Why Linux Sucks

[StepOne]

Now this is the way you discuss Linux shortcomings in a positive and productive manner. This guy does a great job cutting through the BS and giving a great presentation that everyone can understand…even when he was having problems of his own during the presentation.

2nd video down:

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/

[Shan]

Ha! I've been listening to the Linux Action show for years. Glad they brought the big show back after some down time. Cheers to Chris and Bryan for bringing their Linux geekness to the masses.

"This week...on the Linux ACTION SHOOOOOOW......" My week isnt the same without hearing those opening lines.

Shane

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by StepOne

2nd video down:

http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/

Brilliant! Brilliant! brilliant! This guy address exactly the reason i'm staying away (and so are everyone else I know except for one guy) from linux.

Summary for those who didnt watch the video :

1). Current linux for desktop sucks
2). Standardization and making linux commercially viable for other developers to port their apps to linux are good solutions to problem 1).

Microsoft rules. Honestly. I don't give a shit if it costs an arm and a leg. Fuck the trouble i have to go through to get openoffice to work as good as word in linux. what i need is microsoft word in linux. THEN i'll use linux.

I have vista fresh install in my laptop running internet explorer. Nada problems. zero, zilch, nothing. worked right out of the box. could watch video, sound, open pdf files all outta the box. updating my wireless and video drivers took all of 10minutes and it works RIGHT OUT OF THE FUCKING BOX.

if linux was like that, I'll consider switching. Right now Vista > Linux, and if you disagree you're a total tool.

[NoiseMan]

I was about to write a reply to this, where I wanted to talk about my +5 years experience with Linux as a desktop alternative in a professional environment. I wanted to talk about our company (30 people) that have their desktop system work exclusively under Linux and wouldn't go back to MS products even if you paid them money for it. I also wanted to talk about governments and NGOs that are more than happy to be able to use desktop systems that are free, stable and work even on older computers.

Then I read this:

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

Right now Vista > Linux, and if you disagree you're a total tool.

And I then thought it would probably be pointless anyway.

[daverich]

Originally Posted by NoiseMan

I was about to write a reply to this, where I wanted to talk about my +5 years experience with Linux as a desktop alternative in a professional environment. I wanted to talk about our company (30 people) that have their desktop system work exclusively under Linux and wouldn't go back to MS products even if you paid them money for it. I also wanted to talk about governments and NGOs that are more than happy to be able to use desktop systems that are free, stable and work even on older computers.

Then I read this:



And I then thought it would probably be pointless anyway.

+1.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[lemmy]

I'm reading this on my S10e netbook (which I don't use for music) running Ubuntu Netbook Remix (Jaunty).
It has been an excellent out of the box experience. Faster than XP, automatically set up my printer when I plugged it in, really good wireless support, etc. etc. Open Office 3 is good.
I think the Ubuntu team are closing in on something good... This is the best linux experience I've had so far.
Oh and Spotify works seamlessly in Wine. Perfect.

[ivansc]

I was given a laptop with a broken install of Vista on it.
I wiped the hard drive and put a fresh legal install on.
It failed miserably to find the wireless port and a couple of other gadgets, till I took it via a network connection to a number of driver sites to find the appropriate bits of software.
In the end I gave up on it & thought I`d install hardy heron for a laugh. Note I am NOT a linux geek.

HH went on with no fuss and found my wifi connection etc with no prompting from me.
I was up and running with zero effort on my part, including Open Orifice etc.

Now I have to say I am still banging my head when it comes to Linux audio/daw/seuqencers, but in terms of the basic package Ubuntu really does seem to have something special going here.

[jax]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

I have vista fresh install in my laptop running internet explorer. Nada problems. zero, zilch, nothing. worked right out of the box. could watch video, sound, open pdf files all outta the box. updating my wireless and video drivers took all of 10minutes and it works RIGHT OUT OF THE FUCKING BOX.

