Old 06-24-2020, 09:47 PM   #1
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v6.12+dev0624 - June 24 2020
  • + Windows: fix resolution of shortcuts that point to non-ascii filenames
  • + Media: when matching tempo for preview or import, use any suitable metadata
  • # MIDI editor: add theme colors for CC lane selectors
  • + Windows: always install bridging support
  • + Batch converter: improve command line documentation [p=2309474]
  • + ReaSynth: fix portamento on non-overlapping notes [p=2309212]
  • + Appearance: minor default theme updates
  • + Routing: fix multiprocessing issues with certain feedback structures (6.12 regression) [t=235395]
  • + macOS: fix display glitch when using non-retina secondary display [t=238677]
  • # MIDI CC selector: improve menu positioning
  • + REX: display metadata in source properties dialog and media explorer
  • + Media explorer: faster metadata reading for .flac files
  • + Media explorer: faster metadata reading for .wav files
  • + Media explorer: automatically populate file metadata for media files that are visible in the browser list
  • + Media explorer: remove option to use Windows Explorer for browsing
  • # Actions list: more cleanup
  • + Render: fix using $region and $regionnumber wildcards together [t=238687]
  • # MIDI: mousewheel over CC lane selection navigates between lanes with events unless ctrl/cmd is held
  • + Metadata: automatically write title, date, and time fields if the user does not enter them
  • + MIDI: CC lane selection includes submenu of lanes with events
  • # MIDI: support mousewheel over CC lane selection UI [p=2308320]
  • + MIDI: don't play back notation for muted notes
  • + MIDI: preserve muted events during glue
  • + Notation editor: add support for more ornaments and techniques
  • + Notation editor: fix setting one half of grand staff to +/- 8/15 va/vb (up or down one or two octaves)
  • + Notation editor: support entering arbitrary track and note notation/ornaments via text entry (example: 0xE5D2 for "lift", see smufl.org)
  • + Video: improve video processor bypass automation UI behavior
  • + Windows: fix knob issues on Win10 HiDPI displays [t=168589]
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Is there a reason for removing Windows Explorer support in the Media Explorer? I've always preferred it as it allows choosing from a large list of file details.
With the native browser there aren't a fraction of the options, including useful ones like date modified, or less common ones relevant for sound designers.

Also can the metadata data be ignored when tempo-matching? It's often wrong and causes issues with selections.

Using embedded tempo info only really makes sense for full songs, not short loops. Nearly all sample libraries are even number loops. The correct tempo can be properly calculated from the length 99% of the time, using embedded tempo just screws up the tempo matching of selections.

When selections are placed on the timeline the item lengths are off. They should be even divisions relative to the project tempo.

The way it's usually worked is selections are assumed to be a certain even beat/bar amount with the tempo/stretch calculated from the selection length.

When Reaper uses embedded info rather than the desired outcome of every selection stretching to things like 1, 2 , 4 bars etc. they end as randomish lengths.







Also the options the overwrite the metadata could show the original value.
It would be really helpful if show media item properties included metadata, since there isn't a simple way to view it all at a glance.
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Nice work on the MIDI Editor CC Lane.

But...its default theme colors (111, 111, 111) are way too little contrasted for me; something much darker would be more appropriate.

Also, the background of the selector could be themed and made a bit brighter by default; this would help a lot (and make it more consistent with other similar controls).

See in the attached picture, the background could be like the note and time readouts on top.
Note that here I already changed the CC lane text colors to something black-ish.

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+ Media explorer: remove option to use Windows Explorer for browsing
If this is removed does this mean it's going to be possible to ctrl/alt drag to Media explorer from arrange ? I use the windows explorer for this all the time and it would be a huge workflow killer. Thanks and fingers crossed
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+ Media explorer: remove option to use Windows Explorer for browsing

Unless the in built one has improved alot please please please don't remove this!

I've tried to swap a few times but for sound design, it's just not good enough yet and is missing key features.

Please put it back for now.

Happy to list why I can't use the other one once I've got time later tonight!
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Mousewheel on CC menu is inverted from what it used to be.

In "Lanes with events" it could make sense to have a separator before 14-bit CC lanes are listed.

Not sure if I like the menu opening to the right now. It screwed up royally the muscle memory from years of expecting it to show up below or above... This is a change that shouldn't be taken lightly - muscle memory is important, and this is a pretty big change!

