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msore
10-31-2014, 11:11 AM
Contribute your throbby lyrics here.
Or recordings, like samD gave us.
Garrick? Jerome? Ted? Gary? Anybody?
Folkies? Country pickers? Old-timey types?
Jorgen, Hamish, Ozbald?
Any really softie metalheads out there? Suleiman?

msore
10-31-2014, 11:13 AM
Here is mine, written this morning. Now working on melody and chords.

Back and Forth Blame

What is to blame for the sweet pickle we are stuck in?
What are the reasons for our never having struck out?
Out of all the mud puddles we could've dirtied up,
how was ours not messed up by doubt?

Blame the classroom where you sat in front of me,
blame the Halloween when you made fun of me.
Maybe it's partly the fault
of the way these two hearts
made such harmony.

What should we blame for our libidinous bliss?
Was it the very first or is it today's kiss?
How can you and I two such outcasts
outlast the odds against taking this risk?

Blame how your clothes fit and what that implies,
blame my steely eyes for being so magnetized.
The quick and long history
of avoiding any chastity
has us quite harmonized.

Was it the traveling, or was it the children?
Or the fertile foundation of simple living?
Could've been the sweet tooth or some other addiction
that drove us as far as we've been driven.

I will blame you
you can blame me
whether we agree or not.

Jorgen
10-31-2014, 11:36 AM
I will blame you
you can blame me
whether we agree or not.

Very good. Not sure I get it 100 %, but it hit me, kind of.

flickervetigo
10-31-2014, 12:31 PM
you can feel the dancehall bouncin
from fifty feet away
cowboy girls flouncin
lookin prettier every day
and see the lovely lady
starin through the smoke
you can read in her expression
maybe dread and maybe hope

.
it might be her old lover
but she cant be real sure
cause she didnt bring her glasses
and the light is awful poor

.
be sure to bring your glassses
anywhere you go
cause he just might pop up anywhere
you never ever know

.
she knows that he still loves her
and he'll never be quite free
but she hopes he's got it fiugured out
she's got nothin that he needs
and why she keeps on starin
at strangers through the gloom
she's just wonderin if it might be him
across that crowded room

.
but you know you just dont care now
you're done with him for sure
you know you shouldnt stare now
but the light is awful poor

Garrick
10-31-2014, 01:44 PM
I'm busy having a fight msore. otherwise i'd be all in :)

hamish
10-31-2014, 01:57 PM
Hmph. I don't do lyrics.

Also, possibly the best lyricist around here ever was Wadosy. Of course he was also a terrible alcoholic and pissed off lots of people.

Oh well, at least we still have Garrick and Jorgen :p

Dream Of Sleeping
10-31-2014, 03:30 PM
Just about every song on my album was maudlin. But I'll choose my song December Something. It was Christmas and I wanted to write a Christmas song but I can only write really sad tunes, so I wrote a song about a couple facing their first Christmas since the death of their child.

Enjoy!

https://dreamofsleeping.bandcamp.com/track/december-something

When you go away
I'll come with you, ok?
I'll hold open the door but i'm not letting go of your arm

The drink's wearing off
I'll carry you up
It's quarter to 12 and I've no way to persuade time to stop

Oh I don't know what I can tell you
When you look like you'd break if I held you
It's too soon

There's sleet on the ground
And that deafening sound
Is a heart beat that desperately needs to escape this routine

It's Thursday again
December something
Lets pretend that the kids are pretending to sleep listening in

Oh I don't know what I can tell you
When you look like you'd break if I held you
It's too soon to tell
If the directions we fell
Left us close enough to touch
Or were our hands ripped apart
Like paper dolls cut up
It's too often thought but never said
If you forget
I'll forget

I made a list of my regrets
I closed my eyes is it over yet?
I got your note but I can't reply
It's cold in the water and it's more then I can stand

msore
10-31-2014, 04:04 PM
I'm busy having a fight msore. otherwise i'd be all in :)

Well, sure. AFTER the fight is the time to write it!

msore
10-31-2014, 04:08 PM
.
be sure to bring your glassses
anywhere you go
cause he just might pop up anywhere
you never ever know



I made a list of my regrets
I closed my eyes is it over yet?
I got your note but I can't reply
It's cold in the water and it's more then I can stand

Both are good because they combine humor, pathos, cleverness and raw truth.

Jorgen
10-31-2014, 04:43 PM
... Also, possibly the best lyrcist around here ever was Wadosy.
I agree, he was something else. Some of his lines were out of this world.

sammydix
10-31-2014, 05:35 PM
"Out of all the mud puddles we could've dirtied up,
how was ours not messed up by doubt?"

