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v6.11+dev0526a - May 26 2020
# Area selection: fix copy/paste of envelope areas [p=2294757]
# Area selection: prevent potential hang when resizing area selection vertically [p=2294782]
# Area selection: snap respects preference to snap to media item start/end [p=2294791]


v6.11+dev0526 - May 26 2020
  • + Grid: prevent "adjust grid by.." actions from setting grid to unreasonable values [p=2294416]
  • # Area selection: action to split/select area selections affects automation items as well as media items
  • # Area selection: add area selection click mouse modifiers to split or copy items within the area
  • # Area selection: better handling of editing area selections over existing automation items [p=2294221]
  • # Area selection: handle duplication of multiple non-time-contiguous areas possibly more predictably
  • # Area selection: minor improvements to marquee preview display
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That's because you were too busy helping to fine tune area selection rather than checking for new builds lol

An admirable reason and I salute you for it sir!
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That's because you were too busy helping to fine tune area selection rather than checking for new builds lol

An admirable reason and I salute you for it sir!
I also greatly appreciate having Sexan so active and vocal in this pre-release phase. I bet Schwa and Sexan have forgotten more about Area Selection than I'll ever know. Love to see the discussion.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:26 PM   #5
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When we have moved an area selection over items no selected, sometimes we can't tell which items have been selected inside the area selection or not because all items have the same aspect.
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Well haha to yoU!


Anyway color is tweakable in theme thingy, you can remove dividers (sort of) and make it more like original (cought!!! Area51 cought!!!)

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A left drag mouse modifier for area selection pls . This will be so useful for Mac users . Performing right drag on a Mac is not as intuitive as it is on windows. Pls
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Anyway color is tweakable in theme thingy, you can remove dividers (sort of) and make it more like original (cought!!! Area51 cought!!!)
At first I thought this was a gif of your script 😃
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A left drag mouse modifier for area selection pls . This will be so useful for Mac users . Performing right drag on a Mac is not as intuitive as it is on windows. Pls
Due to the way REAPER handle mouse modifiers and contexts, putting this function in left drag would imply placing the function in ALL contexts on the same modifier (track, item bottom half, item, envelope lane, envelope segment, ...)

I'm not sure if this is such a good idea ...

But devs may have a solution in reserve!
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At first I thought this was a gif of your script 😃
Oh stop it you... you are making me blush !!!
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A big +1 on the Scale, Compress, Ramp/tilt envelopes with that Cubendo style.
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# Area selection: minor improvements to marquee preview display

Is this some internal technical thing or ?
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Thank you Schwa! It is very nice to have the option to remove the outline color with the theme adjuster to dim down or remove the divider lines! And when present they look much better now
Two very small (nitpicks) are:
When outlines are completely removed the area fill is sometimes 1 pixels off to the left: (Windows 10 64bit)


When outlines are completely removed the area selection marquee uses the marquee color set in the theme adjuster, would be nice to seperate it from regular marquee selection by having a seperate color for the marquee when drawing areas.
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# Area selection: minor improvements to marquee preview display

Is this some internal technical thing or ?
Thinner dividers between vertically adjacent areas.
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Almost a decade i had been a PT user before i fully migrated to REAPER. Switching from PT Area Selection to REAPER Marquee selection wasn't that hard actually, though i sometimes missed some of selection workflow with Area Selection which wasn't covered with marquee selection + time selection combo.

I think the hardest part to adapt is switching from Left-Drag to Right Drag for selection. In my line of works i also use a lot of visual apps which includes tremendous amount of item selection, such as NLE (Davinci Resolve), graphic design/image manipulation (Affinity Designer, Photo), and 3D (Blender).

Currently only REAPER which used Right-Drag for multiple item selection. I have gotten used to it. After almost a decade i have been using REAPER as one and only DAW for everything, i could work really fast and efficient (with a lot of modification, script, etc).

