Old 02-18-2017, 10:35 AM   #1
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v5.40pre2a - February 18 2017
# Actions: when envelopes move with media items, "cut/copy selected area of items" and smart cut/copy actions apply to the entire envelope section within the time selection
# Automation items: better handling when moving/copying automation items with media items when automation items or media items are overlapping
# Automation items: fix undo after delete
# Automation items: handle "draw a copy" mouse modifier just like the similar media item mouse modifier with respect to snapping and changing direction
# Automation items: update display after copying automation items with project region
# Envelopes: fix not being able to activate non-FX envelopes [p=1804445]

v5.40pre2 - February 18 2017
+ Envelopes: prevent possible crash when clearing envelope while envelope list is open [t=188055]
+ Heal splits: fix potential crash when healing take automation [t=187901]
# Automation items: delete item when deleting all points in the item
# Automation items: fix copy/pasting with media items when automation item has custom start offset and/or rate
# Automation items: handle moving/copying regions, inserting/removing project time
# Automation items: improve behavior when moving, copying, duplicating on beat-based track
# Automation items: refresh drawing after loading project (to account for tempo changes)
# Automation items: split items if necessary when moving with media items
# Automation items: when moving automation items with media items, respect the time selection if the media item is within it
# Envelopes: fix customized menus being forgotten [p=1802372]
# Snap: improve behavior when adjusting a cut point and only one item is selected
# fix grid line option on macOS [p=1803485]
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Thank you Schwa and Justin. Very good fixings.

one small redraw issue I think. Moving regions is ok. Copying a region by CTRL+dragging it copies the Automation items, but the automation items are like empty (redraw issue?). Because then if I move this new region or move one of these copied automation items it is redrawn correctly.
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When creating an automation item by ALT+dragging:
It seems it snaps to some grids lines that are not visible when they are hidden at some zoom level. For example set a 1/4 grid lines, but zoom out so only the 1/1 grid lines are visible, I expect the automation item to be snapping to the 1/1 lines(the visible ones) This would be like when creating normal items by CTRL+drag(mouse modifierraw a copy of selected media item).
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:35 PM   #7
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# Automation items: split items if necessary when moving with media items
# Automation items: when moving automation items with media items, respect the time selection if the media item is within it

Finding some interesting things going on with media item ctrl-drag vs copy and paste...




Overview: Item on left split into four with xfades, one AI below. Ctrl-dragged to middle (without T-sel) and right (with T-sel).






(Ctrl-drag) Close up of split in central block with xfade and resultant AI. These happen at all xfades, though visual stacking seems to depend on zoom level.






Ctrl-dragged with time selection produced 15 copies of the single AI.







This shows the result of later copy-pasting the same left hand item-block with or without time selection (overlap at xfade). No 15 AIs with t-sel.




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Finding some interesting things going on with media item ctrl-drag vs copy and paste...
Fixing, thanks for the detailed report!
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Fixing, thanks for the detailed report!
Just a couple of things still...especially with something like a comped vocal split into lots of items, with a big AI underneath it...

1. Ctrl-Drag properly copies Items and AI, without disrupting track automation.


2. Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V creates edgepoints surrounding the AI, which destroys the continuity of the underlying track automation.


3. Ctrl-Shift-C/Ctrl-V (smart copy) I would have expected the AI (within time selection) to be copied whole but instead it's pasted in the same segmented (and broken) way as #2.


Schwa it's soo close!!! But yeah these issues break things currently
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When creating an automation item by ALT+dragging ...
Do you mean Ctrl Alt Drag? Alt drag is supposed, I think, to move contents of existing AI, not create new one?
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anyone having an issue showing volume automation envelope or any envelope for that matter?

track automation seems broken, vst automation still seems to work.

also, what's this about moving automation items with media items? can't figure it out.
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anyone having an issue showing volume automation envelope or any envelope for that matter?
track automation seems broken, vst automation still seems to work.
Same here, track envelopes won't open/show up, FX automation will. Old projects will show the track envelopes which were there but cannot add any new ones in there either. Reaper x64, Win10.
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?? not seeing that at all. What specifically is failing?

