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I appreciate your hard work, Dave, but like Tod, my month is spiraling into a much more busy cycle. Plus this mix would take so much work to get it sounding "listenable" that I might try it for the sake of practice at some point, but no way will I have anywhere near the time it would take to make it work. Looking forward to hearing the other submissions though.
i think i did the same too.
too much travelling this month, so i will wait for the next contest.
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I should be able to make that deadline. On my setup, I think this song actually sounds pretty good so far. I put more time into this one than the last one already so far. I think just a few more tweaks in the upcoming days, and I should be good to go.
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I should be able to make that deadline. On my setup, I think this song actually sounds pretty good so far. I put more time into this one than the last one already so far. I think just a few more tweaks in the upcoming days, and I should be good to go.
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Same for me. A few days and it´s ready.
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Same for me. A few days and it´s ready.
that's great germano!
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This isn't a mix or a submission - It took me a bit to import all of the tracks and then messed around with the kit after all of the comments posted.It would be nice to have a fader mix of the song to listen to in the original post, I think more people might get interested in mixing the tracks if they hear and like the song.

I like the song, if I can scrape together some time before the deadline I'll give it a go.
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Hey guys..

Finished with my mix but am quite new to this and am looking for the short answer because of time constraints..

1. How do I zip my project
2. How to meet the requirement of 'a master mix (limited to -0.2 dB and at -14 LUFS): FLAC, 44.1 kHz, 24 bit' - with Reaper plugins.

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Hey guys..

Finished with my mix but am quite new to this and am looking for the short answer because of time constraints..

1. How do I zip my project
2. How to meet the requirement of 'a master mix (limited to -0.2 dB and at -14 LUFS): FLAC, 44.1 kHz, 24 bit' - with Reaper plugins.

Many thanks!
hi,

to create a zip folder you can either use programs such as WinRar or 7zip, or (if you are using Windows) right click on an empty space and go to new > compressed folder (then drag your files inside that folder).

To meet the requirements you need a vst that allows you to check the loudness of your song. I personally use Youlean Loudness Meter, which is free.

To limit the output volume of your track, then you need a limiter. You can use the JS effect: "Even horizon limiter/clipper".

The rest of the requirements are for the rendering.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9T...ew?usp=sharing

This isn't a mix or a submission - It took me a bit to import all of the tracks and then messed around with the kit after all of the comments posted.It would be nice to have a fader mix of the song to listen to in the original post, I think more people might get interested in mixing the tracks if they hear and like the song.

I like the song, if I can scrape together some time before the deadline I'll give it a go.
I agree that a fader mix would definitely be nice. That would let people hear what the song is like, without downloading anything, which would mean more people might audition it, to see if they are interested.

But, it *is* more work, and so is more entrants. There are actually few versions of this song up on YouTube so you can hear the song, but, it doesn't give you an idea about the audio we are working with. I think a first glance at hearing the true stems would have been more inspiring to me, although I probably wouldn't have heard that click on the kick, and there were some things I just chopped out of there.

One extension I added to chrome, is "Search YouTube" in right click context menu. So, I just highlighted the song and band name, and chose that option, and a few mixes came up. There were a few unnecessary words in the highlighted text, but it still worked, and that's at least something and it's basically just as easy as clicking a link.

Then, if the song seems interesting, it might be worth it to checkout the stems.

But I agree, hearing a fader mix would be ideal. Even just a render of everything at unity would be fine. That's always how I listen to it first, and that gives a rough idea.


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Hey guys..

Finished with my mix but am quite new to this and am looking for the short answer because of time constraints..

1. How do I zip my project
2. How to meet the requirement of 'a master mix (limited to -0.2 dB and at -14 LUFS): FLAC, 44.1 kHz, 24 bit' - with Reaper plugins.

Many thanks!
Just to add, I use JS master limiter as my limiter on my master. I prefer to use a number of instances, because that's a better way to get the loudness you want, while still avoiding any distortion you might get.

For the -0.2 limit, there is a slider that sets the limit, and you can set it to that. If you have only one instance, that should be all you need to do for that, except, you'll want to keep your fader for the master track at 0. The limiter will only accurately limit to the value you set there, if the fader is at zero.

