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11-26-2008, 03:43 PM
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2.99 alpha preview 2
Posted. To get use the l/p at the bottom of the first post of this thread. Please observe the same rules as before:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=28633
Discuss here.
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11-26-2008, 03:44 PM
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Put this image in your theme image folder for midi note colorization.
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11-26-2008, 03:45 PM
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Sweeeet...
v2.99.alpha.preview.2 - November 26 2008
+ Improved the way item notes are stored
+ Curve and circle drawing efficiency and appearance improvements
+ MIDI items remember their sync-to-arrange state
+ MIDI editor: themeable colormaps for note velocity and channel
+ About screen effect will scale according to the available CPU power
+ New splash screen
+ Media item properties dialog allows setting item position and length in time or beats
+ Colorthemes have configurable blend modes/opacity for numerous items
+ Colortheme configuration updates
+ dB scales on track meters are now optional
+ Left/right edge adjustment snapping now respects X track-distances like moving
+ Preliminary automation envelope lanes
+ Track record-output modes now obey "Monitor track media when recording" setting
+ Added special case for arcDev ET-200 leaking huge amounts of RAM on stop (still leaks on samplerate changes)
+ Recording is now allowed when tracks are record armed but set to "do not record"
(minor stuff)
+ MIDI editor remembers last directory for note name maps
+ Stray keystrokes won't reset MIDI editor grid
+ Vertical zoom (make all tracks a little smaller or bigger) now on view menu
(bugs from 2.99)
+ Fixed folder issues
+ Fixed looping MIDI issues
+ Fixed render-stems crash
+ Fixed replace-touch recording mode when using PDC
+ Volume fader hiding when tcp width too low
+ Fixed 45degness of folder drawing
+ Fixed project MIDI export (or at least made it less broken)
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11-26-2008, 03:45 PM
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+ Left/right edge adjustment snapping now respects X track-distances like moving
wooo-hooo-hooooo!!!
megathanks.
+ Added special case for arcDev ET-200 leaking huge amounts of RAM on stop (still leaks on samplerate changes)
!!
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11-26-2008, 04:11 PM
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The addition of the new drop down menu for velocity/channel colour switch is indeed welcome.
However, you can't tab to it in turn after channel selection (which seems a natural flow), but at the end of the current tab ME sequence. That continues to be also true for sync to main timeline, and reuse midi editor.
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11-26-2008, 04:14 PM
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bug:
if i press a key while having Snap selected in the ME, all settings will be duplicated, and duplicated, and..
ME keeps all these settings until i close and re-open it.
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Last edited by beatbybit; 11-26-2008 at 04:17 PM.
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11-26-2008, 04:17 PM
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Many many thanks for fixing this:
+ Fixed folder issues
+ Fixed render-stems crash
and many many many many many many many thanks for:
+ Preliminary automation envelope lanes
You're amazing guys!...
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11-26-2008, 04:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beatbybit
bug:
if i press a key while having Snap selected in the ME, all settings will be duplicated, and duplicated, and..
ME keeps all these settings until i close and re-open it.
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Confirmed
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11-26-2008, 04:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beatbybit
if i press a key while having Snap selected in the ME, all settings will be duplicated, and duplicated, and..
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Fixed for the next one, doh.
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11-26-2008, 06:00 PM
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Wicked! looking forward to it...
fellas lets keep this thread under control!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
I'd like to make sure everybody understands the terms:
1) Don't link to landoleet from anywhere, don't redistribute the password or the builds, don't go posting on news sites "REAPER 2.99 is out!" . THIS IS NOT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
2) Don't discuss it other than in the Pre-Release forum. This means not in the general discussion forum here, and for the love god, not at KVR.
3) Don't use it for anything critical -- it's a lot of fresh code so who knows how well it'll work.
4) Don't go making judgments on what v3 will be like from this -- this is an early update representing approximately a month of work.. there are easily a couple more months coming.
I know that's a lot of "don't"s, but I wanted to make it clear what we expected.. So here's a couple more things:
5) DO report any reproduceable crashes you get, _IF_ you can't duplicate them in 2.53 and have since tested to confirm that.
6) DO resist complaining about things that are obviously not finished yet.
The login and pass for landoleet.org is 'reaper' / 'yay'.
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11-26-2008, 06:20 PM
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Minor: I love the new splash screen but it's going out too fast. Is there a way to see it without restarting the app?
Edit: I was opening a new empty project, that's fine with a bigger one.
Last edited by bogo; 11-26-2008 at 10:10 PM.