I have Ubuntu 9.04 fresh install in my laptop running mozilla firefox. nada problems. zero, zilch, nothing. worked right out of the box. could watch video, sound, open pdf files all outta the box.
I didn't even need to update anything and it works RIGHT OUT OF THE F*****G BOX ;-)

[fladd]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

Brilliant! Brilliant! brilliant! This guy address exactly the reason i'm staying away (and so are everyone else I know except for one guy) from linux.

Summary for those who didnt watch the video :

1). Current linux for desktop sucks
2). Standardization and making linux commercially viable for other developers to port their apps to linux are good solutions to problem 1).

Microsoft rules. Honestly. I don't give a shit if it costs an arm and a leg. Fuck the trouble i have to go through to get openoffice to work as good as word in linux. what i need is microsoft word in linux. THEN i'll use linux.

I have vista fresh install in my laptop running internet explorer. Nada problems. zero, zilch, nothing. worked right out of the box. could watch video, sound, open pdf files all outta the box. updating my wireless and video drivers took all of 10minutes and it works RIGHT OUT OF THE FUCKING BOX.

if linux was like that, I'll consider switching. Right now Vista > Linux, and if you disagree you're a total tool.

I either don't get the joke here or you are indeed serious about what you are saying which would surprise me even more (and also make me sad somehow).

1) I use Linux on a desktop for years, because it is way advanced for desktop use over Windows.
2) While I don't see why someone would prefer Word over OpenOffice anyway, OO is free and does not cost a fortune just to write some letters (for anything bigger one would obviously not use a wordprocessor anymore).
3) Talking about out of the box experiences. My linux is all out of the box. My windows is not, I have a lot of troubles, bluescreens (when installing VST!), crashes and so on. And this is a very cleaned up minimal install for audio only.

But, in one thing I have to agree, for audio stuff Linux is still not at the edge. For instance there are no fully working drivers for my audio interface (and for many others). On the other hand, this is understandable, since everything is a community effort.

Oh and no offence of course :-) Just stating my opinion here.

Cheers,
fladd

[Finnish]

Originally Posted by lemmy

I'm reading this on my S10e netbook (which I don't use for music) running Ubuntu Netbook Remix (Jaunty).
It has been an excellent out of the box experience. Faster than XP, automatically set up my printer when I plugged it in, really good wireless support, etc. etc. Open Office 3 is good.
I think the Ubuntu team are closing in on something good... This is the best linux experience I've had so far.
Oh and Spotify works seamlessly in Wine. Perfect.

I'm reading this on my laptop, plain 9.04 Jaunty install (dual boot with XP). I use XP only for making music. Everything else on this boot. Works flawlessly. HP laptops need some tweaking now and then for ubuntu installs, but jaunty has been the perfect distro for me.

[caleb]

Speaking about my own experience I do agree that deciding to install a Linux distribution can bring about more problems than a Windows install sometimes.

It can depend greatly on what distribution you choose.

Some are more like Windows with that out-of-the-box feel, very smart looking graphics on the desktop and all the timmings. I would say Ubuntu is aiming for that and probably gaining ground.

I actually chose a slightly slimmer - well very much slimmer distribution so I figured I'd probably get to areas that I was going to have to work a little - and I was right. I don't think this means that Windows is better, I've just chosen a less out-of-the-box experience.

Personally I'm quite happy with a less heavy windows manager even if some might say it's a bit more dated looking.

In terms of Linux with music I have to confess, I haven't really hit that "Linux is a low latency stable audio platform" revelation that I used to read here and there and I did mainly switch to put together a rock solid performance environment for a laptop (which I have yet to buy). We'll see what I think it turns out to be in the end.

Additionally, I've found this time around that the multi-media experience in Linux using various media formats streaming from the net etc to be not so great. There are probably many possible factors involved but it's still a bit frustrating that internet multi-media - a favourite desktop user's passtime is a little elusive (for me) in Linux.

But as a desktop experience other than that I'm quite happy. It's zippy, and although I could have learned the deep innards of a Windows system to tweak it to perfection, I just never wanted to. Whereas Linux I feel a bit more comfortable exploring the system.

