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10-16-2020, 09:55 PM
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#10521
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Krefeld, Germany
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivan_ef
It helpfull when changing midi layers on surface.
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Do you use an XTouch Compact in "native" (non MC) mode ?
IMHO it's a major shortcoming of it's firmware that it does not accept Midi messages to the background layer. Nor does it receive ot transmit layer change messages.
This is harmful with my own (live-setup, non CSI) application, as well.
This problem should be mended by the Behringer firmware !
How come your device is "in other midi layer at this time" ?
-Michael
Last edited by mschnell; 10-17-2020 at 03:04 AM.
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10-17-2020, 12:45 AM
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#10522
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Thanks to MixMonkey and others I now have CSI doing most important tasks I need! Lot to learn still. While I try to learn this beast, I am in impression that if I need to control other plugins than ReaEQ (which is done by default) I must program all of them separately? That seems a huge downgrader and time consuming, especially when compared to a Klinke addon that does not have that limitation. Is it possible to somehow automap all plugins I have in CSI too?
At the moment I have permanently switched from Klinke to a CSI, so I can live with that "limitation" if necessary.
-Pasi
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10-17-2020, 01:41 AM
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#10523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pwallin
Thanks to MixMonkey and others I now have CSI doing most important tasks I need! Lot to learn still. While I try to learn this beast, I am in impression that if I need to control other plugins than ReaEQ (which is done by default) I must program all of them separately? That seems a huge downgrader and time consuming, especially when compared to a Klinke addon that does not have that limitation. Is it possible to somehow automap all plugins I have in CSI too?
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Hi. There is certain amount of work involved, but for me, with my MCU/3xXT/C4 setup, it's well worth the effort. Once you get going creating .zon files you pick things up quite quickly and people on this forum - especially MixMonkey - are extremely helpful and generous with their time and knowledge.
I'm ploughing on creating .zon files for FX and will share them when I reach a certain critical mass. Hopefully that will give people a useful starting point so they're not having to re-invent the wheel.
The more people can share their files the better, as far as I can see. Good luck!
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10-17-2020, 03:36 AM
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#10524
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Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Yaroslavl, Russia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mschnell
Do you use an XTouch Compact in "native" (non MC) mode ?
IMHO it's a major shortcoming of it's firmware that it does not accept Midi messages to the background layer. Nor does it receive ot transmit layer change messages.
This is harmful with my own (live-setup, non CSI) application, as well.
This problem should be mended by the Behringer firmware !
How come your device is "in other midi layer at this time" ?
-Michael
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I disagree with you. It’s only software side issue. I’m using mixing station for live mixing. It transmits all feedback parameters continuously so all my controls get back to where they should be when I return to corresponding midi layer on x-touch compact. Continuous feedback is a cure.
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10-17-2020, 06:04 AM
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#10525
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivan_ef
When stopped. CSI transmits solo, mute, rec, and track select parameters to surface each second.
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I don't see that behaviour here.
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Yes, but why not to transmit feedback parameters for faders continuously? It helpfull when changing midi layers on surface.
faders will not come to correct position after "track parameter" in reaper was changed, because surface was in other midi layer at this time.
I hope I expained clearly..
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If you want the surface to update after you've changed layers and returned to CSI, use :
Code:
Control surface: Refresh all surfaces 41743
Continuously sending data of all controls across all surfaces (some users have very large setups) is a waste of bandwidth and would likely slow system performance to a crawl.
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10-17-2020, 06:43 AM
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#10526
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Human being with feelings
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Punchlight Midi how to?
hey guys,
I don't have the slightest idea how to set up a CSI device. Unfortunately I don't have the time to read the whole thread. I hope there will be an easy UI anytime.
For now: I've got a punchlight MIDI ( https://www.punchlight.com/punchlight_midi). Can somebody give me a hint what's the easiest way to get that running? I just want to have that lighting while recording. Is that something I do with CSI or do I better use any of the other tools out there?
