Old 10-10-2012, 07:53 PM   #1
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Is there a way to use the Take Lanes in Reaper as a Looper type device? or another way to do this in Reaper?

I would guess if I can just have the audio from all the takes play as I loop record on one track instead of auto muting them as I go this would work. cant find a option for it yet.

Tried to do this with audio in Live and cannot figure out how to do this with audio. I can use looper but I end up with one track full of overdubs or just one track and cannot separate each take.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:11 PM   #2
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There's this thread,but the last post was a year ago :
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...=reaper+looper


There's also Mobius VST which is free and highly rated by some,but I found to be not very user friendly for what I need.


When you say Live I take it you mean Ableton Live?

You can record audio in Ableton into clip slots without using Looper - the clips will be seperate,but sync-able

What you can't do in Ableton is set the loop length before recording audio (into clips).
You have to do that on the fly - but you can set quantisation up so that (after pressing a midi pedal/switch) it waits until the end of the bar before closing the loop.[you can vary the amount of bars it "waits" for].

You can then play them back synchronised or unsynchronised.
It can be set up with one or more input tracks recording to multiple clip slots on other tracks.


What exactly are you trying to do?


P.S. - I can go into detail about setting it up in Ableton if you're interested.

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:54 PM   #3
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Thank you so much for the info! what I would like to do is use the take lanes as a looper. is there a way to set reaper to not mute the takes while recording? or even better for clipping.. as soon as it records a loop on track one it auto records on track two and so on?

thanks for the live tips! will try that if I cant get reaper to do what I want.

Thanks!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:06 PM   #4
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I don't know about muting takes - maybe someone else can answer that.

The thread I linked to discusses auto track-changing as far as I remember.

As I said,it depends on exactly what you hope to achieve.

If Reaper could work well as a looper,I wouldn't have bought Ableton.

Once you start looping (unless it's for something specific and limited) - you'll probably find you need just one last feature to make your life perfect!

That's what I found anyway!

Again,it all depends on what you're hoping to do.

Good luck
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:05 AM   #5
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P.S. - I can go into detail about setting it up in Ableton if you're interested.
I would very much appreciate if you could go into detail about setting Ableton Live as a live looper the way you describe it.

Cheers!!

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:13 AM   #6
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what I am looking for is a way to record take lanes on one track and every take it "plays" all the previous takes while I keep layering.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:24 AM   #7
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Try Mobius as mentioned.

I use Reaper for my guitar rig and I loop stuff. I'm using Mobius right now. You can assign anything to MIDI controls. I think you can do up to 16 tracks - at least 8. Plus layering on a track and so on.
TIP: Send Mobius' track outputs to Reaper tracks. Now you can produce your tracks in Reaper how ever you want as well as record multitrack. And of course, Reaper is fully MIDI controllable so you can build very hands on controls for your live needs.

If I recall, when I tried out Ableton Crash it actually forced you to play to a predetermined tempo. Which made it useless to me for looping. Machines play to me, not the other way around!
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:27 AM   #8
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I would very much appreciate if you could go into detail about setting Ableton Live as a live looper the way you describe it.

Cheers!!
The basic idea is set out in the video link below.
If there's anything you don't understand; or if it won't work for your setup,or you have any questions etc,
send me a PM and I'll go through the options you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...REIVIJ0#t=268s
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The basic idea is set out in the video link below.
If there's anything you don't understand; or if it won't work for your setup,or you have any questions etc,
send me a PM and I'll go through the options you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...REIVIJ0#t=268s
Thank you very much. I'll follow the video and contact you if any question comes.

Cheers!!
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:40 AM   #10
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If I recall, when I tried out Ableton Crash it actually forced you to play to a predetermined tempo. Which made it useless to me for looping. Machines play to me, not the other way around!
No,in fact "Set and follow Tempo" is one of the basic controls of LOOPER in Ableton.

You can start off your tune by playing a phrase into LOOPER.
Ableton will work out tempo information from your original loop.
You can then record into clips which sync to the original LOOPER track.
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I've yet to find a looping software that's perfect.

