discodsp discovery freeware!!

[Jason Brian Merrill]

well, too late...

[dln]

Wow, that's one messy affair right there.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

to keep the peace

[bullshark]

Where do you get that info from? I'm reading KVR as I speak (write? or do I speak while I write?) and can't see nothing about it at all.

[dln]

Jeez, man. This is mad. They seem to work fine, and they're quality synths. I wonder if they're legit, in the eyes of the law and such, though. I suppose we'll find out shortly.

[politcat]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

spread it around, keep the war going

warmonger

peace!

[bullshark]

Originally Posted by dln

Jeez, man. This is mad. They seem to work fine, and they're quality synths. I wonder if they're legit, in the eyes of the law and such, though. I suppose we'll find out shortly.

Yeah, same question here. I only tried Discovery so far, sounds extremely good but I don't want to get too attached to those...

[bullshark]

Originally Posted by bullshark

Where do you get that info from? I'm reading KVR as I speak (write? or do I speak while I write?) and can't see nothing about it at all.

I'll answer myself if I may: The mods over at KVR are pretty snappy on the "erase post" button so that makes it impossible to follow what's going on. Also makes it impossible to know if the VSTI posted are legit or not...

[Stringer]

What seems to be happening is that two developers are having a row (as the Brits would say) and they are giving each other's synths away. Whether using synths obtained under such circumstances is legit or not is an ethical conundrum, but I incline toward not.

Jason, I think you should have left this over on KVR.

John

[sinkmusic]

I was very glad being able to try HighLife for free some days ago, as i don't have many samplers working fine in Reaper, but i thought it was given away for free as a generous act.

Now that there's a riot going on, i feel a bit like a robber taking whatever is left after a street riot.
Things are not so nice, as the meaning of the freewareness of highlife was not to be user-friendly/popular and promote discodsp's forthcoming products, but to hurt somehone else.

The users weren't the end of the chain, but like the tools of a vengeance.
So the question is now : is downloading Highlife, discovery means being an evil leecher, making the riot hotter an supporting the fight, or does that mean becoming again a user and not a tool (as said above) ? Hard not to feel part of a dirty business...

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by bullshark

Where do you get that info from? I'm reading KVR as I speak (write? or do I speak while I write?) and can't see nothing about it at all.

The FL forums, where arguru is employed.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by Stringer

What seems to be happening is that two developers are having a row (as the Brits would say) and they are giving each other's synths away. Whether using synths obtained under such circumstances is legit or not is an ethical conundrum, but I incline toward not.

Jason, I think you should have left this over on KVR.

John

and leave all of my reaper brethren without these nice, free synths?

you crazy!!!

these synths are totally legal as the developers have released them..
george released highlife -
so arguru released discovery.

for some reason kvr favors georges decision but not argurus ---
So i am making sure his side is getting through...
but mostly for the benefit of people i mean, highlife isnt that great anyway, arguru's updated version (called directwave) is much better anyway. But discovery is pretty nice

[bullshark]

Originally Posted by sinkmusic

I was very glad being able to try HighLife for free some days ago, as i don't have many samplers working fine in Reaper, but i thought it was given away for free as a generous act.

Now that there's a riot going on, i feel a bit like a robber taking whatever is left after a street riot.
Things are not so nice, as the meaning of the freewareness of highlife was not to be user-friendly/popular and promote discodsp's forthcoming products, but to hurt somehone else.

The users weren't the end of the chain, but like the tools of a vengeance.
So the question is now : is downloading Highlife, discovery means being an evil leecher, making the riot hotter an supporting the fight, or does that mean becoming again a user and not a tool (as said above) ? Hard not to feel part of a dirty business...

I finally decided not to concern myself with those things. I had no hand in this, the soft was released by the original developper so I did not steal anything and, furhtermore, the fight between those two former friends and associate has nothing to do with me; they are both adult after all...

So my only concern is if those synths are usefull to me or not, I suggest you do the same.

Oh, and thank you for the heads up JBM.

[dln]

Originally Posted by bullshark

So my only concern is if those synths are usefull to me or not, I suggest you do the same.

Well said. I agree completely. If you don't, and feel some kind of moral conflict about this, consider this: It was they who decided to use each other's customer base against the other, not your choice.

Arguru leveled the playing field by removing any advantage either had in whatever their conflict might be. Fine - Now, they can both focus on developing something new, better. Also, I doubt this affair affects their already established customer base, since I believe they have a rather loyal following. Hell, people even seem to buy stuff from Roger Nichol$, even though he screwed everybody over by waving a wad of cash, once.

If there's no other lesson learned by these two devs, let it be that you can't ungive something, and that actions have consequences.