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10-17-2020, 06:59 AM
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#10527
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
hey guys,
I don't have the slightest idea how to set up a CSI device. Unfortunately I don't have the time to read the whole thread. I hope there will be an easy UI anytime.
For now: I've got a punchlight MIDI ( https://www.punchlight.com/punchlight_midi). Can somebody give me a hint what's the easiest way to get that running? I just want to have that lighting while recording. Is that something I do with CSI or do I better use any of the other tools out there?
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Not really a CSI thing. Just connect it to a MIDI out port on your MIDI interfsce, set it to "Generic" mode and see if it works
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10-17-2020, 07:06 AM
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#10528
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I think I tried that without success. mhhh
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10-17-2020, 07:46 AM
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#10529
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Location: London, England.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gass n Klang
I think I tried that without success. mhhh
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What do the manufacturers say?
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10-17-2020, 09:28 AM
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#10530
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Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevrose
Hi. There is certain amount of work involved, but for me, with my MCU/3xXT/C4 setup, it's well worth the effort. Once you get going creating .zon files you pick things up quite quickly and people on this forum - especially MixMonkey - are extremely helpful and generous with their time and knowledge.
I'm ploughing on creating .zon files for FX and will share them when I reach a certain critical mass. Hopefully that will give people a useful starting point so they're not having to re-invent the wheel.
The more people can share their files the better, as far as I can see. Good luck!
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Yes, I have noticed this helpful attitude here. I do my best to learn as much as I can.
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10-17-2020, 09:32 AM
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#10531
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Location: Yaroslavl, Russia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMonkey
use :
Code:
Control surface: Refresh all surfaces 41743
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Ok, I will try, thanks. Is that command aslo must be assigned to some midi button?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMonkey
Continuously sending data of all controls across all surfaces (some users have very large setups) is a waste of bandwidth and would likely slow system performance to a crawl.
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Maybe not all surfaces, just an option to turn it on/off will be helpfull, I think. Why other software is doing this? I bet bandwith is designed to be separated on input and output sections which doesn't affetct each other.
Last edited by ivan_ef; 10-17-2020 at 09:38 AM.
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10-17-2020, 09:43 AM
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#10532
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivan_ef
Ok, I will try, thanks. Is that command aslo must be assigned to some midi button?
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..or a keyboard shortcut. It's a shame the layer buttons don't send any MIDI in the non-MCU mode, otherwise this reset could happen automatically.
If you didn't want to control external MIDI hardware with the second layer, I'd say just use MC mode and do all the assignments for synths etc within CSI.
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10-17-2020, 12:23 PM
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#10533
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
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WARNING -- BREAKING CHANGES
New build is up.
This is the new architecture, CSI.ini is changed, as well as the way included zones are done (e.g. Channel).
Probably a lot is broken, so please give it a whirl in a non critical environment and let's start bringing it back to life
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To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
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10-17-2020, 12:25 PM
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#10534
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
WARNING -- BREAKING CHANGES
New build is up.
This is the new architecture, CSI.ini is changed, as well as the way included zones are done (e.g. Channel).
Probably a lot is broken, so please give it a whirl in a non critical environment and let's start bringing it back to life
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WooHoo!!
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10-17-2020, 12:53 PM
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#10535
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Human being with feelings
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Is OSC online yet?
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10-17-2020, 01:29 PM
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#10536
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MixMonkey
Is OSC online yet?
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Should be, don't think anything has changed with OSC.
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10-17-2020, 01:41 PM
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#10537
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Great news Geoff. Congrats! Will check it out shortly.
What do these new builds actually do? Is it just a cleaner, leaner, faster type of thing? Or are there some functional changes/fixes we should also keep an eye out for?
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10-17-2020, 02:04 PM
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#10538
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Great news Geoff. Congrats! Will check it out shortly.
What do these new builds actually do? Is it just a cleaner, leaner, faster type of thing? Or are there some functional changes/fixes we should also keep an eye out for?