"from fifty feet away
cowboy girls flouncin"
(just picturing it was enough)

"There's sleet on the ground
And that deafening sound
Is a heart beat that desperately needs to escape this routine"

msore
10-31-2014, 07:14 PM
Sam, put the lyrics from your last one up here, if that's okay.

sammydix
10-31-2014, 07:26 PM
so this it
i know that i'm not welcome here
(please don't slam the door)
ignoring worked
i'm packing all my things to go
(time to disappear)
You don't know the difference
of "mean" and "being real"

(time to close it up)
and let it all go
(to me it seems abrupt)
but you've always known

(i've heard your secret plans)
and they don't fit mine
(you'll never understand)
or is it just my kind?

i won't be missed
but neither will the things you say
(a benefit to both)

i must insist
i had the best intentions here
(but things got turned around)

no matter what i say
it's taken the wrong way

time to close it up
and let it all go
to me it seems abrupt
but you've always known
i've heard your secret plans
and they don't fit mine
you'll never understand
is it just my kind?

so this is all
enjoyed my stay for what it's worth
i even had a laugh

are you happy now?
i sincerely hope you are
then i have done my deed

this thing has gotten old
i lay my hands and fold

time to close it up
and let it all go
to me it seems abrupt
but you've always known
i've heard your secret plans
and they don't fit mine
you'll never understand
is it just my kind?

msore
10-31-2014, 07:31 PM
How many of us have been embarrassed and then crushed by the great lyrics in such maudlin songs as -->

When a Man Loves a Woman (Percy Sledge)
Love Me Tender (Elvis)
When I Fall In Love (Nat King Cole, and the Lettermen)
Til There Was You (Music Man)
At Last (Etta James)
Crazy (Willie Nelson - sung by Patsy)
Midnight Train to Georgia (Gladys Knight)
You Can't Take That Away from Me (by the famous [?!] Akers and Weaver)

and the incomparable ...

Just Another Silly Love Song (by Paul McC)

[edit] That last one was a slam, not serious. Sorry. Or maybe a reminder that maudlin can be deadly.

Garrick
10-31-2014, 08:34 PM
Well, sure. AFTER the fight is the time to write it!

aye aye captitan :)

can't shoot em

Garrick
10-31-2014, 11:57 PM
Hmph. I don't do lyrics.

Also, possibly the best lyricist around here ever was Wadosy. Of course he was also a terrible alcoholic and pissed off lots of people.

Oh well, at least we still have Garrick and Jorgen :p

haha. yay.

interesting you say that about wadosy. Jens is a pretty nifty lyricist and also pisses lots of people off, in a smug prick kinda way.

interesting.

interesting indeed.

*Jens if you're reading this, i'm sorry you have to find out this way. I'm sure you're a darling little kitten when no ones looking

Garrick
11-01-2014, 03:44 AM
No lovey dovey lyrics on my plate at the moment msore but I did quick cover of a Keith sykes song "Coast of Marseilles"

https://app.box.com/s/lysqm8jm7bmhp8ym6q5q

flickervetigo
11-01-2014, 09:43 AM
i got some songs about old men from 30 or 40 years ago, generally sympathetic...

now that I'm an old man myself, I don't like them

they sound like self-pity, maudlin...

for instance...

.
his fingers wave in endless circles when he talks now
his big old voice has turned into a croak
his heart is just as big as it ever was
but I sure do hate to see his spirit brok

it aint fun to count all those busted dreams
and hard luck schemes that seemed so good back then
bout all he's got to show for a gool old fashioned try
is some memories and a couple good old friends
.

it's a combination of hard livin and hard women
made him what you see sittin there today
if he'd played it a little bit safer he'd be a different man today
but he wasn't wone to play the game that way
.


this old bar is pretty much his home now
it's better than that eight by ten room
forgotten hopes hangin with the cobwebs on the wall
nothing left cept to drink up the afternoon
.

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I don't know... maybe it's okay to write cornball songs if it's clear they're about somebody else, but if they turn out to be about you, that's not so good

msore
11-01-2014, 03:44 PM
Good lyrics. No, really good, Flick.

Just pretend that they are about someone else. And a lot of someone elses will identify with em.

flickervetigo
11-01-2014, 05:06 PM
thanks, msore

i'll record those songs when I get a handle on new equipment... I may have the final version of the wiring done... I hope so, only one cable left


meanwhile, if anyone wants to put music to any of that stuff, have at it

Timothy Lawler
11-01-2014, 07:44 PM
This thread is a good read. Thanks msore.

flickervetigo
11-06-2014, 02:56 PM
hard livin, hard women... lyrics above

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/hard-livin-hard-women

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learned a couple things I should not have had to lern again...

first, you can do "save output" as an MP3... I missed that option before

second, this behringer fca1616 has input inserts... I'd forgotten you can use input inserts as direct outs... google it... but it boils down to inserting a normal 1/4 inch mono cable one click, or using a TRS plug with the tip and ring terminals soldered together..., you can plug that in all the way

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there's a lot wrong with this performance.. if you want to rub it in, feel free

hamish
11-06-2014, 03:43 PM
hard livin, hard women... lyrics above

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/hard-livin-hard-women

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learned a couple things I should not have had to lern again...

first, you can do "save output" as an MP3... I missed that option before

second, this behringer fca1616 has input inserts... I'd forgotten you can use input inserts as direct outs... google it... but it boils down to inserting a normal 2/4 inch mono cable one click, or using a TRS plug with the tip and ring terminals soldered together..., you can plug that in all the way