So, a good solution for that is, before putting any of your plugins on your master, open up a pre-fader envelope, leave it flat, and just bring it up as high as you can so the song doesn't clip. Listen to the song a bunch of times is pretty slow, so I would recommend rendering it, and you'll see if there is any clipping that way. Or, if you already have plugins on your master and you want something faster, just keep your limiter off for now, and use a normal volume envelope and do the same. And if you're pretty confident you know exactly where the loudest part of your song is, you can just audition that section to see if it clips.

Then stick your limiter on there, and set the limit to -0.2, and that part of the criteria will be satisfied.

For the LUFS part, I use Youlean as well. There is another free plugin for that, but I forget what it's called. I unfortunately don't know the link for Youlean either I see it in my downloads history, but I can't get a link from that. It is this filename though specifically; "Youlean Loudness Meter Windows v1.0.5.zip" Once you install that, it's really small, you put that as the last plugin on your master. Now when you hit play you will see the meters go. The one that matters is the middle "integrated" LUFS value. This is essentially the average audio level over time, just a mathematically smart standard to do that with. So, we are looking for average of the whole song to be at -14. For this, you will need to play the whole song from start to finish, and then see what the value is. You can do this with renders as well, since they "playback" much faster. If you leave Youlean open while you render, you can watch the meters in real time. But if you don't it's ok, as long as you don't hit play again, it will keep the old values from the last playthrough. If you end up with -16, for example, your song is a bit too quiet, so you can go to your limiter, and lower the threshold. That will make a bit louder. If it's already too loud, like -12 or something, then you would need to do the opposite, and back your threshold off a bit.

So, to recap,

1. Set volume as loud as possible without clipping using an envelope on the master.

2. Stick a limiter at the end of your signal chain so far, and set the limit value to -0.2

3. Get Youlean and stick it after the limiter, the very last thing on the master track.

4. Make sure the middle integrated number reads -14 LUFS, or close, on an entire playthrough of the song.
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There is another free plugin for that, but I forget what it's called.
Orban Loudness Meter - What makes it worthwhile is that it allows you to drag/drop a render into it which processes much faster than having to allow the song to play from beginning to end if using a meter ITB.

FWIW, LUFs measurements read the entire song beginning to end in order to accurately calculate so using it offline as a sanity check is just faster and easier.
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Excellent advice as always fella's - Thanks!
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OK - I think I have it e-mailed - can you confirm it's received as it should be? Thanks!
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yep but please don't send the source files...

edit: oh god, I've just opened your folder! It's a mess! What am I supposed to use? Come on guys, make my life easier xD
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How to pack up a mix:

0a. If you converted Flac to Wav, open the .rpp in a text editor and file/replace .wav with .flac.
0b. Check the project is using the Flacs properly
1. Make sure all audio files are being referenced to the 'Source' folder in the project directory.
2. Save the project
3. Send the zipped .rpp along with any impulses you used, etc

For the future, if anyone wants to simplify the flac > wav thing, it's easiest to do this:

1. Import all the Flac
2. Use Reaper's Batch convert to convert all the flac to wav
3. Import all the wav right next to the flac, double check they're in the same order
4. Overlap the wav over the flac in the same tracks
5. Select all, right click, implode to takes
6. Optionally, turn off multiple takes display so you are just seeing the single Wav take
7. Remove the flac files from the folder, so they can't possibly be used by Reaper

When the mix is done, replace the flac files in the folder just to make sure they're working. Remove the wav takes and all your items should now be the flac versions, no matter what splitting you did.
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yep but please don't send the source files...

edit: oh god, I've just opened your folder! It's a mess! What am I supposed to use? Come on guys, make my life easier xD
I did warn you I was new to this

I have a separate drive in which is a folder called Reaper projects. In that folder, I have a project file called 'what have you done to me'. It contains all the audio, revisions and backups. That is the file I sent together with a mixed down FLAC of the final mix.

