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Originally Posted by EricTbone
Right, but always moving all affected data (including partial items) handles that case, too.
What we're talking about is the case where there is an item and Reapers move automation data out from under that item. You said "there are scenarios when it makes great sense". I'm trying to think of some and can't.
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Right, but you can also have stuff INSIDE the bus/folder/vca tracks if you want to (or by accident), due to the agnostic track system in Reaper (which is great BTW), in which case we run into the scenario when there MAY or MAY NOT be items inside the track, and so the condition that it currently sets is to universally move any data that starts AFTER the leading edge of the selected item, period. So for me, it makes complete sense as-is.
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Originally Posted by EricTbone
That's a great idea, but not a slam dunk solve because they are more limited:
- Can't be used for track FX.
- Gluing items destroys track envelopes.
- Can't use automation items or LFOs.
- Editing them can be a bit quirky. I routinely put ReaControlMIDI on MIDI items so I can draw pitch changes via a take FX envelope, and run into issues likes node not getting deselected when they should. I have to use right-click menu far more when editing take envelopes. Fairly minor issue, though.
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All great points, and I agree, take envelopes are not a slam dunk for Andy. Just another option to help out.
And he could move some track fx to item/take FX BTW... and yes, they are more fiddly, and yes, they would require some changes to his workflow.
There is no perfect solution.
I think the FR for an option is a great direction though. Like I said, adding more power to the Ripple Edit modes is awesome, I'm all for it. I do like your suggestion of the auto-split as an option... that's pretty good. But it will create its own set of headaches and messes. Lots of little bits and pieces of items all over the place if you get sloppy.
In any case, bottom line is that there are several ways to skin a cat, and you/we have to pick the workflow that works best for us. I guess I'm so used to the way the Ripple Edit modes work, that I've just got into the habit of splitting, being very careful at edit points, double-checking things (incl automation if I have a lot of it), using the different ripple modes, etc... when I contrast this to doing something similar in Cubase, for example, Reaper is MUCH faster and less prone to headaches. But it's not perfect.