But even as advanced user it is still really hard to do selection in REAPER with trackpad on mac laptop. Mac could be set with drag lock (but only with trackpad Left-Drag) for selection. This work very well for other apps. Otherwise, Two-finger dragging (equivalent to right-drag with mouse) is super tedious on a mac trackpad.

Thus, i wholeheartedly agree the addition of the long awaited most anticipated Area Selection on REAPER should come hand in hand with Left-Drag (without modifier) as default.
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Envelope follow media item ON, but only envelope lane is selected

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Duplicate does not do this

EDIT: It does the same when the option is OFF
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Thinner dividers between vertically adjacent areas.
When we move the area selection, dividers are bigger than before.
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This is still happening folks:



Tension of original curve changes after duplication.
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Almost a decade i had been a PT user before i fully migrated to REAPER. Switching from PT Area Selection to REAPER Marquee selection wasn't that hard actually, though i sometimes missed some of selection workflow with Area Selection which wasn't covered with marquee selection + time selection combo.

I think the hardest part to adapt is switching from Left-Drag to Right Drag for selection. In my line of works i also use a lot of visual apps which includes tremendous amount of item selection, such as NLE (Davinci Resolve), graphic design/image manipulation (Affinity Designer, Photo), and 3D (Blender).

Currently only REAPER which used Right-Drag for multiple item selection. I have gotten used to it. After almost a decade i have been using REAPER as one and only DAW for everything, i could work really fast and efficient (with a lot of modification, script, etc).

But even as advanced user it is still really hard to do selection in REAPER with trackpad on mac laptop. Mac could be set with drag lock (but only with trackpad Left-Drag) for selection. This work very well for other apps. Otherwise, Two-finger dragging (equivalent to right-drag with mouse) is super tedious on a mac trackpad.

Thus, i wholeheartedly agree the addition of the long awaited most anticipated Area Selection on REAPER should come hand in hand with Left-Drag (without modifier) as default.
Exactly !! I use trackpad everyday on a mac and I confirm that its such a pain to perform right drag in mac on a trackpad. I understand implications mentioned above about giving an option as a left drag but I believe the developers who has made such a fantastic feature will take this into consideration
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Exactly !! I use trackpad everyday on a mac and I confirm that its such a pain to perform right drag in mac on a trackpad. I understand implications mentioned above about giving an option as a left drag but I believe the developers who has made such a fantastic feature will take this into consideration
Do you guys not assign Control as your Right-Click in Preferences? Otherwise agreed, two-finger actions on Mac are next to impossible.
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Do you guys not assign Control as your Right-Click in Preferences? Otherwise agreed, two-finger actions on Mac are next to impossible.
No they cannot! I'm very sad for them and since they cannot test new pre left drag needs to be added soon so they can test also
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Do you guys not assign Control as your Right-Click in Preferences? Otherwise agreed, two-finger actions on Mac are next to impossible.
No!! Two finger tap on a trackpad is right click and three finger drag is mouse left drag . So right drag on a Mac is just crazy hard to perform intuitively.
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Reaper hangs if the current area selection (including automation) is tried to be extended upwards and there is no item in the area above.

Steps to reproduce:
Create two tracks.
Add an item and a track envelope to the 2nd track.
Create an area selection covering the second track and automation envelope.
Try to move the upper edge of the area selection upwards to cover the 1st track.
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v6.11+dev0526 - May 26 2020
[list][*]+ Grid: prevent "adjust grid by.." actions from setting grid to unreasonable values [p=2294416]
Does this link to the right thread? I thought it would be this one https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=237131
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I wouldn't say it's hard to right click on a macbook trackpad

trackpad settings - tap to click enabled.
accessibility - mouse and trackpad - trackpad options... Enable dragging, 3 finger drag

1 finger tap is left click
1 finger press+drag is left drag

2 finger tap is right-click
2 finger press+drag is right-drag

3 finger drag for left drag

I do not have control+left click emulates right-click enabled in reaper preferences
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Copy, Cut then Paste:



It happens on items also

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I wouldn't say it's hard to right click on a macbook
Why won't anyone cooperate!
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Coming along nicely!

