Thanks for the advice guys,
i tried the volume envelope and it worked but i still think that is defeating the purpose of 64bit, either way i'm reducing the volume to prevent clipping rather than allowing the DAW to do its 64bit, in-the-red but no clipping magic without any help from me.
The advantage is i dont have to worry about clipping, but if i use a volume envelope i still have to find the clipping and reduce the volume to compensate which i wouldnt have to spend time working out if i could simply put a compressor/limiter post-fader.
The Jesusonic volume plugin is very good, its what i'll use for now but id still prefer to use as little plugins as possible - old computer and i feel every time you process audio, you lose something.
Sorry if im being too picky, just seems like an easy solution to save extra hassle at mixdown and a dither should be post-fader.
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