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11-26-2008, 07:06 PM
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Just had a quick look at the new automation lanes:
Love it!!!
It's one thing I've been waiting for. Thanks a lot.
(Just an idea: Maybe an additional button on the lane (or right click entry) with "show FX" (for quick accessing the GUI of the assigned Vst) could be handy.)
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+ Left/right edge adjustment snapping now respects X track-distances like moving
Anyone care to explain this?
Last edited by nofish; 11-26-2008 at 07:09 PM.
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11-26-2008, 07:21 PM
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The most striking to me is the optional display of the dB metering markers. Turning that off just took a load of visual noise out of my screen. Thank you.
It's preliminary stuff but perhaps it's worth a mention. The envelope lanes disappear as the tracks are vertically sized down, either with the action I attached to the mousewheel or the minimize track command.
Fine progress.
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11-26-2008, 07:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
Put this image in your theme image folder for midi note colorization.
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Is my mind playing tricks on me, or did MIDI notes in MIDI editor not used to be different colors for different channels? Seems now they're all the one color regardless ...
On edit: well bugger me, now the colors are just fine again, better than ever in fact!
Last edited by nicholas; 11-26-2008 at 07:48 PM.
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11-26-2008, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
Just had a quick look at the new automation lanes:
Love it!!!
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+1 yes it's great! It would be good to have this available as a default setting in Preferences .. or maybe it is and I just can't find it!
Last edited by nicholas; 11-26-2008 at 07:43 PM.
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11-26-2008, 07:55 PM
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Automation lines !!! woooooooooooooow!!
Yeeeeeeeeees indeed automations line are smoother and nicer! Thanx for this... now we're talking!!!! Bring it on Cockos & J!!!! Great job!!
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11-26-2008, 08:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
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+ Left/right edge adjustment snapping now respects X track-distances like moving
Anyone care to explain this?
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nofish,
thats an option in the Snap Settings window. it was broken, i had it set to 0 - but still snapped to every other item start/ends on other tracks - causing lot of unwanted mis-trims, off-grid trims (item starts), etc..
it snaps like a charm now - 0 means the trim edges only snap only to the items on the track im working on. (+ grid + edit cursor)
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=28813
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Last edited by beatbybit; 11-26-2008 at 08:32 PM.
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11-26-2008, 08:59 PM
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Great job!!
Drop down menu under the grid value in the midi editor seems to repeat a few times.
Little black dot does not appear beside beats for position length.
Nobody has mentioned that we now have preliminary true automated parameter trim!!!! Great!!!! I like the way it is implemented!!
Last edited by zappsunzorn; 11-26-2008 at 09:44 PM.
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11-26-2008, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bogo
Minor: I love the new splash screen but it's going out too fast. Is there a way to see it without restarting the app?
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yes that would be cool
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11-26-2008, 09:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zappsunzorn
Did the keyboard on the midi editor disappear? I just see numbers.
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Heh I was just noticing this too! It stays on numbers regardless here
Cheers
Jed
EDIT: I just noticed that its related to viewing only used rows. If you show all you can change to keys fine DOH!
Last edited by Jed; 11-26-2008 at 09:19 PM.
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11-26-2008, 09:50 PM
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For the automation lanes, could we have another box to select show in a separate lane when we hit the trm button.
Last edited by zappsunzorn; 11-26-2008 at 10:01 PM.
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11-26-2008, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jed
Heh I was just noticing this too! It stays on numbers regardless here
Cheers
Jed
EDIT: I just noticed that its related to viewing only used rows. If you show all you can change to keys fine DOH!
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I edited my original post because I needed to investigate this more. I tried to reproduce this and couldn't, thought it might just be user error.
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11-26-2008, 10:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zappsunzorn
For the automation lanes, could we have another box to select show in a separate lane when we hit the trm button.
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I was expecting an option right at the top of the context menu on the Automation Button. Even if there is no envelope yet, the automation lane could be displayed and ready for using the automation lane menu to add envelopes.
Also you have to be careful with the vertical zoom level, or all the automation lanes disappear. They should probably be remembered when the zoom level allow them to be visible.
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11-26-2008, 10:56 PM
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Just to inform anyone using the 'rightclick preference' in editing, you will need to DOUBLE rightclick on the envelope to get the menu, same as on items... just a temporary bug I presume.
Solo in front is still broken 2 subfolders deep or more, a reminder in case it was forgotten/not noted before (I know there was a lot of bugs in that list).