That said, it IS good that there are submenus so that the menu can always fit on the screen without any additional scrolling...
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Same question as abobe about using Windows Explorer. I dont use it often but it can definetely be useful if you need to see picture associated to sounds for eg and other special cases.
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I'm also concerned about this being removed, and curious as to the reasoning. I switch back and forth between the two (Windows and built-in) fairly regularly - there are pros and cons to both but it's nice to have the option.
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Please, don't remove this!
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+ Media explorer: remove option to use Windows Explorer for browsing

So here is another one from me: WHY?
Any technical reason?
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Although I do not use the windows browser, I also join the question
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That was so useful to use media explorer from Reaper.

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v6.12+dev0624 - June 24 2020[*]+ ReaSynth: fix portamento on non-overlapping notes [p=2309212]
My goodness that was quick! Brilliant - many thanks indeed!
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FWIW I am/was also using Windows Explorer exclusively for browsing.
Not even sure why exactly though, maybe just because it feels more familiar.
I think I'll get along using Reaper's one also in future (if it gets removed indeed) but surely I'll miss it.
One thing I sometimes did (and is not poissible with Reaper's one afaik) is deleting files from within it (via rightclick context).

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Hello,

Bug:

"Toggle preventing MIDI notes retriggering" ON, randomly, doesn't work.








"item : Prevent MIDI notes retriggering start/end of adjacent MIDI"... randomly, doesn't work.






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OS discrimination! Same question: why?

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Got it broken/removed meanwhile or something?
Yep, I was confused, too.
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btw
reaper's media explorer needs an overall
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With the native browser there aren't a fraction of the options, including useful ones like date modified
I believe the "date" column is the last modification date.


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Also can the metadata data be ignored when tempo-matching? It's often wrong and causes issues with selections.
If it's the case that embedded media file tempo metadata is often wrong, we could do the same thing we do with filenames that suggest a bpm, which is to use it only if the metadata tempo works out to the file being a round number of beats.

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media item properties included metadata, since there isn't a simple way to view it all at a glance.
The media source properties (right click the media item, or use the button on the media item properties dialog) should display all of the file metadata.
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surely I'll miss it.
One thing I sometimes did (and is not poissible with Reaper's one afaik) is deleting files
Yep yep! I am on osx so I never used it, but sure I miss this In Media explorer.
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We'd much rather improve the built-in media explorer than restore the windows explorer view (which of course was never available on mac anyway), so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
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For the new MIDI CC selector, when we use special windows 10 themes, there is a new issue: the new button/menu CC selector hasn't got the aspect of the others buttons/menu.

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so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
Rename/delete the audio file, move/copy the audio file inside an another folder, open the audio file inside an audio soft.

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I'm alone to have this issue? I haven't understand the feature?

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"Toggle preventing MIDI notes retriggering" ON, randomly, doesn't work.








"item : Prevent MIDI notes retriggering start/end of adjacent MIDI"... randomly, doesn't work.






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I'm alone to have this issue? I haven't understand the feature?

I can confirm this bug. It has to do with the interaction between the MIDI tick rate, sample rate, and buffer block size. I actually think we're going to revert the retrigger-suppression feature, though -- the more complex it gets, the worse the tradeoff is against the benefits.
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so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
Another thing coming to mind why preferring Win Explorer:
In 'Windows > Folder Options' I have set "Single-click to open an item (point to select" (instead of I think the default "Double-click to open an item (single click-click to select)".
I find this quite handy/speedy for auditioning files in combination with auto-play (just hovering around without clicking).

