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Old 08-08-2019, 08:05 PM   #41
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What happens if I just keep using Windows 7? Will I be risking losing data or viruses etc.? I'd prefer not to have to learn a new OS if I can avoid it. If it's unavoidable though, what is the best linux distro for running Reaper and do they come with WINE and JACK etc. pre installed? I really hate Windows 10 and can't face the idea of caving into it, but linux seems complicated and I'm having trouble deciding what to do. I'm wondering if I should just disconnect my computers from the internet to reduce risk and just keep running Windows 7 indefinitely.
Microsoft will take your money if you want security updates after this year, for up to 3 years at a higher fee for each consecutive year. After that, or without the extended support starting Jan 1st 2020, yes - the only way to be safe is to stay disconnected. So you'll never want another plugin? Don't cave. There was a time Reaper seemed complicated to you, I bet. Or routing sends or setting up your interface or using a compressor or playing an instrument.

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I offered the built (latest) SWS files knowing how chicken you are about building things. But no good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
My aversion to building stuff in Linux is that the source usually ends up dependent on additional libraries that I don't have and don't want to devote the time necessary to find them when I could be recording or composing something. I do appreciate your offer, but I've never needed the stuff that SWS adds to REAPER.
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My aversion to building stuff in Linux is that the source usually ends up dependent on additional libraries that I don't have and don't want to devote the time necessary to find them when I could be recording or composing something.
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Again, use whatever you want. I just object to your use of strong language that implies SWS is a problem waiting to happen. So is every piece of software, if you look at it under that kind of lens. Any software/plugins/extensions can have bugs and/or incompatibility. SWS goes through "growing pains" once in a while as Reaper matures, but they get ironed out and/or more native actions get added to Reaper.

Currently there are improvements to Reaper's UI efficiency (in the pre-release builds), and some aspects of the API were modified. That broke some compatibility with some aspects of SWS. Justin fixed it within a couple days. All this happened during pre-release dev builds, so the only people who would've noticed are the ones using the pre-release builds. I offered the built (latest) SWS files knowing how chicken you are about building things. But no good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
Exactly. And if you run into problems with Reaper or SWS it's as simple as a few double clicks and you're back to previous versions.

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Again, use whatever you want. I just object to your use of strong language that implies SWS is a problem waiting to happen. So is every piece of software, if you look at it under that kind of lens. Any software/plugins/extensions can have bugs and/or incompatibility. SWS goes through "growing pains" once in a while as Reaper matures, but they get ironed out and/or more native actions get added to Reaper.

Currently there are improvements to Reaper's UI efficiency (in the pre-release builds), and some aspects of the API were modified. That broke some compatibility with some aspects of SWS. Justin fixed it within a couple days. All this happened during pre-release dev builds, so the only people who would've noticed are the ones using the pre-release builds. I offered the built (latest) SWS files knowing how chicken you are about building things. But no good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
I've got nothing against SWS or folks who use it. For the way I work, I simply don't need the SWS extensions or even the majority of native features contained in a virgin install of REAPER for that matter.

I'm also kind of a minimalist which is probably why switching from Windows 7 to Linux was such an easy transition for me.
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I've got nothing against SWS or folks who use it. For the way I work, I simply don't need the SWS extensions or even the majority of native features contained in a virgin install of REAPER for that matter.

I'm also kind of a minimalist which is probably why switching from Windows 7 to Linux was such an easy transition for me.
That's cool. Whatever works in Reaper !
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Microsoft will take your money if you want security updates after this year, for up to 3 years at a higher fee for each consecutive year. After that, or without the extended support starting Jan 1st 2020, yes - the only way to be safe is to stay disconnected. So you'll never want another plugin? Don't cave. There was a time Reaper seemed complicated to you, I bet. Or routing sends or setting up your interface or using a compressor or playing an instrument.

The walled gardens of the corporate world are betting that you're too insecure or lazy or incompetent to declare your independence from them.
The threat of no updates is just scaremongering at this point; just propaganda to make people cave in to Windows 10. The security in Windows 7 has always been rubbish, so I will be exposed to the same risk as I have since I started using Win7 in 2010. Decent up-to-date anti-virus will catch the worst offenders. I've often turned off updates on Windows 7 for months at a time without suffering any major effects.

