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04-21-2017, 05:45 AM
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Crazy sh*t
Is this music, or is it a trainwreck? This is how I sound these days. I don't have the patience to arrange and polish and produce and whatever. This is what I can do. Is it listenable at all? I really like to know. Don't hold back. Thank you for listening.
https://soundcloud.com/jorgensandber...e-vad-som-hant
New version: https://soundcloud.com/jorgensandber...hant-version-2
Last edited by Jorgen; 04-22-2017 at 09:41 AM.
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04-21-2017, 06:36 AM
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What language is that? The vocal is shaky at times but I enjoyed the overall feel of the sound. It is definitely music man.. The guitars sound great.
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04-21-2017, 08:26 AM
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Hey, thanks! It's Swedish... about a mental breakdown. You're right, the voice cracks here and there, but that's just what it does now and then. Can't help it. Chasing a perfect take only makes me nervous.
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04-21-2017, 09:07 AM
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I only have my small speakers on: I hear lots of mid/high to high freqs (probably near 6-8K and then very high 15-20).
Sound like David Bowie having a mental breakdown in Swedish.
Note: regarding "chasing the perfect note"; one simple trick is to DUB the vocals (i.e. sing while listening to yourself). You can mix the two track together or keep the best one (or parts if you feel like working).
Having said that, if the song is about a mental breakdown, then the vocal are perfect just the way they are... Keep them bad-s*t crazy; like you're going breakdown on us...
Note2: A Swedish friend on mine told me that Swedish government (aka totalitarian socialist/neoc-ommunistic leftist brainwashing agency) was driving him crazy, pushing psychotic pills and fake mental diagnostics on him. I guess I would probably also have a mental breakdown if I was living there...
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04-21-2017, 02:26 PM
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The soundcloud picture might be a trainwreck...the track is definitely not. It's good music, and doesn't need polishing Jorgen. Sounds great just as it is, authentic and heartfelt. Well done
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04-21-2017, 03:10 PM
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I love it.
I'd really like to hear those vox with some additional and dramatic reverb and delays here and there. Make 'em swirly and slightly over-bearing like a mind gone mad.
Last edited by dug dog; 04-22-2017 at 02:21 AM.
Reason: clarification
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04-21-2017, 03:32 PM
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I'm on my fifth or sixth listen and keep turning it up.
Du förstår inte vad som hänt = You do not understand what happened.
My innate curiosity demands a full accounting but my recognition of music as the universal language advises against it.
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04-21-2017, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgen
.. This is what I can do. Is it listenable at all? I really like to know. Don't hold back.
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Jorgen, Jorgen, Jorgen you do like to pull our legs I think.
So my appraisal (rating against general pop/rock tracks of last 40 years commercial and non-commercial releases)
Sound/mix - 7/10 really good for VST drums layered production
Performance - 9/10 (that timing mess up at about 2:10 puts me off a litte, but so much good guitar playing and lovely vocal performance)
Songwriting - 11/10 This is why I said 'you like to pull our legs'. Even though I can't understand a word of Swedish, this song is genius.
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04-22-2017, 12:15 AM
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I really wanted to know if it's listenable. I posted it because I (sometimes) get a kick out of a new recording/song, but after a day or so I delete the whole thing. I've recorded this one many times, and it's never finished.
I'll look into that timing thing. Again, thanks a bunch.
(Edit -- also realized I ripped off Suede's "Trash" a bit. Hope they're okay with it.)
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04-22-2017, 12:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RDBOIS
Note2: A Swedish friend on mine told me that Swedish government (aka totalitarian socialist/neoc-ommunistic leftist brainwashing agency) was driving him crazy, pushing psychotic pills and fake mental diagnostics on him. I guess I would probably also have a mental breakdown if I was living there...
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Hahaha!
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04-22-2017, 12:44 AM
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I'll try to post some more songs -- I have loads. And I'm open for collaborations, have had very good experiences with reaper musicians. Would love to have some real bass and drums and whatever, really.
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04-22-2017, 03:46 AM
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Pretty good bass n drums anyways though, what vsti's are they?
Cool song.
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04-22-2017, 04:41 AM
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This kind of music shouldn't be 'slick' production wise.
The shaky voice gave the song a more sensitive touch (most of the time
I liked it. Maybe some variation in the arrangement.
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04-22-2017, 06:12 AM
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The song itself is so good you wouldn't really care about much else--unless some noticeable extreme--and there's nothing "bad" about the recording in the first place.
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04-22-2017, 09:29 AM
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Morgon, the drums are Magix Independence Free -- that rompler is a must have, imo. I found the bass and electric piano on George Yohn's website, famous for his Limiter 1. Funny thing, the vsti's have no controls for anything, but I really like the sound.
msundh, thanks, you have a point. Naturally, I listened back today and only heard a lot of high end... so I redid a couple of things, and also changed some things in the arrangement.
