Old 01-20-2020, 02:57 PM   #1441
Odys
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 102
Default

I don't understand those pink line workarounds, crop them out, scale image, paint them in.
Odys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 03:45 PM   #1442
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odys View Post
I don't understand those pink line workarounds, crop them out, scale image, paint them in.
The problem is being anally retentive; when you resize a PNG you can lose the pixel sharp lines (the perfection).

Here's the 1080p transport, resized from PNGs:



You can see the edges are not perfect. Looks better than I expected though.

When you resize a PSD source file it's not that simple, you have to nudge edges to make them line up and then adjust the layer styling for the smaller scale. We've yet to find an optimised route for the latter method.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 03:52 PM   #1443
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Affinity has this weird thing where it'll resize lines to half a pixel width? I can't figure it out.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:06 PM   #1444
Odys
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 102
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
The problem is being anally retentive; when you resize a PNG you can lose the pixel sharp lines (the perfection).

Here's the 1080p transport, resized from PNGs:



You can see the edges are not perfect. Looks better than I expected though.

When you resize a PSD source file it's not that simple, you have to nudge edges to make them line up and then adjust the layer styling for the smaller scale. We've yet to find an optimised route for the latter method.
I didn't mention "PNG" anywhere and were referring to unnecessary worrying about pink lines like this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot View Post
I've got Affinity and can help scale the images too if there's a clear procedure as to how to do it without messing up the pink lines. If you want help, feel free to PM me.
Odys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:13 PM   #1445
Funkybot
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 892
Default

What method are you using to resize the images in Photoshop? What resampling method are you using if any?
Funkybot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:15 PM   #1446
Funkybot
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odys View Post
I didn't mention "PNG" anywhere and were referring to unnecessary worrying about pink lines like this.
Well I only brought it up because the conversation turned to why a batch resize won't work. Sorry if I added to the confusion. That said, if batch resizing only created the issue of the half-pixel pink lines, I'm pretty sure, it would be easy enough to go in and create 1px wide pink lines over the resulting images.

My point is that I'm thinking there's got to be a good way to get the images to the right size/resolution from the source PSD's, with somewhat minimal effort. If I have to create some 1 px wide pink lines, that's fine. Just looking to develop a consensus approach as to what the best method is for doing this so we're all doing the same thing the same way and limiting deviation. I'm a process guy at work, so I'm inclined to say, "let's figure out the best procedure, then make sure anyone who is resizing images is doing the same thing, the exact same way, so we'd all get the same/best results." I'm not a designer by any means but I dabble and can follow procedures. I'd be happy to document a procedure too.

It sounds like you have some knowledge around this, so I'm definitely interested in hearing your thoughts on the best way to achieve this.

Last edited by Funkybot; 01-20-2020 at 04:21 PM.
Funkybot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:18 PM   #1447
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Just compared PNG resizing (Affinity: Bicubic) to full Affinity vector file:



The stop button is the PNG (10 seconds work), the pause button is the AD file (10 minutes work). You can see that the pause button edges are sharper—stop looking softer—but there's not much in it.

I think I may be use standard PNG resizing as it would save hours upon hours of work, and I doubt anyone would notice the difference without looking very critically.

Thoughts?
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:26 PM   #1448
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Hmm, PS resizing (bicubic) is even better (pause button):



Stop is Affinity bicubic. Softer. That's good enough for me. PS PNG resizing it is from now on.

Good news - the 1080p version will be out a lot sooner now :¬)
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:28 PM   #1449
Funkybot
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Just compared PNG resizing (Affinity: Bicubic) to full Affinity vector file:



The stop button is the PNG (10 seconds work), the pause button is the AD file (10 minutes work). You can see that the pause button edges are sharper—stop looking softer—but there's not much in it.

I think I may be use standard PNG resizing as it would save hours upon hours of work, and I doubt anyone would notice the difference without looking very critically.

Thoughts?
The difference is subtle but there. What makes the adjusting the vector file 10 minutes of work versus 10 seconds on the .png? Sorry if it's an annoying question but I'd like to understand to either say, "hey, maybe there's a better way or some macros or an autohotkey script to get the time down" or just say "you know what, not worth it, resize the .png's."
Funkybot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:29 PM   #1450
Odys
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 102
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Thoughts?
Eat Your veggies, also try more complex images like with text on them.
Odys is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:31 PM   #1451
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot View Post
The difference is subtle but there. What makes the adjusting the vector file 10 minutes of work versus 10 seconds on the .png? Sorry if it's an annoying question but I'd like to understand to either say, "hey, maybe there's a better way or some macros or an autohotkey script to get the time down" or just say "you know what, not worth it, resize the .png's."
Check out the PS version above, even better.

The best way to use AD is to open the 1080p file (already perfect size/guides), cut out the 1080p design and then drop the 200 (PSD) version into that smaller file and resize the layer. When you do that, lines aren't always perfect, and the layer style (shadow, emboss, highlight etc) needs to be manually adjusted (as we couldn't find a batch way to scale layer styles).

