Normal Marquis Selection, Please??

[woodslanding]

Dear Justin:

I've tried so many types of eloquence to describe the frustration the Left-click drag behaviour gives me, and haven't managed to get a single response from you. Huge leaps have been made in the program, and yet my very first issue is still ignored. So now I am simply pleading:

Can we please, please, please have an option to allow normal marquis selection, and its equally important correlary, cycle manipulation only from the timeline??

What is the issue with this? Too hard to code? Philisophically repugnant? Or just somehow never got above the radar, despite my seemingly endless whining? Or does it just seem so unbelievably minor it's not worth the time?

I'd sure like to at least know.

I know I've managed to get a few people on the bandwagon, but honestly I think it's the folks who aren't likely to post to forums that are going to be most frustrated by things that don't work the same way they do in all the other apps they've ever used. Uber-geeks adjust, average Joes give up.

A brief reprise of my arguments:
1. Even if you eventually get used to your car having the accelerator and brake switched, you'd better not borrow anybody else's car. Going back and forth from Reaper to any other program on the windows platform (or the Mac!!) always requires mental vigilance.

2. The cycle has to be continually locked and unlocked to keep from being changed accidentally, especially when trying to resize media objects. This is just too much to be controlled from the track area. Far too often the borders of the cycle directly correspond to the start and endpoints of media objects as a result of editing activity. The track area should be for dealing with media objects, and the timeline should be for time-related issues. Trying to control both from the same area is incredibly messy.

I ponied up my $$ for this program the first week I used it figuring "at this rate, this issue should be addressed any day!" And I've checked the program everytime I update it to see if it's in.

And I keep whining, sorry....

So, if I can get even the briefest of responses, I promise to shut up about this forever.

cheers,
eric

This P.S. from Tallisman:

I think it is retarded for such an intelligent & well designed application to to re-invent the wheel in terms of computer-based selection paradigm. While i am used to selecting in Reaper, I don't like it. I wish it worked the same as Any and every other windows / mac based application.

[LOSER]

+1 on that feature, since I barly use the loop selection and I am used (or at least was, or still somehow am, so it isn't too late anyhow) to left click marquis selection.

Right click is still comfortalbe (for me), but as I see that even IMO 'retarded' "flip all bands" was added to reaeq, this is def... a must!

[Xenakios]

+1

Please make it possible to separate the functionality between loop selection and time range selection over items. Also make the time range selection doable by a simple left-button drag (and NOT needing to have the items selected first) just as discussed above!

The way this all works in Reaper now is very uncomfortable, although manageable, if I almost never try to do any marquee-selections in the first place...

-X

[Billoon]

Please make it possible to separate the functionality between loop selection and time range selection over items.


Have you seen this option...

http://img255.**************/img255/4572/noseloh7.png (http://**************)

Personally, ive never had any problems with REAPERs selection paradigm...i see it more like the indicators and headlight controls being in a different place on different cars. Each to their own. ;)

Must be an uber-geek i suppose. :)

[doclike]

Right klick hold for moving items would be better imo.
Then you could use the left mouse button for marquee.

doc

[Xenakios]

Have you seen this option...



No, I haven't explored how that works... But I would really like to have completely separate loop and time range selections available as an option...(So people who are already used to the way Reaper works now, could have their way... ;) )

-X

[Tallisman]

No, I haven't explored how that works... But I would really like to have completely separate loop and time range selections available as an option...(So people who are already used to the way Reaper works now, could have their way... ;) )

-X

essentially, that is what that new option allows for.

I need to chime in here as I feel a little embarrassed by the tone of my post quoted above. :o

I think that the solution here resides in a fully, user configurable mouse: every button and modifier combination (it would be cool to have multi button options too - if that's possible), with the defaults being what they are now. That way those of us who have become accustom to the way it works now, can always revert to this if our own kung-fu is not better.

I used to have about 3 pages of hand drawn mouse configurations where I tried to map out how I would reconfigure the whole shebang. I kept coming up against weird little caveats and eventually gave up. Now I look forward to the user configurable mouse such that I can remap only the redundant clicks and hopefully with macro built from the key-binding menu in prefs.