It's just part of capitalism.

I do, however, think that if arguru sticks by his actions, he should change the skins to reflect that they're not discoDSP products. That can be a problem for him otherwise, regardless of who owns the code.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

actually, i dont think discodsp will be developing anything, as george didnt have any coding ability AFAIK, just design and marketing.

but look out for argurus stuff, i guess.

[bardo]

I was wondering,are this sample sounds I can use with my Reason libray?

[aMUSEd]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

actually, i dont think discodsp will be developing anything, as george didnt have any coding ability AFAIK, just design and marketing.

As a matter of fact Discovery has been updated many times this past year even though Arguru is no longer coding and is being actively developed - the last time just a few weeks ago. There has just been a succesful group buy and it is still regarded as one of the best in it's class of VSTi and is (was) doing pretty well as a product. I presume either George is doing some coding or has someone working with him on it. As someone who owns this great synth I am not happy at the fact that Arguru posted this and even less happy that it has been posted here when Arguru has taken down his own links on reflection. The fact is making Highlife freeware was a generous act and a logical one seeing as it's functionality has been superseded by Directwave and it was no longer selling even though still useful in it's own way. On the other hand releasing Discovery and Phantom - both viable products that are selling and are highly regarded was a petty and spiteful act made in anger (as such things are) and I'm glad that Arguru has since retracted his actions. However for someone to continue to try and fan those flames is stupid and childish vandalism. If DiscoDSP go down and Discovery is no longer developed because of this I will know who is at least partially to blame.

[randygo]

>these synths are totally legal as the developers have
>released them..

It doesn't matter who the developer is, but who owns the publishing and distribution rights.

Cheers,

Randy

[dln]

Originally Posted by randygo

It doesn't matter who the developer is, but who owns the publishing and distribution rights.

Exactly, and noone seems to know, or communicate it clearly (yet).

Originally Posted by aMUSEd

... and I'm glad that Arguru has since retracted his actions.

Unfortunately that's not possible.

Originally Posted by aMUSEd

If DiscoDSP go down and Discovery is no longer developed because of this I will know who is at least partially to blame.

Thank you so much for lending your moral authority.

Let's all chill now, have a few pints and wait until this whole mess with distribution rights is cleared up, mmmkay?

[dln]

Originally Posted by gregh

there is so much great free stuff, or very cheap stuff...

Precisely. And when all is said and done, Discovery is nice, but it's not exactly the end-all of all softsynths. IMHO, it's even pretty weak compared to how a real Nord sounds (and I have a hunch that arguru agrees, considering what he's said about working on a new synth).

Oatmeal, Xhip, Orca and good ol' Synth1.

All free and quite lovely.

[Subz]

just watching


Subz

[aMUSEd]

"Unfortunately that's not possible."

Well he did it all the same (i.e. took it off his site)

If it's still doing the rounds that's because of other people who seem to be getting a kick out of this sad state of affairs.

"Thank you so much for lending your moral authority."

Nothing moral about it. I just don't want to lose a great synth to the vultures.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

well, releasing highlife for free devalued DW and limited royalties that would be paid to Arguru, and as far as updates to discovery that had nothing to do with him, it wasnt really much. It seems only fair and im glad i have em for free

i think no one realizes that there was a dispute BEFORE highlife was even released for free, so by him releasing it, it was obviously to piss arguru off.

end of story.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

NEW LINK

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spread it around, keep the war going

and here is a freeware version of phantom 1.1 from arguru

keep the WAR going? are you proud of being a thief?

is this type of behaviour permissible at this forum?

can i spread around Reaper warez if I have some ethical dispute with Justin?

You are a real piece of work JBM, just incredible. I hope you are utterly ashamed and unhappy with yourself, and that one day someone steals everything from under your nose and gloats about it.

[aMUSEd]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

well, releasing highlife for free devalued DW and limited royalties that would be paid to Arguru, and as far as updates to discovery that had nothing to do with him, it wasnt really much. It seems only fair and im glad i have em for free

i think no one realizes that there was a dispute BEFORE highlife was even released for free, so by him releasing it, it was obviously to piss arguru off.

end of story.