This comfort may have come because my latest project involves a UNIX system meaning I've become more comfortable with how that type of OS tends to work. But I'm not complaining. I haven't felt tempted to revert to Windows again yet.

Windows7 might be interesting though.

Regards
Caleb

[Tedwood]

Don't mind Keyman Sam, he's just looking for a smacked bottom.

Such Polarised arguments are pointless, thankfully few people think either platform does everything better. I've tried Linux for audio and had mixed results on different distros. Linux is hardly going to be better than Windows for things like that.

On the other hand it wins hands down in other departments, mostly with the day to day jobs, but I also find it seems to work better with Inkscape.

Then there is the fact you can fix windows problems easier from a linux install when windows doesn't let you.

If size, virus, nagging, activation, updates, cost etc. don't bother you windows is great, otherwise Linux is well worth a try just for the peace of mind.

I'm now using Puppy Linux for day to day jobs because it's tiny, rapid and stupid quick to install - like Reaper - unbelievable really. If you haven't tried it yet you should do yourself a favour.

http://www.puppylinux.com/

See also Synths thread, and try his own Turbopup here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40477

[_Devin]

"Getting OpenOffice to work as good as MS Word"

WTF are you on about? That's where Linux "just works". I've converted tons of non-technical people to Kubuntu Linux(just by showing them the KDE4 desktop eye-candy and telling them it's free), and none of them had any problem dropping IE for Firefox and MS Office for OpenOffice. Using audio apps in WINE is far more problematic, but FFS, any casual office/internet/email user can easily use Linux just as well as Windows.

[StepOne]

Originally Posted by _Devin

"Getting OpenOffice to work as good as MS Word"

WTF are you on about? That's where Linux "just works". I've converted tons of non-technical people to Kubuntu Linux(just by showing them the KDE4 desktop eye-candy and telling them it's free), and none of them had any problem dropping IE for Firefox and MS Office for OpenOffice. any casual office/internet/email user can easily use Linux just as well as Windows.

Absolutely, I agree, granted that everything works OOTB (which most Linksys wireless network products don't, needing ndiswrapper and a bunch of command line procedures to get up and running.)

For only internet, email, and document writing, Linux is phenomenal, provided the hardware support is there from the beginning. Compiz is sexy. I prefer Gnome, KDE is a bit to gaudy for my taste

What irks me about OpenOffice is that it loads in a second or two on Linux but it takes 10-30 seconds on Windows to open

[todd24]

I cant even figure out how to install linux......I am not geeky enough for the stuff.

Shame it isnt more user friendly.

[Tedwood]

Originally Posted by todd24

I cant even figure out how to install linux......I am not geeky enough for the stuff.

Shame it isnt more user friendly.

If you can burn a image to disc all you have to do is put the disc in the drive with Puppy Linux - and it installs in the time it takes to say Windows is a pain in the arse.

Nothing to it really, it's only about forty billion times quicker to install than Windows, complete with word processor, spreadsheets, browser, and all the things you need and more.

I gave a copy to a couple of complete computer dunces and they thought it was great, only trouble was their weird Dell printer didn't have driver support, all the normal ones do though.
check the links in my previous post

[TheArchitect]

Originally Posted by todd24

I cant even figure out how to install linux......I am not geeky enough for the stuff.

Shame it isnt more user friendly.

I doubt you could install windows then if you can't click "next". The ubuntu desktop version is as about as simple as it gets.

[sumpm1]

Haha, it took him like 15 minutes to actually get a presentation going! I love Linux though.

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by fladd

I either don't get the joke here or you are indeed serious about what you are saying which would surprise me even more (and also make me sad somehow).

1) I use Linux on a desktop for years, because it is way advanced for desktop use over Windows.
2) While I don't see why someone would prefer Word over OpenOffice anyway, OO is free and does not cost a fortune just to write some letters (for anything bigger one would obviously not use a wordprocessor anymore).
3) Talking about out of the box experiences. My linux is all out of the box. My windows is not, I have a lot of troubles, bluescreens (when installing VST!), crashes and so on. And this is a very cleaned up minimal install for audio only.