It's just so much more fiddly and time consuming.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:32 PM   #1452
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odys View Post
Eat Your veggies, also try more complex images like with text on them.
I'm assuming some images will need more work than others. The good news is that a fair few can be batch processed.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 04:56 PM   #1453
Funkybot
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Check out the PS version above, even better.
Pause button looks better with the PS resampling.
Funkybot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 05:01 PM   #1454
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot View Post
Pause button looks better with the PS resampling.
Much better! AD resizes circular things better, so this is a mix:



Very happy with that. Just need to manually enhance the central divider line between home/end and stop/pause.

Hammering through non-guide images as we speak.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 05:22 PM   #1455
Herr Nox
Human being with feelings
 
Herr Nox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Canada
Posts: 133
Default

If you find your images to be too soft:

In Photoshop:

Filter > Sharpen > Sharpen (Whoa, that's too sharp!)
Edit > Fade Sharpen... (lower the opacity to your liking)

Create an action or repeat process with all your images.
__________________
BANDCAMP | YOUTUBE | FACEBOOK
Herr Nox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2020, 05:29 PM   #1456
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Herr Nox View Post
If you find your images to be too soft:

In Photoshop:

Filter > Sharpen > Sharpen (Whoa, that's too sharp!)
Edit > Fade Sharpen... (lower the opacity to your liking)

Create an action or repeat process with all your images.
Indeed - been testing that (prefer Unsharp Mask though). At this size, it's very easy to overdo sharpening, and the theme is called Smooth, so I'm kinda happy with a *slight* softness to some elements.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 04:20 AM   #1457
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Odys View Post
I don't think they're the reason for fonts going ape ... poop.
Turns out I have no idea how to get the fonts to be the right size in both HiDPI and 1080p.

Does anyone know how/where the scale from one res to another? I set them or HiDPI sizes in the reaperTheme.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 04:42 AM   #1458
lerian
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 290
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Turns out I have no idea how to get the fonts to be the right size in both HiDPI and 1080p.

Does anyone know how/where the scale from one res to another? I set them or HiDPI sizes in the reaperTheme.
There are different fonts & sizes. Walter fonts in theme tweaker from 1 to 8 i think are 1080p, and from 8 to 16 they are for hidpi. You can test this yourself.
lerian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 05:01 AM   #1459
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lerian View Post
There are different fonts & sizes. Walter fonts in theme tweaker from 1 to 8 i think are 1080p, and from 8 to 16 they are for hidpi. You can test this yourself.
Thanks lerian! Don't suppose anyone has listed these previously somewhere? :¬)

1080p TCP coming along nicely...

__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 05:54 AM   #1460
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Fonts sorted for HiDPI/1080p.

Thanks again lerian.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 06:18 AM   #1461
Ideosound
Human being with feelings
 
Ideosound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: U.K
Posts: 209
Default



Is this icon missing the border? Or has it been cropped off? Seems a little odd without if that is intentional. Not sure what do you think?
Ideosound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 06:50 AM   #1462
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

TCP finished (default, fader and meter):



Including FX params, dual pan and stereo pan.

Time for the gym!
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 06:56 AM   #1463
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideosound View Post


Is this icon missing the border? Or has it been cropped off? Seems a little odd without if that is intentional. Not sure what do you think?
Intentional, it's been like that since day 1.

The empty FX disabled FX looks need to be distinct. If you add a border to that—even with the red light—it starts to look too similar.

I love it how it looks/acts. It's not going to change
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 07:09 AM   #1464
Funkybot
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
TCP finished (default, fader and meter):



Including FX params, dual pan and stereo pan.

Time for the gym!
Looking really good! Did that new fader cap you were working on a few pages back not make it into the final build?
Funkybot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 07:10 AM   #1465
Ideosound
Human being with feelings
 
Ideosound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: U.K
Posts: 209
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Intentional, it's been like that since day 1.

The empty FX disabled FX looks need to be distinct. If you add a border to that—even with the red light—it starts to look too similar.

I love it how it looks/acts. It's not going to change
Fair enough, that function isn't too important to me so might do a personal mod for that one.
Ideosound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 07:16 AM   #1466
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot View Post
Looking really good! Did that new fader cap you were working on a few pages back not make it into the final build?
Yeah, it is for HiDPI. I won't port that to 1080 until everything is done, and I remember. Loads more to do still.

I'm going to skip HiDPI 1.8 and just release 2.0 with 1080p, as it may even get released this week or weekend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideosound View Post
Fair enough, that function isn't too important to me so might do a personal mod for that one.
Beauty of Reaper!
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 07:50 AM   #1467
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Master TCP done for you Funky...



Just the folders to do and I believe the TCP will be 100% finished.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 08:04 AM   #1468
Mordi
Human being with feelings
 
Mordi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Norway
Posts: 751
Default

Nice to see the 1080p-version coming along. Looks rad! Can't wait to try it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Affinity has this weird thing where it'll resize lines to half a pixel width? I can't figure it out.
I'm aware that you decided to go the photoshop-route, which will look fine. Just wanted to show how I went about it in Affinity Designer:



If you're trying to export at @0.5 scale, then the lines will shrink down to half-pixel size. Maybe that was the issue?