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It works only when toggling the envelope visible with action everytime I add a new envelope. I don't recall having to do that earlier with new envelopes, only with the ones already created and then hidden.
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How are you adding envelopes? It would be very helpful to have a screencap of what isn't working the way you expect.
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Ok, here's a new project and a new track where I try to add couple of new track envelopes. Nothing seems to do the trick though. In this case even the toggle envelope visible action doesn't work (used several times around 0:16).

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Hm, OK thanks. [edit] 5.40pre2a is up now and should fix this.

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small visual niggle ...never seen it previously:

make a single track, put a blank midi item on it...
zoom way in while playing and I see the play cursor get very strange... jerky and sort of a strobing in that there are several of the play cursor lines showing

this does not happen if you zoom out enough...

and it is more pronounced on our new system with the big 43 in Dell hi rez monitor...

pretty sure it's not the video card as it can handle a lot of work...

EDIT: well it's my fault. not reaper's.... learned I can't use the HDMI port of the vid card ..it produces the bad play cursor stuff but the display port works fine and the play cursor looks as it should... live and learn
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Hi,

One strange thing and a bug in regular Items' automations curves (not AI) since 5.34 :
- the lower value is no more at the bottom of the item but there is a gap, even wider in 5.40 than in 5.34
- when splitting an item the point that is added at the begining of the second half is not the current value as it must be (and has up to 5.33) but the last previous point's value, resulting in a jump.

Here volume but the same for every FX parameter :

Up to 5.33 :



In 5.40 :

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Probably not a priority being display rather than functional, but for informtion there is still a tooltip bug on envelope points in AIs. This is not apparent in vanilla track envelope points. Similar to this report in 5.34 Pre6, but more consistent, all points now seem to show a previous track envelope value





This shows that on the vanilla track envelope before the AI, line and point tooltip values (freq and timeline) seem correct, but...

For the AI envelope, the connecting line tooltip values seems correct, but not the point tooltip values. They actually reflect a point on the track evelope some 20 bars back. Clicking on the point momentarily shows the correct freq and timeline values.


This is a ReaEQ band frequency envelope, but the behaviour is the same on "volume" envelopes, etc.




Edit: testing Ctrl-drag and copy-paste AI follow MIs functionality seems much better in Pre2a.




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Default Seems to be no way yet to copy an item as well as just one envelope lane.

Hopefully I'm wrong or this is coming at some point but..

When there's multiple lanes of automation (both with and without AIs) and there's an audio item encompassing them.

There seems to be no way to just move that audio item and only one selected lane of automation (rather than all of the lanes)

I was hoping that if you have all envelope items off (the tool bar button in the top left) then you should eventually be able to select the normal audio item, and say 1 or 2 AIs (but not all of them) and then move/copy the audio item and ONLY take the selected AIs with you.

The reason why is because you might have some AIs doing repeated LFO style automation whilst also have say a volume curve fading up or changing for verse to chorus that you DON'T want to also copy/move or edit.

For instance, in the image below. Say I want to copy/double up only the audio item and AI 1 so that they are repeated again but not copy or move AI 2 at the same time (or even the top Envelope nearest the item either).

Can we do this yet? I think this is going to come up a lot.

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Default AI - extra env points after lfo - offset - glue

AI adds unnecessary envelope points after offsetting / glueing:
Add AI
Parametric LFO
Reduce Amplitude to 50
Offset LFO
Glue



Additionally, the AI Properties window doesn't remember it's last opened position, it always opens in a top-left-of-window position

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Do you mean Ctrl Alt Drag? Alt drag is supposed, I think, to move contents of existing AI, not create new one?
Alt drag works for me to create automation items like with a pencil. Do it on a lane where there is no AI. What I was reporting has been fixed now in pre2a. Thanks schwa!
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Can someone (on OSX), please try to replicate this issue i have:

Situation:

An Automation Item, on it's own Lane, containing some drawed envelope points.