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Mostly the same as before, but your old CSI.ini will definitely need to be changed
The notation for Channel type zones has also changed, there are no more template zones -- well actually every zone is now a template zone, so no need for the | character in the zone name -- they are still needed in the body of the definition though, see EuCon.zon for an example.
Pretty sure some stuff is broken, not sure exactly what, there were massive changes internally
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To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
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10-17-2020, 02:52 PM
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#10539
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivan_ef
Continuous feedback is a cure.
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IMHO greatly bloating the Midi traffic is a nasty workaround.
-Michael
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10-17-2020, 05:22 PM
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#10540
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Mostly the same as before, but your old CSI.ini will definitely need to be changed
The notation for Channel type zones has also changed, there are no more template zones -- well actually every zone is now a template zone, so no need for the | character in the zone name -- they are still needed in the body of the definition though, see EuCon.zon for an example.
Pretty sure some stuff is broken, not sure exactly what, there were massive changes internally
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Hi Geoff, first test and I'm totally back to being a newbie!
EDIT: issues reported here were resolved in my updated .zon file a few posts below.
Most things worked with minimal tweaks but without an updated mcu.zon to go off of, I'm not sure if I'm running into some bugs, or just changes to the syntax I'm not aware of. Here's a quick rundown of what I found so far (X-Touch One only - haven't tried Eucon just yet):
1. TrackBank is not working at all here - tried with and without quotes
2. Pan or pan width are not working at here. Tried CSI action "TrackPanPercent" and that made no difference.
3. GoZone Home is not working - specifically when I press Shift+F2 to enter FocusedFXParam mode it works. When I press Shift+F1 to return Home, nothing happens.
I'm using the Behringer X-Touch One here in MCU Std mode, so I set it up with "8 channels" when I added the surface, which I think is right.
Last edited by Funkybot; 10-18-2020 at 09:10 AM.
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10-18-2020, 06:24 AM
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#10541
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
WARNING -- BREAKING CHANGES
New build is up.
This is the new architecture, CSI.ini is changed, as well as the way included zones are done (e.g. Channel).
Probably a lot is broken, so please give it a whirl in a non critical environment and let's start bringing it back to life
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Pretty good show for a first release
Working
i)Track layout and banking.
ii) Upper displays on MCU and MCUXT.
iii) Transport
iv) Pan and PanWidth, although switching to PanWidth now switches the display of all of rotaries on that surface (still controlled individually though)
v) Lower Display on MCUXT
vi) Touch, once I realised it was now called FaderTouch and not TrackTouch.
v) Master fader.
vi) Channel functions (mute, select, solo etc)
vii) Time display
Not Working
i) Lower display on MCU- seems to be permanently locked to that weird square outline that bounces in time to the music (I refuse to call it a meter) Disabling all MCU meter definitions in .zon and .mst doesn't restore the display to Pan info.
ii) Signal present LEDs on MCU and MCUXT (all the surface metering I need)
iii) Sends. Set to 8 for the MCU, ToggleMapSends LED lit by default (maybe have disabled the default?) but no sign of Sends appearing on the faders when mapping toggled.
iv) FXMenu. Set to 8 for the MCU. ToggleMapFXMenu LED lit by default (again, maybe have disabled the default?, otherwise people aren't going to see a regular fader display when they first start up, will be confusing) No sign of the FXMenu on MCU display upper, but parameter names for first slot FX (aliases ignored, control acceleration broken so controls barely work)
There's probably other stuff, but let's get the plane in the air before we start fixing the seat recliners
Last edited by MixMonkey; 10-18-2020 at 06:30 AM.
