Different sets of Note Names

DarkStar · 02-23-2008, 03:19 PM

It would be very useful to be able to select the set of note names to be displayed in the MIDI editor.
The current set is C Db D Eb E F F# G G# A Bb B, a mix of flats and sharps

Other useful sets would be:
"UK sharp note names":____________C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B
"UK flat note names":______________C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb B
"Northern Europe sharp note names":_C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais H
"Northern Europe flat note names":___C Des D Es E F Ges G As A B H
"BE/NL sharp note names":__________C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais B
"BE/NL flat note names":____________C Des D Es E F Ges G As A Bes B
"Danish sharp note names":__________C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais H
"Danish flat note names":____________C Des D Es E F Ges G As A B H
"Romance sharp note names":________do do# re re# mi fa fa# so so# la la# ti
"Romance flat note names":__________do reb re mib mi fa sob so lab la tib ti

My apologies for any errors made in translation. Please let me know where I have gone wrong.

So we would have:
a) a Preference for a default set
b) the ability to select a different set in the MIDI Editor for a clip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dstruct

Put into the tracker: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1447

nofish · 06-02-2008, 02:07 PM

+1
and some lovely words for the forum big brother telling me "+1" is too short

dumant · 06-02-2008, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkStar

It would be very usful to be able to select the set of note names to be displayed in the MIDI editor.
The current set is C Db D Eb E F F# G G# A Bb B, a mix of flats and sharps

Other useful sets would be:
"UK sharp note names":____________C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B
"UK flat note names":______________C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb B
"Northern Europe sharp note names":_C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais H
"Northern Europe flat note names":___C Des D Es E F Ges G As A B H
"BE/NL sharp note names":__________C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais B
"BE/NL flat note names":____________C Des D Es E F Ges G As A Bes B
"Danish sharp note names":__________C Cis D Dis E F Fis G Gis A Ais H
"Danish flat note names":____________C Des D Es E F Ges G As A B H
"Romance sharp note names":________do do# re re# mi fa fa# so so# la la# ti
"Romance flat note names":__________do reb re mib mi fa sob so lab la tib ti

My apologies for any errors made in translation. Please let me know where I have gone wrong.

So we would have:
a) a Preference for a default set
b) the ability to select a different set in the MIDI Editor for a clip.

Just some typos (and accents added):
"Romance sharp note names":________do do# ré ré# mi fa fa# sol sol# la la# si
"Romance flat note names":__________do réb ré mib mi fa solb sol lab la sib si

carbon · 06-03-2008, 12:58 AM

(Right now you can use Schwa's note namer plugin to use whatever names you want).

EDIT: Nevermind

Spyrow · 08-12-2008, 03:04 AM

+1 to this. It's a bit annoying to work with mixed randomly flat and sharp names for the notes.

Anyway I will check the schwa plugin for names.

Spyrow · 08-12-2008, 03:16 AM

upssss, I just read this:

Update July 2008: This plugin still works, but is obsolete in Reaper, because Reaper now lets you edit MIDI note names individually (double-right-click the note in the MIDI editor) or in bulk (MIDI editor file -> load note names from file).

Spyrow · 08-12-2008, 03:26 AM

Ok, back again. I would like to have the possibility of seeing the correct names I choose (all sharp or all flat) but in the "piano roll" too, not only in the "named notes" editor. Watching the black-white keys is usefull too.
So, please make the notes follow the names in the piano roll too!

Spyrow · 09-24-2008, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrow

So, please make the notes follow the names in the piano roll too!

I am seeing now the note names in the piano roll too! Or YOU DID IT and you didn't write it in the "what's new" or I missed anything when checking it for the first time.
Anyway, BIG THANKS COCKOS!!

Dstruct · 10-09-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkStar

"UK sharp note names":____________C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B

+1 for this as default mode. the current mode is confusing!

Dstruct · 10-09-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkStar

"UK sharp note names":____________C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B

+1 for this as default mode. the current mixed mode is confusing³!

DarkStar · 10-20-2008, 04:38 AM

... bumporama ...

DarkStar · 05-20-2009, 04:55 AM

To show these for the piano roll view and in the note names ...

whole lotta love ?

EvilDragon · 11-02-2009, 09:56 AM

Most definitely +1000000!

Dstruct · 11-02-2009, 10:21 AM

Put into the tracker: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1447

EvilDragon · 11-02-2009, 10:23 AM

To me this gets deeper:

now Reaper should be able to define the PROJECT KEY SIGNATURE! And of course changing key signature mid-project should be available too - making changes to all note names depending on the location in the project!

How about that, people?