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there's a lot wrong with this performance.. if you want to rub it in, feel free

Hey man, whatever might be wrong with this performance, I don't feel like 'rubbing it in', I'd rather say that your band sounds pretty OK, and the tune too. Best produced thing I've heard from you.

flickervetigo
11-06-2014, 04:33 PM
Hey ...Best produced...



thanks, Hamish...

makes a big difference to be able to tweak the FX after you've recorded a track

...but everybody's playing straight through from beginning to end... I got to learn how to arrange

.
have you listened to blake shelton's "neon light"?... one chord, D, all the way... how'd they do that? ...easy to play along with, though

a heartbreak song that's a million miles from maudlin

morgon
11-07-2014, 08:59 PM
This [wip, ways to go yet]] somewhat ballad [verses] + R&B [choruses] I left the jam part at the finish, duplicated leads etc [last 30 secs] as is atm

Maudlin? idk.


https://app.box.com/s/l69s032xuajgkljg0mz2

hamish
11-07-2014, 09:40 PM
I think with the rompin' guitar wranglin' it can't be maudlin for very long... hmm, can you channel some Garry Moore maybe?

morgon
11-08-2014, 03:22 AM
I think with the rompin' guitar wranglin' it can't be maudlin for very long... hmm, can you channel some Garry Moore maybe?Well hopefully [I wish], very good suggestion, G Moore was fantastic at that [yes of course he was quite good at channelling Gary Moore inc sentimental vibes in rock format as well] Corridors of Power album for example, I will keep that in mind, thanks Hamish.

barrymk
11-08-2014, 06:39 AM
HE FORGOT HER AT THE DROP OF A SMILE
TOOK THE PLANE TO FORTUNE AND FAME
AND THE LIMO DOWN THE MIRACLE MILE
THERE WAS A WORLD TO CONQUER AND TAME


SHE LOOKED FOR THE PIECES OF HER BROKEN HEART
AS SHE WATCHED HIM LEAVE THE DUSTY LITTLE TOWN
AND FOUND THAT HE’D LEFT WITH THE BIGGEST PART
AND THAT’S WHEN HER WORLD CAME DOWN

msore
11-08-2014, 01:47 PM
Hey flick (wadosy?) - heartbreak can be maudlin as long as there is a hint of better days coming. In fact I think Gary Moore did a bunch of songs like that (You Can't Fool the Blues). Always looking for the silver lining and a better day.

On the other hand, the down in the dumps songs that are hopeless to the point of pure desperation - those are not mauldin. Like real blues songs - Stone's Satisfaction, and R Johnson's Hellhound.

flickervetigo
11-08-2014, 07:42 PM
...Always looking for the silver lining and a better day...

we seem to be a maudlin species with delusions of grandeur

.

Selena Gomez - The Heart Wants What It Wants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij_0p_6qTss

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the effects on that song are breathtaking... makes you momentarily glad to be human

msore
11-08-2014, 08:49 PM
Selena Gomez - The Heart Wants What It Wants


Not very human at all. Very teenage. Very celebrity. Very staged. Sorry. This is not romantic. This is soap opera - loaded up with superficiality, repetition, flatness and exaggeration.


have you listened to blake shelton's "neon light"?... one chord, D, all the way... how'd they do that? ...easy to play along with, though

a heartbreak song that's a million miles from maudlin


How many songs has he done like this? OMG. Easy is right. Formula.

Here is a great romantic song, done in heartfelt simplicity, combining universality with imagination. And melody. And songwriting. And heart-string-yankin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Mse62NFl4

This one is campy-maudlin, and somehow - in spite of its faults - it is touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAbOpiAKi8

Another by the king when he was the king. He was one mauldlin mother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FO9GgysXlw

flickervetigo
11-08-2014, 09:01 PM
Not very human at all. Very teenage. Very celebrity. Very staged. Sorry. This is not romantic. This is soap opera - loaded up with superficiality, repetition, flatness and exaggeration.

when the marketing people are aiming her at teenage American girls, what can you expect?

for those of you who believe in the ultimate light at the end of the tunnel, the effects on this song are what heaven sounds like

msore
11-08-2014, 09:14 PM
when the marketing people are aiming her at teenage American girls, what can you expect?


But that is what robs it, sucks it dry, and leaves it pretending to be romantic when it is "aimed" packaged vacuousness.

sez me.

flickervetigo
11-08-2014, 09:21 PM
But that is what robs it, sucks it dry, and leaves it pretending to be romantic when it is "aimed" packaged vacuousness.

sez me.

well, that's why you got to learn to ignore the words and the pictures... just listen to heaven...

.

I wonder wht these little girls are up to... surely they see this stuff for what it is...

you got to wonder if they see the handwriting and will do whatever it takes to pile up enough cash to ... what? ...rent land from the gush family in jparaguay?

flickervetigo
11-09-2014, 12:38 AM
anyhow, here's that glasses song, "the light is awful poor"

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/light-is-awful-poor

msore
11-09-2014, 12:28 PM
well, that's why you got to learn to ignore the words and the pictures... just listen to heaven...