Reason: added more to 'working' list
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10-18-2020, 06:29 AM
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#10542
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Human being with feelings
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Here's what I have for MCU.zon
Code:
Zone Home
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
OnTrackSelection MapSelectedTrackFXToMenu
IncludedZones
"Buttons"
"Channel"
"MasterTrack"
IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd
Zone "Buttons"
Track NoAction
Send ToggleMapSelectedTrackSends
Pan NoAction
Plugin ToggleMapSelectedTrackFXMenu
//ETC//
Down TrackBank "-1"
Zoom ForceScrollLink
ZoneEnd
Zone "Channel"
TrackNavigator
IncludedZones
"Sends"
"FXMenu"
IncludedZonesEnd
DisplayUpper| TrackNameDisplay
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone PanWidth
/ VUMeter| TrackOutputMeter
Rotary| TrackPan "0" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
RecordArm| TrackRecordArm
Solo| TrackSolo
Mute| TrackMute
Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Shift+Select| TrackRangeSelect
Control+Select| TrackSelect
Shift+Control+Select| TogglePin
Fader| TrackVolume
TrackTouch+Fader| TrackVolume
FaderTouch| FaderTouch
Hold+Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Hold+Select| Reaper "41665"
Hold+Select| TrackToggleVCASpill
ZoneEnd
Zone "PanWidth"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPanWidth "1" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanWidthDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "Pan"
ZoneEnd
Zone "Pan"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPan "0" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "PanWidth"
ZoneEnd
Zone "MasterTrack"
MasterTrackNavigator
MasterFader TrackVolume
FaderTouch+MasterFader TrackVolume
MasterFaderTouch FaderTouch
Control+MasterFader FocusedFXParam
Control+TrackTouch+MasterFader FocusedFXParam
Control+MasterFaderTouch FaderTouch
ZoneEnd
Zone "Sends"
TrackNavigator
DisplayUpper| TrackSendNameDisplay
DisplayLower| TrackSendVolumeDisplay
Mute| TrackSendMute
Fader| TrackSendVolume
FaderTouch+Fader| TrackSendVolume
FaderTouch| FaderTouch
ZoneEnd
Zone "FXMenu"
SelectedTrackNavigator
DisplayUpper| FXNameDisplay |
DisplayLower| NoAction
Rotary| NoAction
RotaryPush| GoFXSlot |
ZoneEnd
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10-18-2020, 07:49 AM
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#10543
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Human being with feelings
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Can't get a peep out of OSC though, even with the simplest setup:
Code:
Zone "Home"
IncludedZones
"Channel"
IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd
Zone "Channel"
TrackNavigator
DisplayG| TrackNameDisplay
DisplayC| TrackPanDisplay
DisplayF| TrackVolumeDisplay
Rotary| TrackPan
Alt+Rotary| TrackPanWidth
Alt+DisplayC| TrackPanWidthDisplay
ButtonD| TrackRecordArm
ButtonE| TrackSolo
ButtonF| TrackMute
ButtonG| TrackUniqueSelect
Shift+ButtonG| TrackRangeSelect
Fader| TrackVolume
FaderTouch| FaderTouch
Shift+RecordArm| CycleTrackAutoMode DisplayUpper| [ 0 1 3 2 4 5 ]
ZoneEnd
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10-18-2020, 08:54 AM
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#10544
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Ok, I've been able to solve my issues. Looks like some syntax stuff in the zone. Also, in the prior builds, I was able to GoZone Home to get out of FocusedFXParam mode, but now I actually need to GoZone Channel to overlay the channel zone back on top of the fader. Makes sense.
Here's what I've got so far for my udpated X-TouchOne.zon if anyone wants to try it out. Pay attention to the note up top about using MCU Std mode and being on channel 1. Also, set CSI to 1 fader for this surface.
Code:
/uses MCU Std mode. If not working, enter one of the MCU DAW modes and hit Channel Select button a few times until fader1 (address e0) is active. Then return to MCU Std mode.