So, as I have adapted to Reaper, it seems that my desire to see the mouse fully configurable , while still intact, has evolved. Of equal, if not greater importance, IMO, is the need for complete congruency, within Reaper, between its various editing environments. One set of macros and mouse clicks that work the same throughout this application.

Woods, if memory serves, Justin has addressed this and mentioned something about the v.2.x series.

[reapercurious]

what's a marquis? is this different than a loop section?

its nice how reaper has so many configurable options. the day will come when people will sell their special configuration! so time consuming!

[Dstruct]

what's a marquis?

it's the rectangle you draw with your mouse when selecting several items or midi-notes (with the right mousebutton pressed at the moment).

[drew]

Meanwhile over at this thread Justin speaks of making click+drag paint new items (ACID-style).. so it looks putting marquee selection on left-button may not be on his mind right now - unless he really is planning a global flip mouse-buttons option in version 2.

[Ben Zero]

Right klick hold for moving items would be better imo.
Then you could use the left mouse button for marquee.

doc

Ewwww. Where's the puke emoticon? :) This would be horrible behaviour! Really counter intuitive to most people - circa Cool Edit Pro, 1997. Or something.

Ben

[Bevosss]

This script I just wrote puts control-right click on the left button, and left-click on the middle mouse button...right mouse button remains right.

So you just hold down Alt for left click marquee selection. You can also left-click drag to select on items ala Logic, Live, Cubase etc. Plus some other bonus features too...all outlined HERE (http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98157&postcount=15)



There's another one here that simply swaps the left and right button, so you have true left-click marquee selection. (http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11538)...Not as useful to me, but some people in this thread might prefer it.

The beautiful thing is, you're not stuck with either...a keystroke toggles instantly between swapped states, and normal mapping. I love it!


I have to put up a new zip file for the new one, but there's full easy instructions for installing the older swapparooni one...really shouldn't take more then a few minutes. Then you can just paste the new one in from the second post.

Well, it beats holding your breath...and Justin's going on vacation don't forget.

Any feedback or requests welcome. :D

[Bevosss]

I put up a download for the new script HERE (http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98332&postcount=18) with easy instructions and install...have fun!

[Bevosss]

I made a much better one using modifiers HERE. (http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98389&postcount=8)

[maa]

Sad, sad !

We need the ability to configure the mouse - not have it hard coded the way it is.

Moving items should not be the highest priority - putting 'move' to right mouse + drag would solve a lot of accidental moving too - even solve a lot of lock type of requests.

So we whine on and on - and Justin doesn't answer as usual....or does he....?

[Bevosss]

Moving items should not be the highest priority - putting 'move' to right mouse + drag would solve a lot of accidental moving too - even solve a lot of lock type of requests.



That's exactly what my last script above does...move items is on right mouse and drag, selection on items is on control-left mouse and drag...and marquee selection on windows-left mouse drag.

Not knocking your request, but I gave up on Justin changing this after so long...and now the mouse behaves the way I want it to. :)

[woodslanding]

cool, I will try your script. However, I have no idea how to install it. Are there instructions somewhere? Is it a windows thing or a reaper thing?

thanks!!!

-e

[woodslanding]

The "allow modifying loop edges" preference does help a lot. I set up double-click to move the loop, and now it's easier to set, and harder to accidentally reset.

thanks!

-e

[Bevosss]

cool, I will try your script. However, I have no idea how to install it. Are there instructions somewhere? Is it a windows thing or a reaper thing?

Yeah, full instructions and it's an easy install, just a couple of minutes at most. It toggles on/off so there's no dramas with it ever.

I'm pretty fast at it now if you want a custom script and/or shortcut, like maybe standard mouse plus one modifier for left marquee selection...or middle button marquee selection...whatever you want, it doesn't take long to write. Have a go with the one in the link and see if that works for you, or try the one in the tools thread.

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99684&postcount=16