I wonder wht these little girls are up to... surely they see this stuff for what it is...

you got to wonder if they see the handwriting and will do whatever it takes to pile up enough cash to ... what? ...rent land from the gush family in jparaguay?

yeah. Money fools the best as well as the worst of us. And style too. That's about money, in a consumerist way. It is painfully hard for young people to see beyond the style they have chosen to follow. It becomes a cage that people don't wanna free themselves from.

Perhaps it takes a while for folks to see some styles coming and going to get beyond the transient authority of what is 'cool' right now. So I ask. What is there that continues in its truth and appeal and musical 'force' after you have been through a few generations of fads?

Love songs? True romance, not of the teenybopper flavor.

Appreciating a well-crafted love song that transcends style is what leads young people (who are growing up) to get out of the pop world, and into musical history. Teenagers are not likely to think about the appeal of their parents' or grandparents' music. But there are lots of young people nowadays who are appreciating old style romantic songwriting. Kids are learning about big-band and swing (along with the dancing). Kids are learning that rockers really can pull off love ballads (like Rod Stewart, or Norah Jones, or Amy Winehouse).

Kids are learning that all of the themes they THOUGHT were teenage themes have been tried out and worked out by several generations before them. The "bad-boy" attitude is nothing new - look at Bo Diddley, and Robert Johnson and the jive-jazz of Louis Jordan. Neither is the "bad-girl" theme - look at Janis Joplin and Bessie Smith.

And then there are other cultures and languages.

With a big perspective like that, the fakery of current top-40 styles is quickly seen through. And as more and more young people see through it, they start to see which themes and what stylings are long-lasting.

flickervetigo
11-09-2014, 12:59 PM
..Kids are learning...

well, the song below is kinda interesting... Justin timberlake song, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, drum box, and those fifth harmony girls... supposedly live, although I'm suspicious of that

boyce avenue, fifth harmony, covering "mirror"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvEZUbzqqyM

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60 million hits on youtube in a year and a alf... which is pretty impressive until you realize that selena gomez got 12 million hits in the last couple days on that "heart" song

but it's good to see some interest in acoustic, live music seems to be surviving... if the doomers are right, that's what we'll have to rely on after the gold rush

msore
11-09-2014, 05:48 PM
What is the nature of those "melodic" lines?

Like those of Blake Shelton, they are phoned in, rhythmic, indistinguishable, and totally lacking in melodic character. They are BACKGROUND riffs not melody. They go nowhere, lead nowhere, have no direction and no emotion, in spite of all the hand-waving and grimacing by the singers. Add up all those riffs - trying to pass as melody - and what you get is same, same and more of same.

How is more of same to be confused with "romantic"? If you are in bed, or on a date, or in a relationship, and the other person is just phoning in the same riff over and over, without any development, without any tenderness, would you be romantically attracted? I don't think so.

This shit (and the disney version of Selena's fake R&B) is about as romantic as a pinball machine. About as emotional or maudlin as the ringing of the cash register at Target. It is as melodic as someone playing notes on a goddam iPhone, over and fucking over again. Do it four times, or 32 times and you can call it a song?

Fuck that shit.

Sorry, flick, nothing against you. I just don't find corporate fake shit as convincing as what has successfully come across as romantic over the decades and centuries.

Garrick
11-10-2014, 02:02 AM
This is not maudlin my muso friends but it be sappy. I've been working on a super maudlin song that I showed msore a few weeks ago but nothings come of it yet, but I dusted off one of those tunes that got filed away years ago and wrote these lyrics to it. It's the third draft and i'm sure there's a few re writes to go but you get the picture :)

THERE WERE SHARKS IN THE DARK
I FORGOT WHERE I LEFT THE GUN
LET'S JUST UNDERSTAND
THAT WAS DONE AND GONE
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

AND I BET IF WE ASKED
GOD WOULD GIVE US A BRAND NEW START
A SHOOTING STAR OF LOVE
WE COULD EVER WANT
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

(CHORUS)
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID
BE AFRAID
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID

AND I LAUGH DONT KNOW WHY
IT WAS SO GOOD I COULDN'T FUCK IT UP
WELL BABY PRAISE JESUS I'M ALL YOUR'S
YOU SHOULD NEVER FEAR
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

(CHORUS)
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID
BE AFRAID
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID

I'll lay down a track so you can hear it

hamish
11-10-2014, 03:51 AM
I don't know, doesn't sound sappy to me, sounds more like brilliance Garrick. Up there with flickervetigo.

Garrick
11-10-2014, 04:32 AM
I don't know, doesn't sound sappy to me, sounds more like brilliance Garrick. Up there with flickervetigo.

Thank you Hamish!, high praise :)

It's more happy sappy.

here she be
https://soundcloud.com/garrick-northover/dont-be-afraid-demo

flickervetigo
11-10-2014, 06:36 AM
my final entry in the maudlinity sweepstakes goes like this....

.