Zone Home
OnFXFocus MapFocusedFXToWidgets
IncludedZones
"SelChannelButtons"
"GlobalButtons"
"Channel"
"MasterChannel"
"JogWheelHack"
IncludedZonesEnd
Zoom Shift
Shift+F2 GoZone "FocusedFXParam"
ZoneEnd
Zone "SelChannelButtons"
SelectedTrackNavigator
F1 TrackAutoMode "1" //Read
F2 TrackAutoMode "3" //Write
F3 TrackAutoMode "0" //Trim
F4 TrackAutoMode "2" //touch
F5 TrackAutoMode "4" //Latch
ZoneEnd
Zone "GlobalButtons"
ChannelLeft TrackBank "-1"
ChannelRight TrackBank "1"
BankLeft TrackBank "-8"
BankRight TrackBank "8"
Rewind Rewind
Shift+Rewind Reaper 40042 //go to start of project
FastForward FastForward
Shift+FastForward Reaper 40043 //go to end of project
Stop Stop
Play Play
Shift+Play Reaper 1068 //Toggle repeat
Record Record
Write Reaper 40364 //toggle click
Marker Reaper 40078 //open mixer (Mix View in S1 mode)
Shift+Marker Reaper 40716 //toggle MIDI editor
Nudge Reaper 40271 //open FX Browser
Cycle Reaper _S&M_TOGLFXCHAIN //SWS/S&M: Toggle show FX chain windows for selected tracks
Drop Reaper 40293 //Track io routing view
Replace Reaper 40172 //go to previous marker or project start
Click Reaper 40171 //Insert marker at current or edit position
Shift+Click Reaper 40256 //Insert tempo/time signature marker at edit cursor
Solo Reaper 40173 //go to next marker or project end
Shift+Solo Reaper _S&M_CYCLACTION_14 //Cycle recording modes
Save Reaper 40026 //save project
Scrub Reaper 40029 //undo
Shift+Scrub Reaper 40030 //redo
Up Reaper 40111 //zoom in vertical
Down Reaper 40112 //zoom out vertical
Right Reaper 40837 //Move edit cursor to start of next measure
Left Reaper _34cd4010d1d9fa45b0157b7da0cf19bf //Custom action: move edit cursor back to start of previous measure
Shift+Left Reaper 1011 //zoom out horizontal
Shift+Right Reaper 1012 //zoom in horizontal
Shift+Down Reaper 40727 //minimize all tracks
Shift+Up Reaper 40113 //toggle track height to maximum
Shift+Read Reaper _S&M_PREV_FOCFX_PRESET //Prev preset of FocusedFX
Shift+Touch Reaper _S&M_NEXT_FOCFX_PRESET //Next preset of FocusedFX
F6 Reaper 40364 //toggle click
Shift+F6 Reaper _SWS_AWCOUNTRECTOG //toggle: count-in before recording
ZoneEnd
Zone "Channel"
TrackNavigator
DisplayUpper| TrackNameDisplay
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
Rotary |TrackPan "0" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
RotaryPush| GoZone PanWidth
Solo| TrackSolo
Mute| TrackMute
RecordArm| TrackRecordArm
Shift+RecordArm| Reaper 40495 //Cycle track record monitor
Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Fader| TrackVolume
FaderTouch| FaderTouch
VUMeter| TrackOutputMeter
ZoneEnd
Zone "MasterChannel"
MasterTrackNavigator
MasterFader TrackVolume
ZoneEnd
Zone "Pan"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPan "0" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "PanWidth"
ZoneEnd
Zone "PanWidth"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPanWidth "1" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanWidthDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "Pan"
ZoneEnd
Zone "FocusedFXParam"
Fader1 FocusedFXParam
DisplayUpper1 FocusedFXParamNameDisplay
DisplayLower1 FocusedFXParamValueDisplay
Shift+F1 GoZone "Channel"
ZoneEnd
Zone "JogWheelHack"
JogWheelRotaryCW Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW2 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW3 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW4 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW5 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW6 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCW7 Reaper 40141
JogWheelRotaryCCW Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW2 Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW3 Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW4 Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW5 Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW6 Reaper 40140
JogWheelRotaryCCW7 Reaper 40140
ZoneEnd
So yes, off to a great start so far. Everything in my simple X-TouchOne.zon still works. Now time to check out the other surfaces.