Amazed · 11-10-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrow

Ok, back again. I would like to have the possibility of seeing the correct names I choose (all sharp or all flat) but in the "piano roll" too, not only in the "named notes" editor. Watching the black-white keys is useful too.
So, please make the notes follow the names in the piano roll too!

I thought this was determined by key. You don't have mixed sharps and flats in a scale for the reason that they are determined by key I thought. Does a reaper project not have a key?

EvilDragon · 11-10-2009, 09:53 AM

Nope, not yet.

DarkStar · 11-10-2009, 10:00 AM

Even if it did, it still needs to support alternative sets of note names.

Go vote on the Issue:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1447

DarkStar · 05-05-2010, 01:24 PM

... the black notes are now named as sharp notes, in v3.51

Dstruct · 05-05-2010, 01:38 PM

Cool!

Susan G · 05-05-2010, 02:38 PM

Voted.

Please see also this thread re an Option or toggle to show/hide the original note names and numbers in parentheses (image included):

http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...85&postcount=1

Thanks-

-Susan

hopi · 05-05-2010, 03:48 PM

well, can't do what ED wants, diff key's for diff project parts.. well maybe you can really since if a midi part is unique, you can load whatever text file of note names you want for that part in the midi editor for it...

but as far as the note names... I make the text files for them, either via a text edior or right on the midi editor keys [on the keyboard or not] and save it with an appropriate name..

Now I can name my notes in those text files whatever... you want A# fine... you prefer Bb fine also... it's your choice... you can name it anything which I do for drum map text files... like HiHatEdge or HiHatCntr, etc.
I work on Windows, so you can also use a few special characters if you like...you will need to call up Charmap.exe [in the sys32 folder] to get to those... just select the character, copy and paste it to the note name..

Now about how note name show up in the midi editor on the acutal notes...

Whatever name you have used in your text file will show up on the note first, preceeded by the velocity value number and followed in () by the default reaper note name.... so it might read like this:

122 Eb2 (D#2)

So, what the heck, read yours first and just don't pay attention the default.... or maybe I'm not understanding something????

PS ...actually, if you don't have the piano keyboard showing, but do have show note names turned on you will only see the names provided by your own text file...

Susan G · 05-05-2010, 04:00 PM

Hi hopi-

Quote:

Originally Posted by hopi

So, what the heck, read yours first and just don't pay attention the default.... or maybe I'm not understanding something????

Right, I've edited note name files, and the keyboard looks fine for me (I happen to prefer no numbers, so I edited those out.)

When it comes to the notes, though, there's too much information, IMO, and we don't yet have any control over that. Yes, I can ignore it

, but especially with a dense note grid it gets very cluttered and doesn't serve a useful purpose. The pic in the link I gave doesn't show that well, but imagine lots more notes with a tighter zoom...

BTW, I think being able to see the actual note names can be helpful with a map for something like RealStrat that uses key zones, or drums, as you said. I just think we should have the option to turn the note names and numbers in parens off.

Bottom line: more customization options for note maps!

-Susan

krahosk · 05-06-2010, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

To me this gets deeper:

now Reaper should be able to define the PROJECT KEY SIGNATURE! And of course changing key signature mid-project should be available too - making changes to all note names depending on the location in the project!

How about that, people?

Yes - useful feature.

hopi · 05-06-2010, 05:53 PM

Hi Susan... yes, I'm always wishing for more features and they do seem to come along by and by.... I guess Cockos must have some serious priorities to deal with....

I'm not sure if you know you can get rid ot the names in ( ) when you get rid of the piano key view....? It would be nice though to have the option to keep the key and lose the (names)... I agree....

One thing not really mentioned that got changed in the newest updates is how reaper saves the note name and numbers to a text file now.... It used to do that with 127 at the bottom and 0 at the top... bass akwards to everyone else... I requested that they change it and they agreeded heartily... now 0 is at the bottom and 127 at the top.... to me this is a big help since I'm often making drum maps from a jpeg or pdf that shows the drum layout.... with this change I don't have to stand on my head anymore which was really NUTZ!

...so on it goes...

DarkStar · 08-11-2010, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adXok, in another thread

Yes. Good idea but may I explain mine:
From Medival times notes (so called piano-diatonic keys) has their own names:
D, R, M, F, S, L, T (any alphabet ordering is exeption, special case).
I call the black keys as follows:
B, N, G, V, H (B being between Do and Re and so on for the others).

These ♯ ♭ ♮ are too old in a way of musical thinking (or maybe for my mind)
An alphabet order for the scale-steps is meaningless (at least for me).

That's from Sofia, Bulgaria.

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