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you been round the world a couple times
but you just dont talk like you'd go around again
you've seen those hong kong lights
happy nipper neon nights
and the country boy is wearin kinda thin

.
honkytonks hit parades fancy ladies by the score
seems like it's gettin dumber every day
but it aint many years til the glamor's gone
and they never really fooled you anyway

.
and it's been maryjane in the mornin
drunk in the afternoon
rotgut food that a man cant choke down
you know it'll kill you soon
if it dont get you straightened out
and i guess you're all done travelin round

.
you left a part of yourself
every place you've ever been
after while you gotta save someplace for you
it's time for good old friends
and a woman that you love
a humble life that's filled iwth humble news

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and it's been maryjane in the mornin... etc etc

msore
11-10-2014, 09:30 AM
This is not maudlin my muso friends but it be sappy....

Those lyrics, GN, are nicely sappy. One thing that saves it is the vagueness, which allows for everyone listening to key in with their own experience.

I think that in songwriting, details are tricky. Sometimes you need details to give color and reality, but sometimes putting in the wrong details or the wrong level of detail can make it sound silly. General is more romantic.

Garrick
11-10-2014, 12:34 PM
Those lyrics, GN, are nicely sappy. One thing that saves it is the vagueness, which allows for everyone listening to key in with their own experience.

I think that in songwriting, details are tricky. Sometimes you need details to give color and reality, but sometimes putting in the wrong details or the wrong level of detail can make it sound silly. General is more romantic.

Thanks for that feedback msore and I think you're spot on, I need to find the right level of detail for the listener to really hook in, as highlighted in flicker's lyrics, full of detail. I'll try to get rid of the word "it" when I get around to doing a rewrite.

@flickerV very cool lyrics, I learnt a lot comparing your lyrics with mine. it shows where I can grow as a writer. cheers

flickervetigo
11-10-2014, 01:22 PM
...detail...

the guys at the LA songwriters showcase kept yapping about "pictures"... details that the listener could see and occupy... but that was before MTV, the internet and youtube

I wonder if that visual aspect is as important now when lots of people are getting the pictures from youtube...

don't know...

Garrick
11-10-2014, 01:58 PM
the guys at the LA songwriters showcase kept yapping about "pictures"... details that the listener could see and occupy... but that was before MTV, the internet and youtube

I wonder if that visual aspect is as important now when lots of people are getting the pictures from youtube...

don't know...

I think it still applies, and I'd like to think that the long playing album isn't dead.

My teenage step son's still quote lyrics to each other so all is not lost :)

I suspect there's some kinda resistance when writing details in lyrics for fear that it gets pinned down and found out that I haven't much to say. lol

I could try writing a laundry list of the five senses, that could help but I feel that could blunt somehow following instinct, I suppose it's a balance

flickervetigo
11-10-2014, 03:34 PM
I think it still applies...

yes, if you're writing a real song... but then there's "gangnam style" (over two billion hits on youtube... no pictures at all except for the video) and "bad romance", which I listened to for hours at a time, trying to figure it out, but I cant remember a single line except something about "I want your disease"...

but I dididnt start paying attention to the words until I started trying to write--up until then, music was strictly a goosebump thing, and it didn't matter if it was Beethoven or the kingstong trio-- and I didn't start trying to write until I was around 30, and then only because this dismal little girl I loved asked why id didn't write my own songs...

she introduced me to the eagles... I'd never heard of them

"I like the way your sparkling earrings lay...

against your skin so brown"

hamish
11-10-2014, 05:18 PM
here she be
https://soundcloud.com/garrick-northover/dont-be-afraid-demo

Very nice. The tune is as good as I was hoping. I know what msore is saying about the vagueness.

What really got me in is those first two lines:

THERE WERE SHARKS IN THE DARK
I FORGOT WHERE I LEFT THE GUN

Brilliant image. I guess to develop that in 'detail' is exponentially more difficult.

Jorgen
11-10-2014, 05:42 PM
That's beautiful, Garrick. You almost make me cry.

Garrick
11-10-2014, 06:19 PM
Very nice. The tune is as good as I was hoping. I know what msore is saying about the vagueness.

What really got me in is those first two lines:

THERE WERE SHARKS IN THE DARK
I FORGOT WHERE I LEFT THE GUN

Brilliant image. I guess to develop that in 'detail' is exponentially more difficult.Thanks man I don't know where those line came from, my fav line is "praise jesus im all yours" I put it in there having a laugh after a few beers. Funny how my favorite lines start out as a joke.

I got a lot from msore's feedback, I'm starting to think that it doesn't really matter where you take a lyric but more importantly that you actually do take it somewhere.

That's beautiful, Garrick. You almost make me cry. Thank you my friend, I seem to have some fixation on making people cry :D

msore
11-11-2014, 10:05 AM
This morning's love poem. A song? Not yet.

=>

She goes and an hour dies
she returns with her callous ocean
she stays and shares her lotion
she lingers and the day flowers
more lingering and dusk opens.

What am I to do or utter
too many standards unaware
of how restrictive and severe
their fingers are on the throat
while her temptation hovers.

In ages mine and others
whose color and vibrato violate
languages were eradicated
for reasons ungrammatical they
affected our mortalities.