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OS discrimination! Same question: why?
Being able to drag and drop from project to a sampler is another thing we can't do in OSX and supported on windows AFAI heard, .. it would be very welcome. (i don't want them to unsupport on windows tho)
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I can confirm this bug. It has to do with the interaction between the MIDI tick rate, sample rate, and buffer block size. I actually think we're going to revert the retrigger-suppression feature, though -- the more complex it gets, the worse the tradeoff is against the benefits.
That's EXACTLY what I thought and mentioned in the last pres. Cases become too complex and the solution would rather be a case to case dependent scripted solution.
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We'd much rather improve the built-in media explorer than restore the windows explorer view (which of course was never available on mac anyway), so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
If it possible here small FT for ME. There not all possible in WE but would good to have it here.
1)Ability to delete/copy/cut
2)Ability to hide any formats like *.syx *.mid and other
3)Ability to resize ME window width to minimum, without change ShortCut window "SysListView32" size. Very useful on small screens.
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We'd much rather improve the built-in media explorer than restore the windows explorer...
Please make adjustable font size
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I can confirm this bug. It has to do with the interaction between the MIDI tick rate, sample rate, and buffer block size. I actually think we're going to revert the retrigger-suppression feature, though -- the more complex it gets, the worse the tradeoff is against the benefits.
What’s the reason behind not allowing notes to continue to sustain past the split point?
I think there’d be users who’d appreciate that as an option myself included.
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I think there’d be users who’d appreciate that as an option myself included.
The most parts of users were OK with this feature but optional.

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I think there’d be users who’d appreciate that as an option myself included.
This option would be very useful with regions. When a note starts from the region 1 and ends inside the region 2, for exemple.

All items are cuted at the region edges. I don't like when an item is under more one region.

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Being able to drag and drop from project to a sampler is another thing we can't do in OSX and supported on windows AFAI heard, .. it would be very welcome. (i don't want them to unsupport on windows tho)
Sure! Hm, I saw the menu item to use Explorer/Finder instead of built-in Media explorer, but may be false memories.
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If it's the case that embedded media file tempo metadata is often wrong, we could do the same thing we do with filenames that suggest a bpm, which is to use it only if the metadata tempo works out to the file being a round number of beats.

Yes, schwa, this would be really useful !
(I am sorry, after all these years here i still don't know how to do a partial quote).
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(I am sorry, after all these years here i still don't know how to do a partial quote).
It's so simple
Just delete the text you don't need? The text between [quote] is the same as what you write.
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[*]# MIDI editor: add theme colors for CC lane selectors
Awesome!

And also fixes the annoying flickering at the same time.

Echoing mabian, would it possible to make the CC lane button background color themeable as well?
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I can confirm this bug. It has to do with the interaction between the MIDI tick rate, sample rate, and buffer block size. I actually think we're going to revert the retrigger-suppression feature, though -- the more complex it gets, the worse the tradeoff is against the benefits.
But hopefully you WILL figure out a better way of dealing this soon? Because it really IS a huge problem that events are forced to stop when the item ends.

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and the solution would rather be a case to case dependent scripted solution.
Sorry, I disagree. This sort of thing should be handled by the DAW.
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Advantages of using Windows Media Explorer (non exhaustive list):


  • Image Preview
  • Custom Folder Icon support
  • Lots of columns possible for sorting file and display information (native has only 4)
  • Access to all the Right-Click actions
  • CTRL+mousewheel support to zoom
  • other displays than table (it can be Big Icons etc)
  • delete, rename, copy, paste...
But to be honnest I mostly used the native media explorer because of efficiency, and often had a media Explorer window open somewhere. But it doesn't have all the routing goodies than media explorer offer to preview sounds.



Unless this feature is painful to maintain I think it is better to leave it as it works just fine the way it is. But it shouldn't be at the expense of new feature for the native one of course.

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We'd much rather improve the built-in media explorer than restore the windows explorer view (which of course was never available on mac anyway), so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
all "explorer" style file operations - delete, rename, copy, paste, etc. bonus points for a bulk rename utility.

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I actually think we're going to revert the retrigger-suppression feature, though -- the more complex it gets, the worse the tradeoff is against the benefits.
well, it really was a good shot at solving the "dangle" FR.

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What’s the reason behind not allowing notes to continue to sustain past the split point?
REAPER desperately wants all track midi to be contained in 1 item

edit- more seriously, i think that the attempt at retrigger-suppression ended up further illustrating the issue: noteoffs need to be associated with an item, but exist outside its endpoint.

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As enhancements on the native media explorer what I can see is:


  • more metadata and file info on the columns tag of datatabases (like Bitdpeth, Sample Rate, Channel count, Sounds duration, bit rate - all this was asked to me by a AAA client few years ago)
  • More custom columns : we only have one "custom tag" support (using this columns is how I solve there request - having custom columns can be very handy).
  • Maybe a way to display ID3 images if any can be nice (it is used in sound design to see what produces the sound)
  • Action/shortcut (CTRL+F) to focus search filter
  • Folder Tree ? https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=58157

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