Last edited by Funkybot; 10-18-2020 at 09:19 AM.
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10-18-2020, 11:19 AM
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#10545
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Hi Geoff, happy to report that it looks like FocusedFX are working much better now! No more getting lost after closing GUI's.
One small issue/feature request: I'm using the MFTwister colors (FB_MFT_RGB), and while the FX lose focus as expected when closing the GUI, the colors persist. Would be great if any color mappings were cleared when focus was lost.
On second thought: I guess I could add more colors to my home zone and see if those colors overlay the FX zone colors.
Basics of EuCon seem to be working as expected. Didn't go deep into that one yet though.
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10-18-2020, 12:31 PM
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#10546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
Hi Geoff, happy to report that it looks like FocusedFX are working much better now! No more getting lost after closing GUI's.
One small issue/feature request: I'm using the MFTwister colors (FB_MFT_RGB), and while the FX lose focus as expected when closing the GUI, the colors persist. Would be great if any color mappings were cleared when focus was lost.
On second thought: I guess I could add more colors to my home zone and see if those colors overlay the FX zone colors.
Basics of EuCon seem to be working as expected. Didn't go deep into that one yet though.
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Any syntax have to change in fx zones?
Also yeah if you assign color to the home channel zone or whatever, in the old build anyways, they took back over.
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10-18-2020, 12:33 PM
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#10547
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkybot
On second thought: I guess I could add more colors to my home zone and see if those colors overlay the FX zone colors.
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This is the way to go about it. I spend quite a lot of time cleaning up after myself so stuff isn't left on displays when it's no longer active.
If the lower display on your XTouchOne is working properly ie showing Pan values etc. could you post your .mst for it? so I can see if there's something there that will make my MCU lower display work with the new version.
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10-18-2020, 12:57 PM
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#10548
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 705
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Wait, so is this the first release out of Beta that Geoff just put out?
Is there a place to see all the different versions in one place?
I'm still re-doing my space, but would be nice to know clearly what revision number we are on. Thanks.
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10-18-2020, 12:59 PM
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#10549
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by siniarch
Wait, so is this the first release out of Beta that Geoff just put out?
Is there a place to see all the different versions in one place?
I'm still re-doing my space, but would be nice to know clearly what revision number we are on. Thanks.
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So the answer to those 3 questions would be no, no and there isn't
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10-18-2020, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by siniarch
Wait, so is this the first release out of Beta that Geoff just put out?
Is there a place to see all the different versions in one place?
I'm still re-doing my space, but would be nice to know clearly what revision number we are on. Thanks.
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And unfortunately, the syntax changes means surface.zon files created to date will almost certainly need to be modified. Maybe we can crowdsource that part of it so the definitions on your site can get updated quickly.
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10-18-2020, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Funkybot
And unfortunately, the syntax changes means surface.zon files created to date will almost certainly need to be modified. Maybe we can crowdsource that part of it so the definitions on your site can get updated quickly.
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Quite so Welcome to the chaos that is CSI refactoring. It's probably better to just ignore the latest release until the tyres have been well and truly kicked.
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10-18-2020, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Funkybot
And unfortunately, the syntax changes means surface.zon files created to date will almost certainly need to be modified. Maybe we can crowdsource that part of it so the definitions on your site can get updated quickly.
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Well, I think we should have a place where you can see the different beta versions, have at the very least a short description of what changed from the previous version. Then the files on the site can all be referencing which version they were made under.
Eventually, we can have each file on my site be updated to the latest version when possible.
But without knowing which version they were created under, we are going to have tons of people turning away from CSI because things that should work will be broken because the CSI is different than when the MST and ZON files were made.