A bullshit self serving argument to justify shit stirring behaviour of the worst kind. Its obvious there was a dispute before releasing Highlife but to assume it was released to piss Arguru off is just that, an assumption, not obvious at all. One could just as well say creating a competing product that pretty much renders Highlife obsolete for a rival company also had something to do with it - probably lots of other things too. The only obvious thing is that Highlife was not selling at all so releasing it harmed no-one and benefited the community (even though one could argue permission should have been sought which is reasonable under those circumstances reasonable behaviour probably didn't come into it). On the other hand Discovery is selling well, has a good following and regular updates and releasing that as "freeware" is incredibly damaging to the future prospects of that product and the whole company - and by extension to those of us who have an investment in it's future. But nothing justifies your behaviour in this - Arguru retracted releasing those products pretty quickly - it was done in anger and to make a statement and as is usually the case such things are not always thought through. That is human and I do not particularly direct my anger at Arguru though I do think it was a spiteful act but such is the case in such situations. But for people to just take advantage of this whole sad affair for their own gain and actually intervene to make matters worse is deplorable.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

you do know that george, when asked why he was going to release highlife said "to piss arguru off" -- a bit strange directly after they had an argument, no? Certainly a lack of respect there, at the least.

lol, you make some pretty broad accusations at me there.

you dont know me.

but if devs are going to have a pointless bitchfight, im more than happy to take the fallout. Discovery isnt even that great anyway. Highlife sucks too.... o well.

[aMUSEd]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

Discovery isnt even that great anyway. Highlife sucks too.... o well.

Well that just go's to show how wrong you are - Discovery is a great synth and Highlife is useful - and more self serving bs to justify shit stirring

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by lurker

keep the WAR going? are you proud of being a thief?

is this type of behaviour permissible at this forum?

can i spread around Reaper warez if I have some ethical dispute with Justin?

You are a real piece of work JBM, just incredible. I hope you are utterly ashamed and unhappy with yourself, and that one day someone steals everything from under your nose and gloats about it.

a theif?

I didnt release the software. Arguru did. Unfortunately i cant take down the links from stashbox... too bad its not his intention to release it anymore .. well actually he did, just not on kvr... its all over other forums. Perhaps he should have thought a bit more before he did this.

not my fault.

i find it funny how I am seen as the bad guy when i am simply reposting stuff that is already authorized to be posted by the author?

Go bark at arguru then!!!!

Spread reaper warez all you want. IT doesnt matter, thanks to the way justin doesnt really have any copy protection. Of course your argument is faulty, because you didnt write the bloody code for reaper.

now, head back over to kvr young man.

I have no reason to be unhappy. And you can take whatever you want from me. Its unimportant.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by aMUSEd

Well that just go's to show how wrong you are - Discovery is a great synth and Highlife is useful - and more self serving bs to justify shit stirring

nope, just my honest evaluation after trying these synths. Ever try a real nord lead? And highlife, ok perhaps for free it is "useful" --

[Jason Brian Merrill]

and as far as the "keep the war going" comment..

anyone notice this?


yeah... it was said in jest. Really, for free, this is a decent deal. So, that is the main thing behind what I did. I can care less if two girls want to have a slap fight.

"Arguru retracted releasing those products pretty quickly "

incorrect. Check the FL forums or the flipside forums for more details. kvr isnt the center of the universe you know. He just took it off from kvr's view thats all

[lurker]

hey what's it like knowing that about 95% of everyone thinks you are a totally moronic assclown? I bet it's not fun. Or perhaps you are not swift enough to even notice. Ignorance = Bliss? I certainly hope so for your sake young man.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by lurker

hey what's it like knowing that about 95% of everyone thinks you are a totally moronic assclown? I bet it's not fun. Or perhaps you are not swift enough to even notice. Ignorance = Bliss? I certainly hope so for your sake young man.

i already used the young man thing.

I dont notice, becuase i just see kvr fanbois hating thats all

when it comes down to it, its all digital anyway. No relevance to the real world. Too bad for these lives you have built up around your kvr friends

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by Stringer

Wh

Jason, I think you should have left this over on KVR.

John

probably a good idea

but when the link was removed i felt a need to make sure it was known about. thats all.

sorry...

[lurker]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

its all digital anyway. No relevance to the real world

nothing quite like wearing your idiocy on your sleeve. Nicely done.

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by lurker

nothing quite like wearing your idiocy on your sleeve. Nicely done.

better than having egg all over your face, or hiding who you are

[Jason Brian Merrill]

basically, calm down people. do you want me to edit my posts? I will. fine, whatever.

[olzzon]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

probably a good idea

but when the link was removed i felt a need to make sure it was known about. thats all.

sorry...

But wouldn´t it be apropriate to remove the stashbox link from this thread?

[Jason Brian Merrill]

Originally Posted by olzzon

But wouldn´t it be apropriate to remove the stashbox link from this thread?

well, i figured since arguru had no problem spreading everywhere else but kvr... but to make peace i certainly will.

at least no one will follow from kvr and cause problems

[Jason Brian Merrill]

links edited.

to all that didnt get it, if you go to the flipside forums and pm argu, he will get you a copy

[lurker]

astounding.