would I enable to get rid of this faint shh noise.

Its ruining my song...

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Old 08-28-2014, 01:50 PM   #2
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Is the noise there when you are playing also?

Is this something a noise gate on the Pod would help?

maybe render and post a clip of what it sounds like
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Old 08-28-2014, 01:55 PM   #3
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Greetings,

Yes, if it was doing it while I wasn't playing, it would be no issue. I could simply silence the offending portions.

It is an auditory "shh" during playing. But its faint enough that it only becomes a problem once I have five tracks going at once. Which unfortunately is integral.

I'll screw around with the noise gate.

I understand there are certain suspect frequencies that more avid sound professionals know of.

Are there any particular ranges I should be looking to silence?

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Old 08-28-2014, 02:03 PM   #4
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well.. off the cuff without hearing it, you can hipass it to get rid of uneeded low frequencies.. at least 100hz or so (probably some more)

also, I have a pod Xt, that has the same models. I always had to lowpass also to get rid of the high end fizz on the higain stuff. 7-10k I think.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:45 AM   #5
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Thanks for the reply.

Would I need to download a filter plugin, or how would I go about applying one?

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Alright, got Pro Q as the primary EQ. Then I have ReaEQ doing the low and high pass. Its sounding better.

Do you have advice? Or like, perhaps a learning resource you could direct me to? Thanks,

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Old 08-30-2014, 09:17 AM   #6
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Are you sure it's not just the output/preamp/gain of the unit hissing? If so anything you high pass is going to take from the guitar tone. You might make it a little better by staying higher than the guitar range though.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:29 AM   #8
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Here it is.

http://youtu.be/Kjx9DnU5M5M

I am not comfortable sharing the song that I am currently working on. Instead, here's something I just laid down.

The fuzz becomes much more prevalent when there are 4+ tracks laid down.

What is that? How can I get rid of it?
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:30 AM   #9
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Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HQe...ature=youtu.be

I am not comfortable sharing the song that I am currently working on. Instead, here's something I just laid down.

The fuzz becomes much more prevalent when there are 4+ tracks laid down.

What is that? How can I get rid of it?
Video isn't ready yet, I'll check back in. I was thinking of hiss, not fuzz so I'll need to hear it.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:34 AM   #10
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Its up now. (Listen to it w/ good headphones. It sounds like crap w/o studio headphones.)

http://youtu.be/Kjx9DnU5M5M
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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I hear a lot of hashy buildup between the two guitars (even just the first one). You didn't leave any quiet space to listen for hiss level, though.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:38 AM   #12
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The hiss isn't there when nothing is being played.

I suspect it has something to do with the distortion / high gain setup.

My point of asking was simply. What process, even if I lose tone, do I complete to remove that "Shhhh..." in the background.

(Nothing was done to the track, its just raw audio. The sound isn't there when nothing is played. Its a little bit on every track, and when five of them are going, as heard in the recording, its pretty prevalent. Turn your audio up, you'll hear it.)

The one rhythym guitar is a L and R.

This hashy buildup you refer to, how is that dealt with?
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:44 AM   #13
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The hiss isn't there when nothing is being played.

I suspect it has something to do with the distortion / high gain setup.

My point of asking was simply. What process, even if I lose tone, do I complete to remove that "Shhhh..." in the background.

(Nothing was done to the track, its just raw audio. The sound isn't there when nothing is played. Its a little bit on every track, and when five of them are going, as heard in the recording, its pretty prevalent. Turn your audio up, you'll hear it.)

The one rhythym guitar is a L and R.

This hashy buildup you refer to, how is that dealt with?
If there is no hiss when not playing, it is the amp sim, and the only thing that you can really do is dial back the gain and/or higher frequencies...or try other amp sims.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:45 AM   #14
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Thanks,

I use a pod X3 live. Its going directly out to the computer through a USB cable.

I'll just screw around with the tone then.

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Old 08-30-2014, 11:47 AM   #15
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Thanks,

I use a pod X3 live. Its going direct in through a USB cable.

I'll just screw around with the tone then.

Thanks,
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If you don't find a solution, you could use the pod to send a dry signal in and try some software amp sims. There are some good free ones out there for metal these days. Hit up youtube and give some a listen.
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You could turn off the noise gate if it is on and answer the question.
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Thanks man. I will certainly do that.

I should be able to work something out. That tone I was running is pretty gainy. Haha.

My knowledge with respect to mixing and stuff is terribly weak. I have some learning to do.

Youtube is great for that.

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You could turn off the noise gate if it is on and answer the question.

Yo, I thought I did answer. I guess I didn't.