That said, I'm typing this from a fresh install of Linux Lite on my laptop to see if I can get used to it and get Reaper working on here. I think my main hurdle will be getting all my plugins to work. If all goes well on my laptop, I will bite the bullet and go for it on my main desktop.
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Since watching this i don't feel so bad anymore.
Thanks for the replies guys.
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Since watching this i don't feel so bad anymore.
Thanks for the replies guys.
His 60 days to get used to Linux is about right. For me, most stuff worked right away. A few things took more tweaking, but now a little more than a year since setting up a dual boot Win7/Xubuntu DAW, with the default set to load Linux, when I boot Win7 it feels like the foreign OS to me.
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What happens if I just keep using Windows 7? Will I be risking losing data or viruses etc.? I'd prefer not to have to learn a new OS if I can avoid it. If it's unavoidable though, what is the best linux distro for running Reaper and do they come with WINE and JACK etc. pre installed? I really hate Windows 10 and can't face the idea of caving into it, but linux seems complicated and I'm having trouble deciding what to do. I'm wondering if I should just disconnect my computers from the internet to reduce risk and just keep running Windows 7 indefinitely.
I'd check some long-running 3rd party security softwares,
like Spybot Search & Destroy, to see if they will maintain support.
Then get good at cloning your system, and hopefully you can use a software collection that is easy to reinstall if darkness should fall.
In the long run, having win 7 and a few different linux setups
will enable some experimentation, without fear of catastrophy.
Malware is not omnipresent, and for windows, a network cable
is easy to disconnect. and you can refuse visiting dodgy websites,
only going online to register a must-have product.

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Is Linux immune to the CPU blabla doors and what have we? might as well pull the plug and turn off the phone, move to the forrest and if you go Linux today, is not your past whole life on big brothers/"WATSON's brain anyway already?
I think Linux for music is just waiting for more people to add to the stats so companies see the ohh-lalaah, or something.
Not as much meh's as it used to be, even SmajjL can manage with the wealth of helpfull Linus peoples.
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Is Linux immune to the CPU blabla doors and what have we? might as well pull the plug and turn off the phone, move to the forrest and if you go Linux today, is not your past whole life on big brothers/"WATSON's brain anyway already?
I think Linux for music is just waiting for more people to add to the stats so companies see the ohh-lalaah, or something.
Not as much meh's as it used to be, even SmajjL can manage with the wealth of helpfull Linus peoples.
One of the biggest reasons I switched to Linux was for the CPU microcode updates which patch for things like the Spectre and Meltdown chip level exploits. Windows 7 does NOT do any microcode updating where Windows 10 does, but I don't want to run Windows 10, so I jumped to Linux.

Microcode must be loaded BEFORE the OS even begins to boot and is not written permanently to your CPU, but is rather installed to your computer's RAM, then the CPU is pointed to look for it there, rather than the microcode that is static and on the CPU, so it must be loaded every time, just before the OS begins to boot.

In Linux, to see what vulnerabilities have or have not been mitigated, issue the following command in a terminal window.

grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
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Thanks Glennbo! Time for a dualboot thingie again then, and hope Windows will turn out to be more a Gameing OS and my gameing activity will be all they get!
Although I hear some stuff has happened in that area also on Linux.
Not as hardcore bitter as some, but I actually love Linux enviroment and the community, why not? - so it shall be done!
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Thanks Glennbo! Time for a dualboot thingie again then, and hope Windows will turn out to be more a Gameing OS and my gameing activity will be all they get!
Although I hear some stuff has happened in that area also on Linux.
Not as hardcore bitter as some, but I actually love Linux enviroment and the community, why not? - so it shall be done!
Funny you should say that. The ONLY thing I boot Windows 7 for at this point is a handful of EA racing games on Steam that my kid set me up with for father's day. They might work in Linux, but I haven't setup Steam in Xubuntu to try it yet. Not really a gamer.

I figure at some point I'll need some storage space and will end up nuking the whole 120 GB Win7 side, but for now I'm leaving it just for Steam. Everything involving REAPER I do in Linux.
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Thanks Glennbo! Time for a dualboot thingie again then, and hope Windows will turn out to be more a Gameing OS and my gameing activity will be all they get!
Although I hear some stuff has happened in that area also on Linux.
Not as hardcore bitter as some, but I actually love Linux enviroment and the community, why not? - so it shall be done!
I didn't try myself, but many games seem to work on linux via Wine, On Youtube you can find videos, where people launch games like DOOM (2016) on Ubuntu. Also SteamOS slowly evolving..this will give a big push for gaming on linux.