All the tropes of angelic
the motions of her on my chest
the stroke of night's apex
the heaviness of talk of god
she explains with golden hex.

I know all the time is less
waxing more waning than her tide
green I wave at her receding
driftwood not yet dry I am caught
in the sun of her coming back.

flickervetigo
11-11-2014, 02:51 PM
there seems to be an attempt lately to disguise our basic maudlinity with aggression, violence and feigned craziness...

I started laughing when she sharted beating up on his car with a nine iron

didn't quit laughing until the song was way over... the matriarchy's revenge for a thousand years of supposed oppression

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taylor swift, "blank space"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ORhEE9VVg

ten million hits in a daky an a half

morgon
11-13-2014, 07:24 PM
"Was your confessor
In a leap of faith
But it never played out right
Good enough for a second take..."

About some dude overblowing his feelings on a first date with his dream girl, it puts her off but hes genuine and not mental, she gives him a second chance and it works out great, and they live happily ever after. Its not about some dude cheating etc... Just wanted to make that clear * :D




*whatever

flickervetigo
11-13-2014, 09:38 PM
gratuitous violence, motorcycle and special visual effects in a song that's got me crying in my beer over my incurable hillbilly-ness

how's that for maudlin?

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Calvin Harris - Outside ft. Ellie Goulding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NQFACZYEU

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Garrick
11-13-2014, 10:57 PM
Crying in the beer sealed the deal certified steaming maudlin supreme

flickervetigo
11-13-2014, 11:07 PM
...maudlin supreme

you must have meant "maudlin supremO"

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yep, unending resources of maudlinity here, and when I run out of that, I get preachy... such a deal

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meanwhile, I don't think ellie goulding's vocal is gonna save that "outside" song .. the rest of it sounds too sequenced and quantized and repetitive

when the "band" quits for a few seconds at 2:40... oh my...

don't think she can carry the song, though... not with the relentless repetitive bullshit behind her

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flickervetigo
11-14-2014, 12:51 AM
it's a quarter to one in the morning

they're out there trying to scrape the ice off the street

noisy

how do you scrape the noise off your life?

Garrick
11-14-2014, 01:09 AM
how do you scrape the noise off your life?

Ahh the same question has been on my mind, also thinking of aesop, that clever bastard probably had some good advice which I ignored. The Tortoise and the hare. I swear this year he'll win something like a booker or pulitzer.

in answer to your question, slow dooooown

flickervetigo
11-14-2014, 01:22 AM
...slow dooooown

slowing down is part of growing up, then it becomes part of dying

old people get in a hurry because they figure they don't have much time left, but they're slowed down because their systems are deteriorating

you can kinda compensate by ignoring the noise

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seems to be mostly noise, all of it

Jorgen
11-14-2014, 04:28 AM
I've been set free and I've been bound
To the memories of yesterday's clouds
I've been set free and I've been bound

And now I'm set free
I'm set free
I'm set free to find a new illusion

I've been blinded but
Now I can see
What in the world has happened to me
The prince of stories who walk right by me

And now I'm set free
I'm set free
I'm set free to find a new illusion

I've been set free and I've been bound
Let me tell you people
What I found
I saw my head laughing
Rolling on the ground

And now I'm set free
I'm set free
I'm set free to find a new illusion
Songwriters: LOU REED
I'm Set Free lyrics © Spirit One

msore
11-14-2014, 11:43 AM
it's a quarter to one in the morning

they're out there trying to scrape the ice off the street

noisy

how do you scrape the noise off your life?

Selectivity.

Not slowing down per se, by itself. But making choices to get rid of inputs that are mostly noisy (tv, video games, phones, cars, shopping, etc).

Then when it comes to good things (music, art, poetry, love, family, travel, gourmet experiences, etc) you selectively SPEED UP and enjoy those experiences, unsoiled by all the other noisy aspects of modernity.

Garrick
11-14-2014, 12:57 PM
slowing down is part of growing up, then it becomes part of dying

old people get in a hurry because they figure they don't have much time left, but they're slowed down because their systems are deteriorating

you can kinda compensate by ignoring the noise

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seems to be mostly noise, all of it

Sorry, slow down is really this week's lesson for myself as in focus on one thing instead of ten. Probably doesn't apply to what you're talking about

flickervetigo
11-14-2014, 02:11 PM
whatever it is that governs compels me to slow myself down

the governor doesn't seem to trust the system and "success" would be evidence of a character flaw

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my mother, exasperated, says, "you have will, steve!"

my will seems pretty puny

flickervetigo
11-14-2014, 03:35 PM
the boss don't like these dizzy heights
and we're busted in the blinding lights
of closing time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-0lV5qs1Qw

Garrick
11-15-2014, 11:10 PM
So anyway, these details, where do i find them and do they hurt?

flickervetigo
11-15-2014, 11:25 PM
So anyway, these details, where do i find them and do they hurt?


the details are everywhere, aren't they? ...anything maudlin, anything to do with sex, you can make a song out of it...

if you can combine maudlin with sex, you got a hit

idit: these days, if you intend to make a video of the song, it helps to throw in a motorcycles, a female bellybutton or two, a fast car... and violence

and you got to use a mini-helicopter to tape it

Garrick
11-15-2014, 11:39 PM
Ha ha, thought that would be the answer but i wasn't expecting it so soon :D

Maudlin and sex, I'm not sure captain, can it be done?