Yes, the noise gate is on. (I did turn it off as well. It essentially did the same thing, but prior and after the recording there was unwanted sounds. Which is to be expected, that's what it is there for.)
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Which is to be expected, that's what it is there for.)
Yea, but we are wanting to know the source of the problem so we turn it off so it doesn't hide what we need to hear LOL. So it's likely the high gain and/or the output preamp on the unit most likely both but I can't say since I've never really heard it.

You can test the output noise by simply turning it up all the way (the output) while on a cleaner channel and input down. Also, with the output at middle and the gain at minimum. A few tests like that and you can narrow down to the exact part of the chain causing which exact noise.

I can tell by the amount of gain you are using, you'll probably have to live with some of it because high gain brings the noise floor up with it.
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as a owner of a X3 Live I will join in ...

so, the sounds you presented are serious??? ok. in the sounds is extreme hiend content by the sound himself. what is this for an amp-model? have you engaged any of the equalizers in the X3? dont throw the hiend up on this ...

you mentioned a noise-gate. turn that off. my suspicion is, that your sound in itself makes that hiss, Marshall and Mesas and some others (Insane for example) do that by themselves more or less. (if you want real hiss, make up with the X3 and PodFarm a 3 or 6 fully cranked up Vox Ac30 lineup like Brian May uses it ... you will be blown away ... by the hiss and the noise.)

so there is hiss and you throw in the noise-gate. when you play, the noise-gate can do nothing, it cant differentiate if the hiend is waht you are playing or if if it is unwanted noise. obviously you are playing, the noise-gate opens. means: hiss. on every track.

if you dont play, the noise-gate closes, means: no noise.

switch the noise-gate off and drive you hi-gain ampsims with more juice from the guitar. it sounds to me as if you would have backdown the guitar or the input of the X3. dont. if you play hi-gain, the input of the sim has to see some serious signal coming from the input of the X3. the higher you go there, the more you are above the hiss-level.

thas why I asked if mean this sounds serious. these sounds arent good. there is something very, very wrong with them, and it hasnt to do with headphones or speakers.

I have recorded songs with 18-20 tracks hi-gain guitars and there wasnt a percent of that hiss. so its not the X3, its something else, and I think it is wrong gainstaging before and in the X3.
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:25 PM   #21
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I had a very difficult time understanding what you were saying. I will try to address this paragraph by paragraph. (I mean no insult to you.)

The sound, yeah, it's not exactly the best. However; the way in which I converted that file requires that you be using some decent cans to hear it in the way I intended. No actual encoding was done. So unless you are wearing studio headphones, its going to sound terrible.

You could be hearing it for what it truly is and still think that. In which case I would respond: I'm not an audio specialist. My knowledge is very lacking. I've been as up front as I could possibly be: I know nothing.

Thanks for the tips on the hi end. I will refrain from doing that here on out. I'm learning, friend.

Thanks about the noise gate. And I will look into pod farm

Thanks for all the tips with the gain. I'll refer back to this post when I'm modifying my tones.

Godbless guys, no need to respond any more. The issue has been addressed, I've much to learn from all the input you've given me. When I have a new question, rest assured, I'll be back. haha

Mj

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so, the sounds you presented are serious??? ok. in the sounds is extreme hiend content by the sound himself. what is this for an amp-model? have you engaged any of the equalizers in the X3? dont throw the hiend up on this ...

you mentioned a noise-gate. turn that off. my suspicion is, that your sound in itself makes that hiss, Marshall and Mesas and some others (Insane for example) do that by themselves more or less. (if you want real hiss, make up with the X3 and PodFarm a 3 or 6 fully cranked up Vox Ac30 lineup like Brian May uses it ... you will be blown away ... by the hiss and the noise.)

so there is hiss and you throw in the noise-gate. when you play, the noise-gate can do nothing, it cant differentiate if the hiend is waht you are playing or if if it is unwanted noise. obviously you are playing, the noise-gate opens. means: hiss. on every track.

if you dont play, the noise-gate closes, means: no noise.

switch the noise-gate off and drive you hi-gain ampsims with more juice from the guitar. it sounds to me as if you would have backdown the guitar or the input of the X3. dont. if you play hi-gain, the input of the sim has to see some serious signal coming from the input of the X3. the higher you go there, the more you are above the hiss-level.

thas why I asked if mean this sounds serious. these sounds arent good. there is something very, very wrong with them, and it hasnt to do with headphones or speakers.

I have recorded songs with 18-20 tracks hi-gain guitars and there wasnt a percent of that hiss. so its not the X3, its something else, and I think it is wrong gainstaging before and in the X3.
@ The gain staging. You are right on the money. I literally just hit a few things, made it sound halfway decent, and messed with the EQ with no knowledge on adjusting eqs. Its all my fault, not the device. I was just seeking advice about using EQ's and setting up tones. You guys have done an excellent job answering that.

Turn off the noise gate, stop with the hi end, and get better at the EQ.
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