Sammy, thanks, glad you liked the song. I'll put up the new version soon. I really tried to let it go and be done with it.
Edit: updated my first post with new version. Here it is: https://soundcloud.com/jorgensandber...hant-version-2
Last edited by Jorgen; 04-22-2017 at 09:43 AM.
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04-22-2017, 02:15 PM
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Some great ideas in the v2, but the additional processing ( heavy mixing) ruined the feeling that v1 has.
Too much reverb in the beginning. Overall too much processing in v2.
The thing you did i the beginning in v2 should be placed in the middle, last half.
Take some of the new ideas in v2 and put them less processed in v1.
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04-22-2017, 03:21 PM
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Well if this is a trainwreck you'd better post up some of your good stuff. I think msundh pretty well nailed it for me re version 2. Good stuff.
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04-22-2017, 05:23 PM
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I like the v2 mix, the vocals are smoother with that EQ and balance.
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04-22-2017, 06:11 PM
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I did not listen to version 1 but v2 sounds great. I would look into widening the strumming accoustic alittle, it seems to come at me from slightly left, at 10:00 and seems there is little to balance it at 2:00.
The production is awesome and I am jealous of the bass. Great tone.
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04-22-2017, 06:39 PM
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Do listen to v1 (it's in the OP)
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04-23-2017, 01:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by msundh
Do listen to v1 (it's in the OP)
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Alright, I'll have to do it myself. Thanks for your points and advice. Really appreciate it.
And thanks everybody for your comments.
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04-23-2017, 02:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgen
Morgon, the drums are Magix Independence Free -- that rompler is a must have, imo.
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I made moves to get Independence Free but think I need the main rig hooked to the net. It's a custom install, no browser, no AV, I tried to figure a workaround but exceeded my 7 second attention span...
I'm ok for drumkits anyway but as Suli has said, "one can never have too many drum vsti's" or something like that. Actually I made a hybrid kit from SM toms, Kontakt funk kick and Vinnie Abbott [Pantera] snare samples. Sounds pretty good imo, might post a demo later.
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04-23-2017, 03:13 AM
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04-23-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by morgon
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Yeah, cool. Which sampler? Back in the day, when I used Logic, I built a pretty good GM kit in the EXS 24 sampler. Only sampler I've had the patience to learn. In fact, I really miss that kit. I still got the samples. I've downloaded some free samplers, maybe I rebuild it one day.
Also, I sampled my bass (gone now) and that was dead easy. As it happened, those samples sounded really good with the drums, best sampled bass I ever had. I still have those samples too, somewhere. So, in those days, bass and drums were a mighty 30 meg in total. No layers, no nothing. And they sounded absolutely fab.
Last edited by Jorgen; 04-23-2017 at 01:41 PM.
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05-02-2017, 02:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorgen
Yeah, cool. Which sampler?
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Sorry, missed this, it's's that TX16wx thing, free version. Sometimes it auto arranges the samples pretty good if there's enough info contained in them, [ using the correct switches at the top of samples/keyboard window ] -sometimes rearrangements are necessary. Often gotta bulk select the samples once they're in place and turn up the release dial so the note/hit can sound out properly etc. Bit of a learning curve to that sampler, used to crash Reaper sometimes but not for a while now, dunno what changed, Reaper or TX16wx, or maybe I stopped trying to tweak it in realtime or something, anyways works pretty good in Reaper 5.25
On a couple of kits I've compiled recently there's three different samplers for various drum voices, not hard to set up but a bit more so that it will audition MIDI drums through Media Explorer.
I might post some more drums/bass setups that use only free stuff soon and the templates if anyone's interested.
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05-03-2017, 11:50 PM
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I might post some more drums/bass setups that use only free stuff soon and the templates if anyone's interested.
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Sure, do it. I have the TX16wx too. Haven't looked into it that much yet, but will do.
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07-21-2018, 02:05 PM
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Hey Jorgen:
I just went to give this a spin on Soundcloud and was disappointed to find that you've recently taken it down. I listened a couple times shortly after you posted your Scarborough Fair cover and still really like the first mix of the tune.
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07-22-2018, 07:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dug dog
Hey Jorgen:
I just went to give this a spin on Soundcloud and was disappointed to find that you've recently taken it down. I listened a couple times shortly after you posted your Scarborough Fair cover and still really like the first mix of the tune.
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Yeah, where'd it go. I wouldn't be afraid of doing something a bit weird, or even a bit avant-garde? Ever listen to Yoko Ono? Or Weasel Walter? Out there!
Post something again so we can check it out.
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