I'd still really love to see movement of A.S following the snap settings for media items, or get it's own dedicated snap settings, so I can have it snap only at the start and avoid this -




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I would love to hear a story or summary behind the scenes of why area selection/marquee has taken so long... I'm not complaining, i'm honestly interested in it as a software development aspect of how one goes to prioritize functionality and how one deals with a functionality that might require a lot of "behind the scenes" work to the internals of the software to be viable
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Does this link to the right thread? I thought it would be this one https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=237131
It links to a now-deleted post that was the same as that thread.
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I would love to hear a story or summary behind the scenes of why area selection/marquee has taken so long... I'm not complaining, i'm honestly interested in it as a software development aspect of how one goes to prioritize functionality and how one deals with a functionality that might require a lot of "behind the scenes" work to the internals of the software to be viable
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One more with copy cut paste:

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I wouldn't say it's hard to right click on a macbook trackpad

trackpad settings - tap to click enabled.
accessibility - mouse and trackpad - trackpad options... Enable dragging, 3 finger drag

1 finger tap is left click
1 finger press+drag is left drag

2 finger tap is right-click
2 finger press+drag is right-drag

3 finger drag for left drag

I do not have control+left click emulates right-click enabled in reaper preferences

Right clicking is not difficult on a mac trackpad. But right dragging is difficult.
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I wouldn't say it's hard to right click on a macbook trackpad
Right-click is easy peasy. Right-drag is different story.

One marquee selection with single right-drag still easy. Try to do multiple marquee selection with shift + right-drag is super tedious. Try to multiple edit midi notes in different time & places or editing multi-mic instrument item (item grouping doesn’t help much).
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When copying and pasting envelope areas items are trimmed:

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Coming along nicely!

I'd still really love to see movement of A.S following the snap settings for media items, or get it's own dedicated snap settings, so I can have it snap only at the start and avoid this -

Thanks.
Indeed. linking to the snap options would be great there.
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A big +1 on the Scale, Compress, Ramp/tilt envelopes with that Cubendo style.
Another +1. So much this!

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Due to the way REAPER handle mouse modifiers and contexts, putting this function in left drag would imply placing the function in ALL contexts on the same modifier (track, item bottom half, item, envelope lane, envelope segment, ...)

I'm not sure if this is such a good idea ...
As area selection applies to the entire arrange and not specific tracks, items, envelopes, etc. it seems like it would be a pretty easy solution to put left click/drag options in the arrange view mouse modifiers which currently have no left click/drag options. The default left drag currently does time selection and cannot be changed. I'm sure many users would rather that be set to AS instead of time selection. It also would not affect existing custom modifiers.

At the end of the day, we are going to need left drag for this. No other way around it.
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Another +1. So much this!



As area selection applies to the entire arrange and not specific tracks, items, envelopes, etc. it seems like it would be a pretty easy solution to put left click/drag options in the arrange view mouse modifiers which currently have no left click/drag options. The default left drag currently does time selection and cannot be changed. I'm sure many users would rather that be set to AS instead of time selection. It also would not affect existing custom modifiers.

At the end of the day, we are going to need left drag for this. No other way around it.
Exactly ! Sexan's Area selection script allowed it to use left drag on macs. I would love to see some stuff from Sexan's script gets implemented. His item copying method was brilliant.
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I'm sure this comment will get buried/forgotten under the hundreds of other comments on this feature, but a discussion/argument about left mouse vs right mouse for area selection is pointless at this stage. What is very helpful is all of the useful feedback and bug reports on the functionality.
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Exactly ! Sexan's Area selection script allowed it to use left drag on macs. I would love to see some stuff from Sexan's script gets implemented. His item copying method was brilliant.
His copying is absolutely brilliant. Someone want to post a GIF to show the devs?
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His copying is absolutely brilliant. Someone want to post a GIF to show the devs?
Schwa is smart enough to install his script and check its features. I think he already did it.
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