No run the Action "SWS/wol: Adjust envelope or track height under mouse cursor (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)", when mouse pointed on the Lane.
(assigned to mousewheel)

Outcome:

The envelope points are all deleted

And then:

- Draw some envelope points into the Automation Item.
No run the Action "SWS/wol: Adjust envelope or track height under mouse cursor (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)", when mouse pointed on the Lane.
((assigned to mousewheel).

Outcome:

The envelope points are not deleted, the Automation Item stays intact.

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Can someone (on OSX), please try to replicate this issue i have:

Situation:

An Automation Item, on it's own Lane, containing some drawed envelope points.

No run the Action "SWS/wol: Adjust envelope or track height under mouse cursor (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)", when mouse pointed on the Lane.
(assigned to mousewheel)

Outcome:

The envelope points are all deleted

And then:

- Draw some envelope points into the Automation Item.
No run the Action "SWS/wol: Adjust envelope or track height under mouse cursor (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)", when mouse pointed on the Lane.
((assigned to mousewheel).

Outcome:

The envelope points are not deleted, the Automation Item stays intact.

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Future videos about Automation items? Per parameter and such how it works would be cool to see .
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# Envelopes: fix not being able to activate non-FX envelopes [p=1804445]
Works fine now, thanks for the fix.

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edit: A redundant envelope point is created and left over at the right edge of the new automation item if
a) the automation item is created on top of unedited part of underlying envelope AND
b) there are no further envelope points or automation items to the right


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Thank you for the AI fixes.

One thing that's really frustrating, which robu_23 mentioned above, is that the AI properties dialog doesn't remember it's last opened position.
Can this pleased be added?
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Small FR for better usability: http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=119

Another FR: could we please have new actions for selecting/deleting all the points inside selected AI?

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A bug:
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1. A big glue bug (glueing one item)
2. Reaper renames AIs after glueing to "1"(almost always).
3. The more overlapping AIs, the more difference in height on the bottom of AI.
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Incorrect behaviour:
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Deleting points bug:

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Extra point at the same position as the marginal AI point(not always - watch the video):

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A strange bug with inserting points on overlapping AIs:

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Dear Cockos,

Would be amazing if this would somehow be implemented eventually, regarding AI:

Situation:

- select an Item.
- Open a FX plugin, which is on the Item's Track.
- Tweak a FX parameter in that FX plugin.

Outcome:

Instantly, an AI is created for that FX parameter, with the length of the Item.

Maybe this could be implemented as an Option in Options menu.
Or another way: making it an Action, so we can execute that Action, after
tweaking the FX parameter.

I tried to make a Custom Action for this but i get stuck in it,
cause it seems totally impossible to me, to have an envelope lane automatically be
selected, after using one of the "..envelope lane for last touched parameter.." actions.
Cause when the created FX paramter envelope would be automatically selected, we could ofcourse then apply the "insert automation item" action...
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Dear TonE,

Many thanks for your help !

I am aware of the Action "select next envelope" ; i discovered it today.
I tested it in my Custom Action.
It indeed works for the first plugin parameter i tweak.
But then, if i tweak a second plugin parameter, things go wrong:
The previous tweaked FX parameter envelope is selected again by this Action.
That's undesirable behaviour

I really can't believe that there is no "native" solution that just selects the parameter envelope that has just been created.
Seems so obvious for me that this would be 100% logical behaviour in the first place.
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I have an example there, if you use exact same technique, it will work always. I try to create my custom actions in such a way, that they will work ALWAYS, e.g. jumping over problems like you mention. That is why you have to hide all envelopes first. The only existing will be the touched envelope. Simple.
Could you please show me this example ?
Would help if you show me the sequence of Actions u use to accomplish what u state.
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Probably bug,but you cannot create new AI if mouse cursor is outside selected area :


Found out like this:
With script in front it additionally needs edit cursor also to be in selection:
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Envelope Items: action "Reduce number of points" isnt work
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confusing change of row while moving AI:



struggling to create AI via ALT+drag
it seems it only works when the mouse is over the first row.
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Indeed. Seems v5.40 updates are finally something really useful and needed. Let's hope for the least number of regressions possible!
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