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Hey Doppel

Ahh yeah, it was this I was thinking about guys, and rFactor2 is Gold? Alright-y-then, must try that also, just hope controllers work also.
https://www.protondb.com/
Must Youtube that, the support list has groooown! dauym

Got f12017 for ex just because they chose to support Linux with that one,
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Actually, it's fun to try to install something, to see how it works in comparison to Windows.
I have found some kind of game manager, called Lutris, which helps to install games.
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I am afraid I am same as you and curious of exploration last time I went totally more nutt'ers than usual and distrohopped like a champ! (moron) totally flipped out heh
Thanks! Did not know about Lutris, what is going on? this is great news!
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In Linux, to see what vulnerabilities have or have not been mitigated, issue the following command in a terminal window.

grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*

So, Linux Mint 19.2 Tina I get this.


/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/l1tf:Mitigation: PTE Inversion
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds:Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Mitigation: PTI
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spec_store_bypass:Mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: conditional, RSB filling


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So, Linux Mint 19.2 Tina I get this.


/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/l1tf:Mitigation: PTE Inversion
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds:Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Mitigation: PTI
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spec_store_bypass:Mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: conditional, RSB filling


Good enough or?
This one caught my eye:

/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds:Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable

According to this site it looks like you have a vulberability with SMT, but it also looks like Linux is clearing the CPU buffers as a backdoor fix for it.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/late...-vuln/mds.html

Edit: Also note that pretty much none of those mitigations would be happening with Windows 7.
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Ok! thanks Glennbo.

I am on Windows 10 otherwise and Linux for music in my case is def possible pretty much, maby get an hardware EQ and a Push2 to replace the (dead brick Maschine Mikro mk2 on Linux) .. nice excuse though.

That proton-mode, experiencing input lag and not as snappy on QuakeLive for ex, but comments on QuakeLive for example suggest it should be OK, hmm, have to rea-search and try stuffs, rFactor2 installed and run ok in forced mode also, but this is bonus stuff, was going to focus on music and that-will-work since I am not to much locked-in with tons of kilograms (terrabytes) of VSTs for Windows either.
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Ok! thanks Glennbo.

I am on Windows 10 otherwise and Linux for music in my case is def possible pretty much, maby get an hardware EQ and a Push2 to replace the (dead brick Maschine Mikro mk2 on Linux) .. nice excuse though.

That proton-mode, experiencing input lag and not as snappy on QuakeLive for ex, but comments on QuakeLive for example suggest it should be OK, hmm, have to rea-search and try stuffs, rFactor2 installed and run ok in forced mode also, but this is bonus stuff, was going to focus on music and that-will-work since I am not to much locked-in with tons of kilograms (terrabytes) of VSTs for Windows either.
Linux DooM ya
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All is good now when using a real-time kernel ya
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i tried Resident Evil 2 remake (2019) through Proton on Pop!_os, installation is as easy as on Windows, but game is not smooth at all, lags and crashed once for me. Sad.. but atleast things started to move, that's great.

I wonder if Pop!_os has Realtime kernel by default, will check, when come home.
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I am having luck with Manjaro and the 4.19.59_rt23-1 kernel.
I hope there is a tiny app switch for the:
echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
On Nvidia X Server I turn off G-Sync and Sync to VBlank, and also if the flavour has any of that stuff in its own system settings/general/Compositor Options (Vsync Method), any usual suspects like those that can be interesting to try.
Ohh, and Nvidia X Server/Powermizer/Prefeer Maximum Performance sound good.

Funny, I am actually Googeling that up myself now, was curious
Ps, not tried your Evil game, but you can go to your game's preferences and add start commands in set launch options, if I could find the list of commands/tweaks would be great.. *doh*
All I got atm.
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I am having luck with Manjaro and the 4.19.59_rt23-1 kernel.
I hope there is a tiny app switch for the:
echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
On Nvidia X Server I turn off G-Sync and Sync to VBlank, and also if the flavour has any of that stuff in its own system settings/general/Compositor Options (Vsync Method), any usual suspects like those that can be interesting to try.
Ohh, and Nvidia X Server/Powermizer/Prefeer Maximum Performance sound good.

Funny, I am actually Googeling that up myself now, was curious
i'm on AMD, bought RX580 month ago, this was nice chance to try it on linux, things should be a little bit better for AMD cards.
Thanks for the info!
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You are welcome!
Also, that is one more wow, Nvidia is actually pushing out drivers, thought they was Linux-alergic, much better today but yeah, AMD is AMD and something good is going on, so cool.
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Maby not the 2019 edition that one but check your other games there also see what status it has and peoples comments.
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For some games run through Proton, setting the environment variable "PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1" can help.
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instruction on steamcommunity + mfplat.dll v12 file from windows 7 helped me, finished a game in 90 minutes - still lags very rarely, but no crashes
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Found a site that shows some how-to RT kernel, this one is for Mint.
https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/linuxmint19-rt.html
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I just moved to Windows 10 from Linux,and i think Windows 7/10 is better than Linux.That is just my opinion.
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The rule is to use what you like, and if that's Windows 10, then use that. I stopped liking Microsoft after their many aggressive and extremely invasive attempts to force me into Windows 10.

