Pre-fader send question

[bennals]

Another question I can't see the answer for in the pdf manual or the wiki or the forum. When muting a track that has a pre-fader send on it, is the send muted as well?

I'd like to use the monitoring facilities on the Metric Halo Console application (near-zero latency) to provide a cue-mix of the direct signal being recorded by the performer but use a reverb bus within Reaper to put some verb in their cans. But if I mute the track or uncheck 'Monitor input' in Reaper that is recording the signal (so the performer isn't getting the direct signal and the slightly delayed signal coming back from Reaper, the send is muted as well even if it's set as pre-fader. I can solo the reverb bus or lower the fader of the recording track in Reaper to achieve what I'm after, but is this the way it should work?

Cheers.

Bill

[semiquaver]

I'm assuming you're not using seperate headphone and control room outputs in which case what you want to do I think is uncheck the master/parent send in the I/O window of the vocal track.

Otherwise, if you have seperate outputs you just set up a headphone sub and don't route the vocal to it. You can route a pair of DAW outputs to the monitor output on the MIO using the MIO console and use the main outs for your control room source...

[bennals]

Thanks semiquaver.

I guess that means the mute lies before the pre-fade send in the signal path. Different to DP IIRC.

Cheers.

Bill.

[mrelwood]

When muting a track that has a pre-fader send on it, is the send muted as well?

This was quickly checked. The mutes mute all outputs of the channel. I also think it would make more sense to use a send group for the headphones. If hardware outputs are available, that is.

Otherwise think unchecking the output to "Master/parent send" is the best way in your situation.

[bennals]

Yeah, I'll set up a seperate headphone mix from within Reaper so I can monitor a mix of what's already been recorded that is different to what the performer is wanting. I've got hardware outputs 3 and 4 on the MIO going to the cans already and was just giving them a blend of the master channel and the live inputs. If they wanted more or less of something that had already been recorded then I just copped that change in the control room as well. Bit lazy I guess.

What I would really like is some sort of option that would automatically mute any armed channel's direct output while keeping it's sends active whenever you go into record. When not in record, the direct output would be unmuted so they could hear what they had just recorded. Then I could be real lazy! That would also prevent the situation where I forget to mute the track in Reaper and we have to stop and start again because of the phase misalignment problems.

I wonder if some sort of extension or macro could accomplish this? Maybe on the PC side?

While we're on the topic, what do others feel is a low enough hardware buffer (and hence latency) in Reaper to not even worry about setting up hardware monitoring and just doing it all withing Reaper? It would vary from performer to performer I imagine, but what have others found?

Cheers.

Bill.