But, in one thing I have to agree, for audio stuff Linux is still not at the edge. For instance there are no fully working drivers for my audio interface (and for many others). On the other hand, this is understandable, since everything is a community effort.

Oh and no offence of course :-) Just stating my opinion here.

Cheers,
fladd

Did you so much as to bother looking at the video? Please do before all you linux-heads come here and go "oh i installed linux for my mother and she was very happy no complaints".

A guy did that in the video (he missed the entire presentation came in last 5 mins and gave the same exact argument as you guys) and made himself look like a blossoming idiot.



Please don't go talking about how linux is successful to YOU. No one gives half a shit. Watch the video and then lets argue. The point of the video is that linux needs to be standardized and commercially viable.

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by _Devin

"Getting OpenOffice to work as good as MS Word"

WTF are you on about? That's where Linux "just works". I've converted tons of non-technical people to Kubuntu Linux(just by showing them the KDE4 desktop eye-candy and telling them it's free), and none of them had any problem dropping IE for Firefox and MS Office for OpenOffice. Using audio apps in WINE is far more problematic, but FFS, any casual office/internet/email user can easily use Linux just as well as Windows.

Before you flame me, right now i have a clean vista install and running open office (cos I don't have the need to buy office right now). So I do use Openoffice and don't mind it at all - it is a very nice package.

Next, openoffice really can't compete with MS office. If you use word as frequently as I do, you'll find open office to be extremely clumsy. Believe me, we have a lab full of linux computers and i've had my fair share of "what the fuck this openoffice is NOT doing what i want it to" moments.

Also excel just fucking works and feels very snappy. Openoffice is sluggish even in linux machines.


OKAY, but this is not a debate on that. PLEASE WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO in the original post BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN.

[pipelineaudio]

It should be realized that the video was made by a lover of linux, who wanted to specify and adress the problems that make linux so difficult to deal with for many people

The plural of anecdote is "anecdotes", not "evidence"

I skyped into his live call in show and discussed it with him for a bit. He seems a very well reasoned person.

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by Tedwood

If you can burn a image to disc all you have to do is put the disc in the drive with Puppy Linux - and it installs in the time it takes to say Windows is a pain in the arse.

Nothing to it really, it's only about forty billion times quicker to install than Windows, complete with word processor, spreadsheets, browser, and all the things you need and more.

I gave a copy to a couple of complete computer dunces and they thought it was great, only trouble was their weird Dell printer didn't have driver support, all the normal ones do though.
check the links in my previous post

Hah! We've found our linux fanboi right here. You just need one or two of these egoistic creatures to spoil the entire forum with their mindless babble about positive personal experiences.

You must have gone through a great deal of mathematical calculations to pull out the 40 billion number right out of your arse. With all due respect sir, I can't count with my finger the number of times linux has crashed on me while using these same applications you describe. Openoffice is lovely and a wonderful attempt at copying MS office. However, this is not a battle on which software is better. The argument is that linux needs to be standardized.

OTOH, I have vista and i can't remember the last time it crashed. Ok, maybe once or twice running IE, but it was very smooth otherwise. If i plug in a USB soundcard, it just fucking works. If i connect wirelessly, it fucking works. If i open my friend's documents it just fu...you get the idea...

Linux needs to be like that. Not a billion distros and packages. One linux. One solution. Else, there's no hope.

[keyman_sam]

[QUOTE=Tedwood;314333]If size, virus, nagging, activation, updates, cost etc. don't bother you windows is great, otherwise Linux is well worth a try just for the peace of mind.

[QUOTE]

bullshit. another fan-boi "i hate MS cos thats what the cool kids too" forum member.

If you're homeless, live under I-45, MacD's your favorite night out, and collect all things garbage and free, you'll be satisfied with linux desktop.

Or else, spend some money, be a man, buy windows(or a mac) and have a life with no worries. Its a real OS.

