Grid snapping - too hard to adjust

[reapercurious]

i just tried for 10 minutes to change the grid/snap settings so that the grid is 1/4 note in resolution, expecting items to snap to that. the items still snap to full beat lines on the grid.

changing the grid should be easier and it should allow snapping at the chosen resolution.

i am a seasoned acid user, is that my problem?

[reapercurious]

cool, but why can't those options be located side by side?

maybe they are, will check.

i seriously belong in the newbie section.

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sorry, maybe you didnt understand, i changed the grid to small sizes and it still only snaps at the big size.

anybody???

[Billoon]

You need to change this option...

http://img516.**************/img516/7227/snapva0.png (http://**************)


In REAPER, the grid display and snap settings are seperate.

[reapercurious]

great program everyone.

but its a little 'misleading' when it says "snap to grid" and the grid can be one thing, and there's another control for the snapping. sounds like a contradiction in terms.

it is a workflow killer if you ask me.

please someone reconsider the usefulness of having this conundrum.

[reapercurious]

i see your point, but there is no reason for the option 'snap to grid' if there is two grids, one visible one and one invisible one.

essentially, the 'beat' grid is invisible. there is no reason from a music production standpoint that i can think of right now... not one instance, where this would be useful.

as it stands, every time you change the grid settings, you have to change two different settings at least.

"...expose the computation a bit more than is usual in a daw."

this kind of action is for hobbyists, in my humble opinion.

[sebas777]

I'd love to see a modifier that would temp change snapping resolution to 1/4 or 1/2 of the current snap value.

A question: can you exclude automation from snapping to grid, without completely switching snapping off ?

[airon]

The grid is missing a couple of timecode options anyway.

[reapercurious]

i can see features that "dig in deeper into the act of tweaking a ui" but i cannot imagine one instance where the feature we are discussing contributes to the art of recording.

it is a mistake. there are plenty of features that will not carry on into the future, and sooner or later it will be dropped in the interest of keeping things reasonable. hear me now and believe me later.

i want to believe that reaper will get cooler, not impossibly saturated with meaningless options like having "snap to grid" and two grids to snap to, one over-riding the other, and that one being invisible in relation to the visible grid (that we see)

the grid that is being snapped to should always be visible. who has time to tweak two different grid controls each time they want to change resolution from 1/3 to 1/8?

i do that about 25 times an hour. it's no fun in reaper. sorry to sound all arrogant and patronising, but i'm not here to please people, just to announce nitpicks.

it will be changed.

[Dstruct]

i like the two "grids". i don't wanna see too small grid when setting the snap very small. so this is nice to have. same as it's done in other hosts.

the annoying thing to me is, that i can't tweak and see the snap value without opening this window. that's timewasting³.

[reapercurious]

i dont understand why people need a grid that isn't snappable. why does anybody want to look at a grid for if in order to snap to it, you have to make sure a second setting is right??

that's two actions to accomplish one desire -- to snap to the grid that you SEE.

'snap to grid' should snap to the grid, as it is displayed. that is the meaning of grid. that's why it is visible and not invisible. it lets the user... interface with the snapping technology.

again, there is no reason to have a feature 'snap to grid' if it's not going to snap to the grid.

the grid is the grid already!

the non grid should not be snappable, why would it have anything to do with the actual grid that can be seen with the naked eye?

one snap to grid per grid, and since that's one, let it be one.

[Dstruct]

again, there is no reason to have a feature 'snap to grid' if it's not going to snap to the grid.

just because you don't get it doesn't mean that there's no reason. use your brain. then you might get an idea why it could be useful or helpful to have a visible grid and an independent snapping grid.

[Billoon]

You can configure snapping to cursor, grid and media items....so its not just a simple "Snap to grid".

Why dont you put in a FR for linking the snap to the visible grid, which would overide(grey out?) the Grid Snap Setting.

[reapercurious]

sorry, i dont think many people have that kind of time to putter around changing two snap settings each time they want to go from 1/4 to 1/3

but since this is a democracy, why not open the flood gates and allow 8 different settings that need to be coordinated to get the grid snap to line up with the grid you see.

that way people can 'get under the hood' even more.

why not even have a c+ code window and a split screen for code/make music modes? you can name it DreamReaper and adobe could buy it, think of it!

sorry, i am not convinced. just because it can be a feature, doesnt mean it is called for. please give us a demonstration in the techniques or newbie section, if its indeed worth the time, which i doubt.

happy to be proved wrong, and reaper-curious.

[Ben Zero]

Gotta say, I for one am with 'reapercurious' here. I'm a seasoned DAW guy, and do music production for a living... yet find the grid/snap window waaaaaay too messy and complicated.

I'm used to simply setting the grid to, say, 16ths with one click and forgetting about it. I then turn snap on or off as necessary. Job done. The 1/4 thing threw me for ages, and I'm sure others too. Now I can see that more options may be nice here (for some) but the amount of head scratching involved for me setting something as simple as this has really been driving me mad. Too much of a break with conventions from every other DAW I've seen. And it's little things like this that are, arguably, unecessary complicated that could put some people off REAPER or, for people like me, seriously zap creativity. You shouldn't have to think about this stuff!

Ben

[reapercurious]

http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98308#post98308

instead of the deep context menu, just a pop up menu of note lengths.

[reapercurious]

i'm not here to battle with the hard core reaper heads.

im not a reaper head yet.

dont worry about convincing me,

i dare you to actually use this feature while programming polyrhythmic -syncopated- beats with 24 pieces.

i take that back, i wouldnt wish it on anyone.

i am...
reaper CURIOUS. not reaper SOLD.

also,
i am known for leaving things better than how i found them. i make it a point in life. dont mistake my confidence for arrogance.