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What is the right file? I mean the session
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I think I've sent mine in, for what it's worth.
I found this month's mix a real challenge, and only had a few days to play with it.
From a newbie mixers perspective, I didn't really know where to start - quite a lot of tracks and lots to do on most of them.
From the perspective of a long-time musician, if I'd gone into a studio and come out with these stems, I'd be really pissed off! I thought they were very poor quality, especially the drums & bass, but I guess we can share opinions and compare notes in the post-mortem.
Good luck to everyone who enters - I'm intrigued to hear everyone's mixes.
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The last one (excluding the .wav).- '1.7 Final Mix'
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Tend to agree Bass6 - I ended up getting a drum mix by a combination of mic bleeds. There is also bad clipping in places. Anyway, a good experience; if I'm ever asked to mix someone else's work
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The last one (excluding the .wav).- '1.7 Final Mix'
got it
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I won't say too much so as not to single myself out, but although a lot of stuff took some work, for me some of the worse recordings were the vocals, because there wasn't much you could really do to fix them.

These vocals were stitched together vocals from the vocalist singing in different rooms. Sometimes a dead one, and sometimes just a sort of regular sounding room. And these would change word to word. I tried to sort of fix one of them, but that was where I drew the line, along with most pitch correction. But I think this song would be pretty cool with some pitch correction and vocalign.

The clipping on the drums was a bitch, and I think I could maybe have done better getting them to sound better, but I think I did alright with it. The bass was also kind of rough. Bass is hard to get right if it isn't recorded well by a good bass, I find. Especially if they put some slap parts into it, where you'll want some crisp attack in the higher frequencies.
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Sorry trevlyns, your session is linking to glued files, which I said I don't want for management reasons you still have time to fix it and I won't close you the doors at the 19th

edit: I'm just waiting for the session file. I'm going to upload your mix anyway, don't worry mate
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Strange? I thought I only healed some items I'd worked on ... I'll recheck.

EDIT: OK, sorted - I've re-submitted
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I've never been so frustrated with a mix. This was well outside of my ability and I really struggled with all the guitars.

I had the bass really good the first session, listening to the mix AFTER I sent it in and I'm hearing so much wrong with that, and also the vocals are all over the place in a terrible way.

If I win this one I'll be ashamed XD

This song does need better arrangment.

In total I took out one background vocal, 2 lines of another background vocal, all the shakers (not the right rhythm and sounded fake), the clean guitar (why??), Tom 2 (lol, mic'd a drum that never got used), and in the end I also said to hell with the hi-hat mic, there was a nice blend of snare and hi hat on the snare track and I used that and the overheads.

If I mixed this again I'd pay even more attention to vocal leveling, which I did... and then I ruined it all by making last minute changes while I had ear fatigue.

I don't care anymore.

I did use automation items for the first time and its not a techno song so I deserve at least one cookie.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9T...ew?usp=sharing

Farted around with this a bit tonight and found out I don't know how to select parts of wave(Flac in this case) files in Reaper!

Have a show tomorrow, hope to squeeze an hour or so in on Sunday to get it done.
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I've never been so frustrated with a mix. This was well outside of my ability and I really struggled with all the guitars.

I had the bass really good the first session, listening to the mix AFTER I sent it in and I'm hearing so much wrong with that, and also the vocals are all over the place in a terrible way.

If I win this one I'll be ashamed XD

This song does need better arrangment.

In total I took out one background vocal, 2 lines of another background vocal, all the shakers (not the right rhythm and sounded fake), the clean guitar (why??), Tom 2 (lol, mic'd a drum that never got used), and in the end I also said to hell with the hi-hat mic, there was a nice blend of snare and hi hat on the snare track and I used that and the overheads.

If I mixed this again I'd pay even more attention to vocal leveling, which I did... and then I ruined it all by making last minute changes while I had ear fatigue.

I don't care anymore.

I did use automation items for the first time and its not a techno song so I deserve at least one cookie.
I've received your submission! Nothing's missing but a JS effects: stereotilt. Can you send it to me please? Thanks!
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I've just send my submission.
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I'm going to upload all the submissions tomorrow morning, so feel free to send me yours if you still hadn't!
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