v4: SWS/S&M Extension

[Garrick]

Originally Posted by nofish

Damn, this rocks !
Graphical tempo mapping, warp grid style.



Thank you !

(sorry for the a bit clumsy gif, just to get it across)

This is fantastic.

Also the new website is looking pretty swanky

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by nofish

Damn, this rocks !
Graphical tempo mapping, warp grid style.



Thank you !

(sorry for the a bit clumsy gif, just to get it across)

Whoa!!! cool

[matthewjumpsoffbuildings]

Originally Posted by Jeffos

this crash should be fixed when REAPER 4.61 will be out, or now with v4.61pre8+ (can you confirm?)
it's not due to the startup action but to the screenset part of it....

oh cool. i noticed in my screenset bug report that Justin was taking a look at the screenset code, regarding the fact screensets arent remembered when you restart Reaper. glad to hear its being looked into, ill check the pre soon as i can

[diegux]

SWS/BR: Move closest (measure) grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)


THANKS.
So much.
This will make my everyday work so much easier.

[nofish]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

Whoa!!! cool

It definitely is.

However, as said in the announcement, the creation of mass undo points is...impressive.

Any chance this could be refined a bit in the future, so it would only create one undo point for each inserting/moving.

I'd suspect the SWS guys would have probably done this way already if possible, so probably that's a thing Cockos could have a look at ?

[airon]

Originally Posted by nofish

Damn, this rocks !
Graphical tempo mapping, warp grid style.



Thank you !

(sorry for the a bit clumsy gif, just to get it across)

Bloody hell, that's just what I've always wanted for tempo mapping a recording.

Thanks guys.

The undo problem is the same I sometimes have when I do a custom action that "Selects Item under cursor, Place edit cursor, Creates FadeIn, Change FadeInshape to Linear". I keep the button pressed down as I move the mouse cursor, and undoing that sometimes takes a little while .

Maybe a Cockos thing with "Create undo points on repeating actions only after 300 ms after last action triggered" for example, or the extension itself handles that.

[Breeder]

Originally Posted by nofish

Any chance this could be refined a bit in the future, so it would only create one undo point for each inserting/moving.

I'd suspect the SWS guys would have probably done this way already if possible, so probably that's a thing Cockos could have a look at ?

Originally Posted by airon

Maybe a Cockos thing with "Create undo points on repeating actions only after 300 ms after last action triggered" for example, or the extension itself handles that.

I had some hacks in mind to solve this, can't tell yet if it's doable and 100% reliable, we'll see.

[TheWhistler]

Originally Posted by nofish

Damn, this rocks !
Graphical tempo mapping, warp grid style.



Thank you !

(sorry for the a bit clumsy gif, just to get it across)

Hello, I am highly interested in this kind of editing. Thing is I can´t get it working.

I can´t find the action: SWS/BR: Move closest (measure) grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)
Is it possible that this action is still beta?

[nofish]

^^^

Yes it is.
Go to SWS site

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/reaper

and scroll down a bit for the v2.4.0 #4 beta.

(Damn if I had known this gif gets quoted so often, I've made it not quite so clumsy )

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by Breeder

I had some hacks in mind to solve this, can't tell yet if it's doable and 100% reliable, we'll see.

I'm hoping that with all the bits Justin and Schwa have been adding in this manner lately they might be able to make this action work without undo somehow if we all ask them nicely?

This has been missing from reaper for years and this brilliant command just needs a little help from the devs.

[mwe]

SWS/BR: Move closest grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)
SWS/BR: Move closest (measure) grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)

Very impressive. Would it be possible to add actions to move to the edit cursor as well?

[Breeder]

Originally Posted by Breeder

I had some hacks in mind to solve this, can't tell yet if it's doable and 100% reliable, we'll see.

The trick worked! So it should all be fixed in the next build (no multiple undo points, smoother reaction to mouse movements, no accidental edit of surrounding grids if moving the mouse too fast)
Sorry for not working it out sooner.

Originally Posted by mwe

Would it be possible to add actions to move to the edit cursor as well?

Sure!

Originally Posted by nofish

^^^
Damn if I had known this gif gets quoted so often, I've made it not quite so clumsy

I was going to use it for the wiki if you don't mind

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by nofish

Damn, this rocks !
Graphical tempo mapping, warp grid style.



Thank you !

(sorry for the a bit clumsy gif, just to get it across)

Awesome!

[nofish]

Originally Posted by Breeder

I was going to use it for the wiki if you don't mind

Haha, if you want by all means go ahead, but I'd also make a nicer one for the Wiki.

[X-Raym]

@heda @Jeffos
RSS feed : I think heda as the simpler solution. It's not RSS, but... it does the job :P thanks !

@nofish
Your GIF is already perfect

[plamuk]

hahaah did you guys really have to add this AFTER i finished my tempo change riddled live set?

looks beautiful, can't wait to try it.

[X-Raym]

It would be so awesome with a comparisonics waveform display (or other Frequency dependent colored peaks algorythm, DJ software style)

feature request already posted here :P

[Anton9]

Originally Posted by Breeder

The trick worked! So it should all be fixed in the next build (no multiple undo points, smoother reaction to mouse movements, no accidental edit of surrounding grids if moving the mouse too fast)
Sorry for not working it out sooner.