[Shan]

Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

It should be realized that the video was made by a lover of linux, who wanted to specify and adress the problems that make linux so difficult to deal with for many people

Ya, they do a Linux Podcast that I've listened to for years. They are both Linux users and gurus. Also, the title is, "Why Desktop Linux sucks, and what can we do about it." The title of this thread is a wee bit out of context to what they are trying to communicate.

I skyped into his live call in show and discussed it with him for a bit. He seems a very well reasoned person.

Killer! I'll be listening for you when I check out the next episode!

Shane

[Tedwood]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

bullshit. another fan-boi "i hate MS cos thats what the cool kids too" forum member.

If you're homeless, live under I-45, MacD's your favorite night out, and collect all things garbage and free, you'll be satisfied with linux desktop.

Or else, spend some money, be a man, buy windows(or a mac) and have a life with no worries. Its a real OS.

I can't follow your reasoning KMS, I know both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, you don't have to be homeless to not want to have a seven gig OS that just keeps getting bigger. There are plenty of other inequalities but I don't meed to point them out, unless you accept the basic principal that these are two different platforms that people might prefer for a number of reasons unrelated to favourite food or hardship.

FYI there is nothing wrong with liking stuff if it is free or even because it is. However I did buy XP and I will buy Windows 7 I expect, but if I decide not to because I don't need it or don't want half the things it does that makes me some sort of moron according to you. You aren't making any sense.

According to you I am stupid if I want an OS that I can download and install in a few minutes that does everything I want, not even counting the fact that you need not worry about virus and and updates and activation etc. For me it's just a matter of convenience, no fanboism.

Why would I not do that if it meets my needs for certain things and I can have a dual boot machine. How on earth am I missing out?

Anyway, why should anyone listen to you, you can't even do a quote properly

[NoiseMan]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

there's no hope

Here I agree with you.

[Thehaxx]

I've only read the first 1/4 of this thread so far. But i just wanted to say...


JUST BUY A FUCKING MAC. SERIOUSLY. WINDOWS SUCKS COCK. ZOMG. HACKINTOSH HAVEN'T YOU HEARD NEWB? WINDOWS IS GHAY.

/yelling.

I hate to be the guy that raves about macs, but ever since i bought a Macbook I can barely fathom how anyone would do any kind of professional work on a windows based PC.

Shit in my life just got better. Things always work here. I plug shit in, it works. I go on the net, my computer still works. Shit doesn't pop up and fuck with me when I'm trying to make music. My computer still boots in record time even though i've downloaded more hectic shit than i ever did on windows. I can FIND that stuff because of spotlight.

You know how great your PC works for the first week after you format? That's how my computer always works. All of the time.

/fanboy rant.

Thanks just had to say that.

[Stargard]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

Please don't go talking about how linux is successful to YOU. No one gives half a shit. Watch the video and then lets argue. The point of the video is that linux needs to be standardized and commercially viable.

I think Linux needs Bill Gates and DRM.

I'm running Linux as my desktop environment (Ubuntu distribution) for a couple of years now. Never had ANY problems.
Linux is NOT for musicians (unless you are a freaking rocket scientist).
Now the Word/Excell, Browser, Media Player-user? Linux NOT working? Are you kidding?

Linux is the definition of "out of the box".

[_Devin]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

Did you so much as to bother looking at the video? Please do before all you linux-heads come here and go "oh i installed linux for my mother and she was very happy no complaints". [/B]

I've had no problems with Linux(and apparently am not alone), I've not watched the video, and I don't really give a shit what problems this guy had. If my personal experience with Linux has been quite good, then why should I care?

That's like you complaining about me supporting gay marriage because I haven't watched a propaganda film called "The Evils of Gay Rights(copyright 2009 Jerry Falwell)". I'll continue to support Linux and still not watch the film, thx.

[Tedwood]

Originally Posted by _Devin

That's like you complaining about me supporting gay marriage because I haven't watched a propaganda film called "The Evils of Gay Rights(copyright 2009 Jerry Falwell)". I'll continue to support Linux and still not watch the film, thx.

Actually the guy is not anti Linux Devin, he's a Linux guy, "Why Linux sucks" is tongue in cheek, and the the thread title is misleading cos all the vid is talking about is solving some problems and making a better desktop option.