Microsoft would figure out that people were blocking their unauthorized installation of Windows 10 and then they would circumvent that method of blocking it. That was the case with them changing the Win10 install from a "Recommended Update" to an "Important Update" or if you had disabled GWX.exe from being installed via KB3035583, then they later include it anyway in another one. One of the final straws for me was when one of my machines got an unwanted Microsoft update containing the Win10 payload and the popup dialog box only offered an "Install this shit now" or "Install this shit later", but no option for "Don't install this shit".

The more ways that they tried to force Windows 10 on me, the more they pushed me into switching every computer in the house (seven currently) to Linux.

Edit: I had forgotten that clicking the "X" behavior was also changed.

"But here’s the icky part: The redesigned GWX pop-up now treats exiting the window as consent for the Windows 10 upgrade."

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3073...upgrading.html
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Just thought, "you should talk to Glennbo"..

Back to Mint! thinking, must learn how to do schtuff myself, Manjaro is to easy..

Installing a low-latency kernel through Synaptic did not brake Nvidia this time.. hmm and, Xcfe has gotten my attention.

Everything i've got does work on Windows 10 yesterday, I give it that, Linux is improving though, nothing bad about that and Linux is fun to mess with (speaking for myself)

Comparing a native Linux vs Native Windows software sounds more fair though.
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I setup xfce on a clean install of Raspbian on my Pi, and it feels noticeably faster than the stock desktop to me. I'm staging the Pi with Kodi to replace a media center PC that's the last Win7 box in the house.
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Even on a power PC I was thinking , why not, feels more pedal to the metal and minimal waste of resources and, looks OK to me for beeing so lightweight.
Want to try the fastest Linux got, and that would be Xfce right?
Ps. with a user interface..
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"But here’s the icky part: The redesigned GWX pop-up now treats exiting the window as consent for the Windows 10 upgrade."
OMG lol. Yeah. As if I weren't already "done" with Windows, I needed to see that.

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Want to try the fastest Linux got, and that would be Xfce right?
I think it's about as fast/light a DE as you can use in Linux, from what I've noticed and what some of my friends have said in their comparisons. That's anecdotal of course.
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OMG lol. Yeah. As if I weren't already "done" with Windows, I needed to see that.
Stuff like that made me totally distrust Microsoft. It's the exact same kind of stuff you would see happening with malware. After tiring of their constant contest with me over who owns the control of MY computer, I broke free of their BS and installed Linux.

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I think it's about as fast/light a DE as you can use in Linux, from what I've noticed and what some of my friends have said in their comparisons. That's anecdotal of course.
Initially I had installed Xubuntu with xfce on an older Core2 Duo because of the lightweight aspect of it, but when I switched my DAW to Linux I found I still preferred xfce, even though I could run a more demanding DE. It does what I need it to do and is really fast on a faster computer.
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About security, Linux does not seem to be immune, or any OS.. so does some choose Debian because of it may be sharp in that area? Downloading a pure Debian now, speaking of pure, saw even Plasma/KDE can have a hole to be fixed (it was fixed) what the heck is the world coming to...

Have had no luck with Debians, but sure it was all on me.. so, and, people are obviously using it..
And yeah, using older flavours that has been around for sssome time might be good idea?
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About security, Linux does not seem to be immune, or any OS.. so does some choose Debian because of it may be sharp in that area?
Part of what makes Linux more secure than say Windows, is that the bulk of what you install comes from the repository that goes with your distro, so it's more of a closed ecosystem. I refrain from adding other repositories unless I know a lot about them, like WineHQ for instance. I also run UFW so each machine has it's own firewall on top of the router's firewall.

As long as you aren't downloading and installing 3rd party stuff that you know little about, and are getting most everything from your distro's repository, you prolly aren't in much danger.

That said, if you've installed Flash in your web browser, and if you are not using any kind of protection against scripting, you could still get some malware running there. I use NoScript and have set Firefox to never accept cookies except for sites that I've specifically white listed, like forum.cockos.com.
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So, know it's an online computer and a tad common sense combo and Linux should be OK
Stumbled on this out of date one, but cool if Ubuntu is doing OK because, I can handle Ubuntu pretty OK'ish now..
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uks-se...e-end-user-os/

That would include trusting ppa's if going there.. everything Ubuntu officially offers including flatpak is checked? so civilians can relax?
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