Please tell me this will be released soon...

[TheWhistler]

Originally Posted by nofish

^^^

Yes it is.
Go to SWS site

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/reaper

and scroll down a bit for the v2.4.0 #4 beta.

(Damn if I had known this gif gets quoted so often, I've made it not quite so clumsy )

Scrolling down.....ahhh. The SWS-site doesn´t look like as there would be anything else down there. Thank you. Now it works.
This is very cool.

[Jae.Thomas]

hi!

I successfully grid-warped a tune before using this new action:

Move Closest measure grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)

but the best thing would be to use the playback cursor to make these actions - you could literally just play the song back and tape to the measures....

[X-Raym]

@Jason
Use the action "Move closest (measure) grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)" with the "Tempo Mapping 101" workflow could be a good solution

[musicbynumbers]

Just want to say that the move to closest tempo etc.. commands are awesome! Just tried them out and they make short work of mapping most things I threw at it!

I even mapped it to a mouse modifier (little bit touchy but it worked!)

Thanks for this!

[Jae.Thomas]

Originally Posted by X-Raym

@Jason
Use the action "Move closest (measure) grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)" with the "Tempo Mapping 101" workflow could be a good solution

I am not exactly sure how that would work.... would it be converting markers to grid lines?!!?

[X-Raym]

@jason
no, it just moves the tempo marker (and so, the grid line) - but not the other markers
The idea is to make a ruff aproxmiation with Tempo Mapping 101 worklow and fine tune with the new SWS action.
This can be good for tracks with a lot of tempo signature changes.
But if you found better worklow, feel free to share :P

[Jae.Thomas]

do you have a workflow you could share?

[poplomop]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

do you have a workflow you could share?

Automatically scroll view during playback
Continuous scrolling

Tap tempo to get an approximate tempo.

Arm mouse with "SWS/BR: Move closest grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)" from a toolbar button.

Push play. Align the mouse cursor with the playback cursor (Automatically scroll view during playback) and click on the beats with the mouse. Don't click directly on the waveform because it stops the scrolling for some reason.

[Jae.Thomas]

that keeps jumping around in playback

[X-Raym]

I'll make you a video of my worklow tomorrow.

[Jae.Thomas]

really helpful, thank you...

everytime I drop a marker, everything skips ahead a bit

[poplomop]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

that keeps jumping around in playback

Maybe try mapping a key to "SWS/S&M: Left mouse click at cursor position (use w/o modifier)" then position the mouse over the play cursor and then tap the mapped key while the song is playing.

[Jae.Thomas]

if I do it more manually, I still have the problem of the first measure SUDDENLY popping into tempo. I need to be able to add a tempo marker previous, but for some reason that tempo marker is never the right bpm, and when I make it a clsoer BPM, it moves the others.

here's two examples of tempo mapping from today:

https://soundcloud.com/jasonbrianmerrill/tempomap2-file

https://soundcloud.com/jasonbrianmerrill/tempomap (ignore the stuck midi note lol)

[poplomop]

Those are awesome I'm retiring from music now.

[Jae.Thomas]

Originally Posted by poplomop

Those are awesome I'm retiring from music now.

those were messing around... lol. don't retire. we need you.

what do you mean to map that key?!?!? do I map it WITH the other action?

[poplomop]

I mean make a shortcut key for "SWS/S&M: Left mouse click at cursor position (use w/o modifier)" in the actions list. (Not sure of correct terminology.) I made the "/" key be a shortcut key for "SWS/S&M: Left mouse click at cursor position (use w/o modifier)" and then mouse click with the key instead of the mouse. With the mouse cursor placed right on top of the play cursor. (But not right over the waveform because that stops the scrolling.)

[Jae.Thomas]

ahhh so arm it, and then use that in place of the mouse. gotcha and thanks!

[Jae.Thomas]

that still jerks around the playback so that it skips around too much...

[poplomop]

I guess it's not precise enough then. (Still needs manual fine tuning and the first few measures need manual adjusting.) Dropping markers on the beats and then converting project markers to tempo markers seems more precise (but still they need some manual fine tuning afterward.)

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

that still jerks around the playback so that it skips around too much...

I think there was a preference somewhere for making it so adding a tempo marker didn't change the playback position but no idea where it is sorry. I might be dreaming it!

I also recall there being a way to extract tempo by recording a single midi note played in time to the beats of the audio you want mapped. I know this is how some other DAWs do it and I'm sure someone put a video up for this.

I did find that the new "move closest.." method was fast and awesome though!

[heda]

yes... you can record a new track midi with single notes on the measure beats. Then use SWS action to convert midi notes to markers.. then use convert markers to tempo. It is all described in the wiki.

[Breeder]

Originally Posted by poplomop

Arm mouse with "SWS/BR: Move closest grid line to mouse cursor (may create tempo marker)" from a toolbar button.

Hmm...that won't work in the next update due to the new logic for setting undo/smoother mouse movement. I'll have another look to see if it's solvable

Grid to play position...ok, that's interesting but I don't see how much different it is than using SWS/BR: Convert project markers to tempo. We can try it though for the next build.