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11-26-2008, 11:34 PM
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11-27-2008, 02:14 AM
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Minor annoyance... could you make the piano roll keyboard graphics look a little less tilted? (the shadow/light on the black keys more centered)
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11-27-2008, 04:37 AM
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Big of all, thanks for all this new stuff
Second, I've been trying the new transparent features. They work nicely, now you can see better the borders of the item when they overlap.
my question is: could you make the new border clickable when we see it?
I mean, in this image you can clearly see the border which is above (left one, black border) and you can click and move the edge and the fade.
But if you want to tweak the other edge or fade (right one, no border) you have to previously move the other item out of the way, make your modifications and then return the other item where it was, a bit painful workflow.
Maybe there is another way of dealing with this and I am missing it, don't know.
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11-27-2008, 04:39 AM
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ups, how do you select the points when in a lane?
Last edited by Spyrow; 11-27-2008 at 04:55 AM.
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11-27-2008, 05:29 AM
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+1000
Please!
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11-27-2008, 05:46 AM
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selecting of envelopepoints in lanes with click and drag not possible here.
select one with clicking on it is ok.
little graphic bug in running cursor
http://www.screencast.com/users/kain...c-0b2ff93602c6
automationlanes are really really a great feature. would be cool to have them stay there after resizing the tracks all together.
and to have the option to get them as default (without sending each envelope to a lane)
Last edited by Kainer; 11-27-2008 at 07:53 AM.
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11-27-2008, 05:57 AM
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yay!
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Originally Posted by Fragile
v2.99.alpha.preview.2 - November 26 2008
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+ Added special case for arcDev ET-200 leaking huge amounts of RAM on stop (still leaks on samplerate changes)...
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holy crap! this is the bug i reported like a year ago! i'm so glad it's finally been worked on. my life hasn't been the same without et-200! thank you so so much!
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11-27-2008, 06:32 AM
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AUtomation nitpick
A minor nitpick. Wouldn't it be more logical to display the prefx volume and pan first (before post volume and pan) ?
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11-27-2008, 08:36 AM
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Not in the studio today, but can anyone confirm whether - with the introduction of lanes - envelope points now copy with items? This has been a major pain.
Thanks
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11-27-2008, 09:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
Just had a quick look at the new automation lanes:
Love it!!!
It's one thing I've been waiting for. Thanks a lot.
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what do you have to do see them? They look as always to me... :-/
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11-27-2008, 09:15 AM
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what do you have to do see them? They look as always to me... :-/
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The only way I see so far is to rightclick on an envelope, the option is all the way way down down to the bottom of the context menu.
I would think there would be a tick box in the automation dialog, and the option would be at the very top of the Automation Buttons context list, and a setting to default to automation lane when adding an envelope
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11-27-2008, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Zero
Not in the studio today, but can anyone confirm whether - with the introduction of lanes - envelope points now copy with items? This has been a major pain.
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No, they don't, sorry...If you're willing to settle for volume, pan and mute automation, you can try using the per-take envelopes which have been around since summer or so. Those will copy with the item when the item is copied.
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11-27-2008, 10:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenakios
No, they don't, sorry...If you're willing to settle for volume, pan and mute automation, you can try using the per-take envelopes which have been around since summer or so. Those will copy with the item when the item is copied.
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Sure, I know But this doesn't achieve what you want or need in a lot of cases. I'm hoping then that envelopes copying with items will come at some point soon...? It's been a glaring omission for a long time. If envelopes are being overhauled for 3.0, now seems like a great opportunity to get this in
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11-27-2008, 10:46 AM
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the "center-line" breaks the ENV line, where they are crossed:
can you see that there are no automation points?
this isnt just a graphic issue - the Automation follows the ENV line..
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11-27-2008, 11:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beatbybit
can you see that there are no automation points?
this isnt just a graphic issue - the Automation follows the ENV line..
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That's not new behavior (for fx envs where the knob center is not the same as the center of the param range) ... so we can discuss in the regular forums & not in the pre-release forum.
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11-27-2008, 11:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xackley
The only way I see so far is to rightclick on an envelope, the option is all the way way down down to the bottom of the context menu.
I would think there would be a tick box in the automation dialog, and the option would be at the very top of the Automation Buttons context list, and a setting to default to automation lane when adding an envelope
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Yep, rightclick on envelope point and choose "show envelope in lane" seems to be the only way so far.
As I'm sometimes doing projects with lots of automation on different parameters showing it all in one track tends to get messed up quickly.
Now having the new lanes everything stays clear and we can still choose the old system if we like.
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