Any image that uses pink lines has to be scaled manually in Affinity as well, at least as far as I can tell.
__________________
Mordi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 08:28 AM   #1469
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordi View Post
Nice to see the 1080p-version coming along. Looks rad! Can't wait to try it.



I'm aware that you decided to go the photoshop-route, which will look fine. Just wanted to show how I went about it in Affinity Designer:



If you're trying to export at @0.5 scale, then the lines will shrink down to half-pixel size. Maybe that was the issue?

Any image that uses pink lines has to be scaled manually in Affinity as well, at least as far as I can tell.
I had a play with Constraints (thanks for the heads up on that), but the problem they have is that they're not relative. When you resize the image by 50%, they stay the same size; they're 2x too large.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 09:46 AM   #1470
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Hey fellas, run into this bug with TCP folders:



Not happening in the HiDPI version so wondering what/where this is caused?
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 12:35 PM   #1471
Ideosound
Human being with feelings
 
Ideosound's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: U.K
Posts: 209
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Hey fellas, run into this bug with TCP folders:



Not happening in the HiDPI version so wondering what/where this is caused?
No idea, anyone else chime in? Some kind of spacing issue in the difference of the smaller images Vs the rtconfig code spacing?
Ideosound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 02:06 PM   #1472
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ideosound View Post
No idea, anyone else chime in? Some kind of spacing issue in the difference of the smaller images Vs the rtconfig code spacing?
Perhaps, I'll check the Default 6.0 images again. Thanks for your help today!
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 02:16 PM   #1473
wjmwpg
Human being with feelings
 
wjmwpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 170
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by reid_yoder View Post
What does "NEW YORK IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW" mean?
Ha ha! Good eyes.

Just a little inside joke and personal motivator.
__________________
Switched to Reaper on 19FEB17 after a decade+ on Logic Pro.
wjmwpg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 03:57 PM   #1474
PointReyes
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 164
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b0se View Post
Yo Bloke :¬)


1) Not sure what you mean,it's pretty cear to me.

Deactivated/Off (stereo):



Activated/On (mono):


Strange - on mine the text state doesn't change at all, so it's impossible to tell.
__________________
Latest Reaper 6. Mac Pro trashcan 6-core 3.7gHz; 32g RAM; all SSD drives for system, audio, and (3 drives) samples; the most current OS X version; Apollo 8 2nd Gen interface
PointReyes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2020, 06:33 PM   #1475
Joe90
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 612
Default

Hey B0se. I've got one 4k screen and one 1080, so if you need someone to beta test the 1080 theme on a multimonitor setup then just let me know. I'm on Win10.
Joe90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2020, 02:22 AM   #1476
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PointReyes View Post
Strange - on mine the text state doesn't change at all, so it's impossible to tell.
Odd indeed. Tried 1.7?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe90 View Post
Hey B0se. I've got one 4k screen and one 1080, so if you need someone to beta test the 1080 theme on a multimonitor setup then just let me know. I'm on Win10.
Useful, thanks Joe!
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2020, 07:34 PM   #1477
cjewellstudios
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 320
Default

Reaper forum user Saike has a fantastic spectrum analyzer that allows you to view up to 16 stereo sources.

I like to use it to send my submix busses to. I gave him the smooth colors and he was kind enough to include it as a color theme in his plugin! Looks great! Just add his repository on reapack to install it, and while you're at it, his other plugins are some of the most fun I've had in a while!

Here's a gif of what it looks like:

https://imgur.com/lFLjJsV


Just in case anyone is wondering how to set it up. Put the analyzer on a separate track, Send whatever you want to be red to channels 1&2 on that track, then send whatever you want to be orange to channels 3&4 on that track. So on and so forth.
cjewellstudios is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2020, 03:01 AM   #1478
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cjewellstudios View Post
Reaper forum user Saike has a fantastic spectrum analyzer that allows you to view up to 16 stereo sources.

I like to use it to send my submix busses to. I gave him the smooth colors and he was kind enough to include it as a color theme in his plugin! Looks great! Just add his repository on reapack to install it, and while you're at it, his other plugins are some of the most fun I've had in a while!

Here's a gif of what it looks like:

https://imgur.com/lFLjJsV


Just in case anyone is wondering how to set it up. Put the analyzer on a separate track, Send whatever you want to be red to channels 1&2 on that track, then send whatever you want to be orange to channels 3&4 on that track. So on and so forth.
Very cool, thanks for the heads up, will try that!
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2020, 03:58 AM   #1479
b0se
Human being with feelings
 
b0se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 890
Default



TCP fixed. Folder icon also aligned.

MCP time.
__________________
Smooth V6 1080P/HiDPI Theme
b0se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2020, 04:19 AM   #1480
synkrotron
Human being with feelings
 
synkrotron's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Warrington, UK
Posts: 1,122
Default

Looking good that 1080p version
__________________
Bandcamp // YouTube // SoundCloud
synkrotron is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.