S pose there's scope, over familiarity, performance of Mr John Thomas, shared bed, kinky secrets....

Ok, sure, it can be done

flickervetigo
11-15-2014, 11:43 PM
"sticky secrets", huh?

that sounds promising


oh my... did I read that wrong or did yu edit "sticky secrets" to "kinky secrets"?

Garrick
11-15-2014, 11:43 PM
Duh !
Of course!
Giving me head on an unmade bed.

L Cohen career is built on maudlin and sex

Garrick
11-15-2014, 11:47 PM
"sticky secrets", huh?

that sounds promising


oh my... did I read that wrong or did yu edit "sticky secrets" to "kinky secrets"?

No it was kinky from the start.,lol

Actually not a bad line Garrick :D

Apart from the lol bit

flickervetigo
11-15-2014, 11:50 PM
here's one of my all-time favorite videos...

sisters of mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBFQg7P5YKw

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it's that expression on Julie chritisie's face in the last few frames

Garrick
11-16-2014, 12:08 AM
That Julie Christie ? Far out

I always imagine Leonard cohen's women to look like characters out of Lawrence Durrell's alexandrian quartet, I've only read justine.
My fav song is famous blue rain coat

Garrick
11-16-2014, 12:13 AM
So "sticky secrets", what's the status on that ?

I dressed in uniform but you never break the law

That's all i got :D

Garrick
11-16-2014, 12:20 AM
Going down the road to get some beers, be right back

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 12:20 AM
I'd never heard of cohen, bought that album with "sisters of mercy" on it at a yard sale for a quarter of something like tht..

but "sisters fo mercy" was one of the songs that convinced me to learn to play bar chords after i found a cohen song book

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but listen to "closing time" again and cout the pictures ...that's become my favorite cohen song...

somehow I burnt out on "Suzanne"...

but that video of "sisters of mercy" is so American... it seems to capture exactly what we think we were

Garrick
11-16-2014, 12:46 AM
I think Cohen is a bit burnt out by Suzanne. More burnt out by hallelujah which had been bastardised to all fucking buggery on x factor

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 12:52 AM
just listened to "famous blue raincoat"... first time I listened all the way through... the video I listened to was seven minutes lng, and by the time the song ended at five minutes, I was dreading another two minutes

about the "sticky secrets"... I cant read very well anymore... I put "sticky" in there, I guess, because tht's wht I expected...

...not having experienced much kinky sex, but sex is always sticky, one way or another

Garrick
11-16-2014, 01:17 AM
Well sisters of mercy and the video channeled some sense of a mythical America.
I don't know why famous blue raincoat did it for me, suppose o don't need to know

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 01:40 AM
...suppose o don't need to know

yeah, that's why I get aggravated with myself for participating in threads like this

I'd be better off, we'd all be better off, if we spent the time writing and less time yapping about other people's songs

"famous blue raincoat" and "hallelujah" must be good songs... if you can listen to them and learn, good, but once you understand the basic idea of songwriting, you don't need to talk about it

if an idea is hot enough to keep you going ong enough to finish the song, good

if you run out of steam and cant make it work, forget it

...keeping in mind that sometimes songs have minds of their own, and if they veer off is some unexpected direction, that might be okay

Garrick
11-16-2014, 01:41 AM
about the "sticky secrets"... I cant read very well anymore... I put "sticky" in there, I guess, because tht's wht I expected...

...not having experienced much kinky sex, but sex is always sticky, one way or another
I'm not sure what the normal quota for kinky sex to know whether i have had a lot or not much but i do know when i try to write lyrics it never crops up.

Sex is in cohen's songs, nick cave not so much, bob Dylan, just a cheeky hint"bent down to tie the laces of my shoes"
Rolling stones, sex sex sex but not maudlin sex, Beatles, not a slither

Garrick
11-16-2014, 01:49 AM
yeah, that's why I get aggravated with myself for participating in threads like this

I'd be better off, we'd all be better off, if we spent the time writing and less time yapping about other people's songs

"famous blue raincoat" and "hallelujah" must be good songs... if you can listen to them and learn, good, but once you understand the basic idea of songwriting, you don't need to talk about it

if an idea is hot enough to keep you going ong enough to finish the song, good

if you run out of steam and cant make it work, forget it

...keeping in mind that sometimes songs have minds of their own, and if they veer off is some unexpected direction, that might be okay

Good post.

And yes i am talking about songwriting instead if doing it, you found me out :D
And also I'm reading an article on nick cave on songwriting instead of doing it.