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10-18-2020, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by siniarch
Well, I think we should have a place where you can see the different beta versions, have at the very least a short description of what changed from the previous version. Then the files on the site can all be referencing which version they were made under.
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For that you'd really need the continued involvement of the people that created the files, which is unlikely. Some of the files on your site will have been created with very old versions of CSI, are unlikely to be updated and were probably broken even before the latest beta was released.
Until the CSI project reaches a point where the fundemental data structure is finalised, repositories of the kind you're envisioning aren't really practical. That's why help is provided to those who ask for it (just like Hogwarts ).
The best you can really hope for is that any new beta version comes with a selection of sample files which can be picked apart to discern what needs to be changed.
It may be possible, with Geoff's permission, to bundle the CSI extension used with the files created for it. That way each download would be it's own little system and internal compatibility would be ensured.
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But without knowing which version they were created under, we are going to have tons of people turning away from CSI because things that should work will be broken because the CSI is different than when the MST and ZON files were made.
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I'm quite sure that happens already. Some people are going to take one look at a CSI and walk away if it doesn't work perfectly OOTB.
CSI is not currently suitable for those people. The best they can hope for is that someone a little more patient and enquiring than they are owns the same surface as they do.
This is essentially what happens at the moment and is likely to continue until Geoff decides the goal posts are no longer going to be moved.
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10-18-2020, 02:21 PM
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Perhaps I'm assuming too much, but I kind of figured this massive rewrite was to clean things up as we approached the end. I'm thinking (perhaps hoping) the massive syntax changes are going to be a thing of the past now.
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10-18-2020, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Funkybot
Perhaps I'm assuming too much, but I kind of figured this massive rewrite was to clean things up as we approached the end. I'm thinking (perhaps hoping) the massive syntax changes are going to be a thing of the past now.
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Only one person knows the answer to that question
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10-18-2020, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MixMonkey
Only one person knows the answer to that question
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And the answer is... YES !
Unless there is something broken with the syntax, this is the final version.
That doesn't mean there will be no more additions to the syntax, but what is there now (aside from fixes where things are broken) is intended to be the final version.
And sorry for forgetting to mention TrackTouch got renamed to FaderTouch, which is what it actually is syntactically
Will look into OSC tomorrow.
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10-18-2020, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
And the answer is... YES !
Unless there is something broken with the syntax, this is the final version.
That doesn't mean there will be no more additions to the syntax, but what is there now (aside from fixes where things are broken) is intended to be the final version.
And sorry for forgetting to mention TrackTouch got renamed to FaderTouch, which is what it actually is syntactically
Will look into OSC tomorrow.
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That's good news
Couple of questions, if you will:
i) Is the FX menu operational? Can't get a thing out of it at the moment. Any novel syntax involved?
ii) Are Sends operational? Not seeing anything here either.
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10-18-2020, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MixMonkey
That's good news
Couple of questions, if you will:
i) Is the FX menu operational? Can't get a thing out of it at the moment. Any novel syntax involved?
ii) Are Sends operational? Not seeing anything here either.
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Just looked at the code, Sends are definitely broken and FX Menu likely is
Will have a look tomorrow.
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10-18-2020, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MixMonkey
Continuously sending data of all controls across all surfaces (some users have very large setups) is a waste of bandwidth and would likely slow system performance to a crawl.
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Originally Posted by mschnell
IMHO greatly bloating the Midi traffic is a nasty workaround.
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I just wrote some presets (about 70 traslation rules) for bome midi translator just to make sure it will work.
It's doing what x-touch can't do - storing received values from CSI and transmitting it to surface every second.
No mater on what layer you are. If you returning to correct layer, values are just receiving from software.
I checked it and didn't found Midi traffic bloating is affecting anything.
Now it even converts MCU feedback parameters to work in NON-MCU mode.
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10-18-2020, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Just looked at the code, Sends are definitely broken and FX Menu likely is
Will have a look tomorrow.
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Thanks, will look at other things.
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