[_Devin]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

Next, openoffice really can't compete with MS office. If you use word as frequently as I do, you'll find open office to be extremely clumsy.

Interesting how you told us that our personal experiences with Linux don't matter, then you refer to your personal experiences. I don't know if you've tried MS Office 2007, but it sucks, they completely screwed it up, I'd much rather use OpenOffice. Office 2003 is still alright, but definitely not pwning OpenOffice,

[caleb]

Oooh I hope my post wasn't read as a Linux fan boy fighting the title - especially as I tend to agree quite a bit with the guy in the video.

I'm a Linux newbie really - but some of the things I noticed in my induction into Linux was:
- lack of decent specialised software for Linux (especially for audio/video)
- lack of consistent out-of-the-box multi-media
- audio/graphic/xorg config issues etc..
- package management woes (especially as I'm using a distribution without a large repository)

For a large part of the Linux community this might be a "who cares" scenario as Linux is not necessarily about being a desktop equivalent in all cases. But the topic was specifically about that and I tend to agree with everything.

I do enjoy Linux in general though.

Regards
Caleb

[_Devin]

Originally Posted by Tedwood

Actually the guy is not anti Linux Devin, he's a Linux guy

I gathered that much, my point was more a matter of that it was being Sam was trying to say that I needed to be properly "educated" on why Linux sucks through a video, and that how no amount of positive personal experience with it was more valuable than watching a video.

[daverich]

ok watching the video now.

He has some excellent points,- obviously the title is provocative which turns people off immediately.

Maybe the title should be "How can we improve Linux" rather than "linux sucks"

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by _Devin

I gathered that much, my point was more a matter of that it was being Sam was trying to say that I needed to be properly "educated" on why Linux sucks through a video, and that how no amount of positive personal experience with it was more valuable than watching a video.

By not watching the video, you've chosen to make a complete idiot of yourself. Fine by me.

The user in the video is a linux-pro-know-it-all guy. He actually LOVES linux. He's talking some excellent points about how linux can be improved and made a competitive video. If you're so fucking brain dead as to completely ignore my suggestion and not watch the video, by all means dig a hole in the ground bury your head there and the world has one less idiot to worry about.

I understand that your experience, as well as countless others, with linux is A-wesome. That's all fine and dandy. The guy in the video is talking about how to make that possible for EVERYBODY, you know, like how microsoft has done and how linux will never be in a million years unless you do what that guy is talking about?

yeah, so watching that video is good for you. regardless of whether you love or hate linux.

[keyman_sam]

Originally Posted by Tedwood

I can't follow your reasoning KMS, I know both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses, you don't have to be homeless to not want to have a seven gig OS that just keeps getting bigger. There are plenty of other inequalities but I don't meed to point them out, unless you accept the basic principal that these are two different platforms that people might prefer for a number of reasons unrelated to favourite food or hardship.

FYI there is nothing wrong with liking stuff if it is free or even because it is. However I did buy XP and I will buy Windows 7 I expect, but if I decide not to because I don't need it or don't want half the things it does that makes me some sort of moron according to you. You aren't making any sense.

According to you I am stupid if I want an OS that I can download and install in a few minutes that does everything I want, not even counting the fact that you need not worry about virus and and updates and activation etc. For me it's just a matter of convenience, no fanboism.

Why would I not do that if it meets my needs for certain things and I can have a dual boot machine. How on earth am I missing out?

Anyway, why should anyone listen to you, you can't even do a quote properly

You're free to love linux. What you're missing is that you're one of the very few who has gotten linux to work right outta the box. Not everyone has the same experience. In general, you HAVE to agree or else you're completely lying (as the expert in the video also says).

That's not true for windows. Pretty much all hardware out there works outta the box with windows. Fact. Please don't quote on how your 1986 lexmark printer is not identified. I said, IN GENERAL.