Good yapping flicker, I'll leave you in peace

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 02:05 AM
just looks to me like sex is pretty much behind everything ..but maybe we've been conditioned to think like that.. freud and and that stuff

it makes a certain amount of sense... if we have to breed to survive, and we, as a species, have to survive until somebody figures out what it's all about...

maybe it's not about anything... that's the scary part... maybe it's only game theory... "do whatever you can get awkay with if it's to your advantage"

beats me

Garrick
11-16-2014, 03:28 AM
I never thought if sex as survival but more of a sub heading of "belonging", suppose that'sa result of a spiritual world view kicking in. That also affects what i think maudlin is and isn't, sex it's there but a couple of levels removed. Having said that Leonard Cohen has maudlin fused strongly with sex and he seems to be a pretty spiritual guy. idk, i think of maudlin in a wider context that includes romantic significance,brother hood, mortality, setting suns..etc

msore
11-16-2014, 10:48 AM
I never thought if sex as survival but more of a sub heading of "belonging", suppose that'sa result of a spiritual world view kicking in. That also affects what i think maudlin is and isn't, sex it's there but a couple of levels removed. Having said that Leonard Cohen has maudlin fused strongly with sex and he seems to be a pretty spiritual guy. idk, i think of maudlin in a wider context that includes romantic significance,brother hood, mortality, setting suns..etc

Right on. Good example. Another might be Bob Dylan who got more 'sappy' after he found religion. Think too about how more songs penned by women frame love and sex in terms of 'belonging'.

A verse I wrote the other day has sex in the background, but the foreground is mixed up with life's misery and memory.

Here am I standing around at your gate
stultified wet cold and unsure
ever since the uproar's been a blind date
should I should I not take your detour?

Another example is that old (Percy Mayfield???) song "Send Me Someone to Love". It has god and sin right in there with old fashioned loneliness for a woman.

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 01:25 PM
i bet music got started to attract women... just not in the usual sense of attracting women for sex...

the guys get a eland down, but they cant carry the meat back to camp by themselves, and if they leave it, the hyenas and jackals get it
so they beat on the dead lenad to make noise so the woman can find them... that eland becomes the first drum... and besides that yelling for hours on end is no fun at all..

somebody discovers rhythm and they beat on different parts of the eland to kinda spice up the rhythm... then somebody starts yelling in time with the rhythm, which is more fun the just plain yelling, then someone says, "hey, keep on yelling in that tone of voice while i yell in this other tone of voice"...
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and hat, best beloved, was how the eagles, alison krauss, the beach boys and th emormn tabernacle choir got their harmony

flickervetigo
11-16-2014, 01:37 PM
it's been downhill for music ever since... once the promoters, self-promoters, and mutual self-prmoters got in the act

they realized you can fool some of the people all the time, and with mass marketing, fooling some of the people all the time is good enough to make great grey green greasy gobs of money

...on the banks of the great grey green greasy limpopo river

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itinerant eland hunters and paul simon sing about homelessness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzZu25QukYs

msore
11-16-2014, 08:29 PM
Some nostalgia is good, but it should be put into perspective.

Blues For the Vagabond

When the moon is full
sometimes I miss those days
when I was lonely.
When the moon is full I write songs
about being lonely.
Sometimes I long for that feeling
just enough to feel blue but
not enough to go back to it.

[chorus]
The blues are for the vagabond
to come through and look back upon.
Just because old times want us
we don't have to let them haunt us.

Drinking not enough
sometimes I relive those days
when I knew nothing.
Thinking up the place I always
remember that old dreary house
sometimes I miss that year
of fuss-and-fighting but I never again
want life to be like it was then.

The blues are for the vagabond
to come through and look back upon.
Just because old times want us
we don't have to let them haunt us.


[verse]
Eb6 /// Fm7 ///
C6 /// AbMa7 / G7#5 /
Bb11 /// F9/// Ebdim7 / Gmi7 /
Eb6 /// Fm7 /// Bb6 ///
Ab9 / F9 / Ami7 // Bm Bb / F7 /
C7 /// Eb /// G7 /// Ebdim7 /// Bb7 ///

[chorus]
Ab6 /// Gm7 ///
Gb7 /// C7 ///
Ab6 /// Gm7 ///
Gb7 /// C7 ///

msore
11-19-2014, 09:23 AM
Holy shit, I am getting maudlin. I just wrote a song about horses! I can count on two hands the number of times I have been on a horse, and never gone fast enough to call it a gallop. But they are some kind of strong symbol.


Still Horses


We still see horses in the fields.
What are they good for out there?
A lot of hay and a lot of effort
go into their maintenance and care.
What are they good for out there?

They don't grow up to be doctors.
They don't do anybody much good.
Not like a barn or a tractor.
Pretty somehow but not much good
unless they are all misunderstood.

[chorus]
In small groups out on the prairies
following each other over the passes
a wobbly foal eventually turning
into a stallion splashing across
the river of life and death
like you and me.

After hundreds of generations of humans
we've still got horses in our hearts.
They raise their heads and we whinny.
We dream and they gallop through the arts.
We still have horses in our hearts.

From a distance they may be worthless.
To make friends with one is to know.
Get on one and you start to feel
how helpless you are without her
how you excel when she flows.

In small groups out on the prairies
following each other over the passes
a wobbly foal eventually turning
into a stallion splashing across
the river of life and death
like you and me.