I tried Mobius,and I'm going to have another look tomorrow.
I'd love to use Reaper and Mobius as a live looper.

It's obviously a deep program,and lots of people seem to love it.
To me,the interface is isn't user friendly.

Ableton is integrated with controllers like the Akai APC40 where you have two way communication,all the bascic controls (volume sliders;REC enable;solo;mute;send/return level;start/stop of individual clips or whole project;jump from one bank of loops to a completely different bank;and updated visual feedback as to what's going on;control of VST parameters etc.


What I'd like to know about Mobius:

*Can I run,say, 8 loops with send/returns

*Can I then jump in sync to a second bank of 8 blank loops,and record into them?

*Then,at the end point of my second 8 loops > jump back to the first set of 8 loops which will play in sync from their start point?

*Can you sync Mobius to START/STOP in sync to drum software or audio/MIDI drum loops running in Reaper - or the other way round?

That would be the basic requirements for my style of playing,and that's what's so easy in Ableton.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:09 PM   #11
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this works! "I'm not at my audio computer at the moment, but i believe there is an option in Prefs/ Audio / Loop Recording to add recorded media @ each loop that should do what you want to do. There is also the option to "monitor media while recording" when you right-click on the track record button. "

Thanks Billy!
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:04 AM   #12
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ugh.. it works "sometimes" other times it works for 2-4 loops and then randomly mutes lanes til they are all muted.
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #13
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had some time off. going to dive back into this.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:56 AM   #14
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Here's a clip I did recently using a lot of the functionality described in some of these posts:

http://youtu.be/Eq2lSR7-rME

Sorry the screen is difficult to see, I actually had a screen recorder going as well, but for some reason it decided to glitch out while recording two screens at once so I couldn't use it in the final edit...

But basically, Reaper and Mobius work extremely well together.

First, if you simply right click on the track section next to the main timeline, do "Insert virtual instrument on new track," select mobius, and reaper will automatically have one track as the mobius host track, which will be set to receive and record midi data, and an additional 8 stereo (I have not experimented with mono yet) tracks added that will receive the output from whatever plays through the 8 individual loopers that are default in mobius.

So then from there, you set whatever track you want to record audio from to send to the Mobius vst track, then select one of the 8 stereo pairs to send it to for the individual loopers (think they default to stereo pair 1/2, so if you don't seperate each input, it will send to only the first looper in Mobius).

Also, it is important to note that until the loop is complete, Mobius will not output sound to the channels, this is because it outputs the playback only (as far as I can figure anyway). So, to solve this, for live recording purposes, the tracks used for inputs that I routed to the loopers in Mobius, I also routed them directly to the outputs that Reaper created for Mobius and then disabled the master/parent sends on all of the tracks so they only output through the Mobius outputs. This way, those tracks set to record will record the input from the individual tracks, as well as their respective loops from Mobius.

Actually, if you notice in the video, right after I finish recording guitar, I mute it using a button on my nanokontrol midi controller, because it is the only instrument using a condenser mic, and since the sound is still being routed to the same output as the looper, the ambient noise from the room was messing up the mix...I'm sure that could probably be automated in some way, too

But in Mobius, instead of using a "stop loop" function, it "mutes" the loops, so it's continuously playing, just not outputing sound, you can tell on the tiny screen, the loops are in blue when I mute them. I believe there is a way to quantize the muting and unmuting, or I know there is, but I haven't experimented with it yet.

Speaking of quantization, I'm using reaper as Master tempo, and Mobius as the slave, set the tempo or sync to "Host," and set the clips so that they do not begin recording, or stop recording until the beginning and ending of measures (cycles), respectively.

Hope this description and video help some people out who stumble across it

And just so you know, everything in mobius is easily midi assignable and mappable once you get the hang of it...you just might run out of buttons to assign after a while...so yeah, keep it simple when possible, because it can get way to complex if you keep going down that rabbit hole..it's got me looking into scripting... =X
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