The guy in the video is showing how to make this possible for linux. By standardizing it- making it vanilla - and making it popular and easy to use - making it profitable for companies to spend time and money porting their software to, etc.,

Windows has the upper hand. Linux is the wannabe. You want to make linux as popular as windows? Then standardize it. That's what i was referring to. It doesn't matter if your experiences with linux are positive. Mine aren't and so goes for a million others. Or else i'd switch to linux right now.

[w00t]

edit: nvm,note to self: stay out of the general forums and stick to pre release

[Jason Brian Merrill]

This backs up various different reasons why i would never use linux as a desktop OS...

again, i must reiterate the tons and tons of conversations i see on chat of people spending hours researching and hacking away on their linux boxes, while i just plug and play my way through windows 7 like its nintendo. I am using alot of the same apps ive used since 2001 on windows xp, with no compatibility problems (i had some issues with early win7 betas, but thats kind of expected, the latest beta im using ((7068)) works awesome) ... and yeah i also used vista, and i would say it was just as good as xp. But win7 blows them out of the water...

if the title turns you off, i dunno... maybe you are a bit too emotional with your software? lol... i dont mind watching things that point out why windows sucks, i dont give a crap. i didnt make windows, you can call it a dirty whore bitch if you want, i wouldnt care

I think the things in this video the guy is presenting, is basically making it more like windows, more standardized, etc.

if there was more standardization, maybe more work would get done, and more ease and accessibility would be attained.

windows: it just works.

You know how great your PC works for the first week after you format? That's how my computer always works. All of the time.

i guess that would be true if the PC user was using win98. I hated that system. Thank god its 2009 and i have win7 winxp/vista worked awesome too. My computer runs snappy and quick, 2 months after my last format (I do clean installs when i upgrade a beta).

fact is, my opinion that linux DOES indeed suck, shouldnt affect those that love it. If you love it, love it. I see people spending more time configuring than making music, and if they like that, thats cool. if you arent part of that crowd, thats cool too! And if you use mac, well, you are a douchebag.

lol the guy talks about windows movie maker, mentions it "kinda works and kinda doesnt"-- lol, it works great, it works fine, never had a bug, and its a great, simple, free addition to windows. lol... sure it doesnt have crazy effects, and advanced features, but its not meant to. lol .... that guy is funny.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by keyman_sam

I have vista fresh install in my laptop running internet explorer. Nada problems. zero, zilch, nothing. worked right out of the box. could watch video, sound, open pdf files all outta the box. updating my wireless and video drivers took all of 10minutes and it works RIGHT OUT OF THE FUCKING BOX.

if linux was like that, I'll consider switching. Right now Vista > Linux, and if you disagree you're a total tool.

i agree with all of your points except the last sentence, which only shows your own tooliness.

[Tedwood]

In case nobody noticed this is not the WE HATE WINDOWS thread. it's not about windows at all. Keyman turned it into one. The so called fanbois that are taking a ribbing are only really saying Linux has problems but we still like it.

What the fuck is wrong with that?

The thing is if they get Linux to work as well as windows it will be superior in lot's of ways, and it would be the only option a sane person would consdider. Seems to me that lot's of people are completely disregarding the fact the reason people like/love or just use Linux is because in certain areas it has great advantages. I don't need to list them, if you are happy with Windows that's great - don't let us fanbois stop you

On the other hand I can't see how anyone can fail to see the benefits of having a dual boot where you have all the advantages of both operating systems on one box.

Every distro I have installed so far has worked right out of the box on several machines - I only have Windows for Reaper.

Now one thing to remember is that Linux has not long been a consumer desktop option. I remember getting one of the first Ubuntu disks only a few years ago. Since then it has come on in leaps and bounds. That's what this is about.

Why slag something off because it hasn't quite come up to scratch in the short time it's been around? - you don't like it when people do that to Reaper do you?

....... erm....Sorry Keyman Sam does

Apparently when or if Linux is standardized and has as good support for all things as Windows does Keyman Sam and I bet a billion others will forget all their qualms and become Linux fans.

In the meantime I'd be happy if parasites like KMS just went back to sleep on their Windows desktops and wait while other people do all the hard work for them to take advantage of when its done