v6.63+dev0707 - July 7 2022

[schwa]

v6.63+dev0707 - July 7 2022

• * Includes feature branch: render fade-in/fade-out
• * Includes feature branch: pan law/function improvements
• * Includes feature branch: media explorer loudness calculation
• * Includes feature branch: render statistics improvements
• * Includes feature branch: improve experimental silent-track CPU reduction option to include FX tail length
• * Includes feature branch: media item fixed lanes
• * Includes feature branch: internal pin management overhaul for future extension
• * Includes feature branch: track media/razor edit grouping
• + Batch converter: allow window to be resized to a smaller minimum height
• + Free item positioning: FIPM height edits respect media item grouping
• + Free item positioning: allow editing FIPM height for multiple selected items at once
• + Free item positioning: allow editing FIPM position for multiple selected/grouped items at once
• + Grouping matrix: add option to show/hide flags in matrix
• + Grouping: create and edit track media/razor edit groups in grouping matrix or track group settings dialog
• + Grouping: don't open "grouping for selected tracks" dialog if no tracks are selected
• + Grouping: enable "selecting one item selects group" by default for new projects
• + Grouping: media item edits on group-leader tracks will affect media items on all group-follower tracks, as if the media items were grouped
• + Grouping: razor edits on group-leader tracks will be mirrored on all group-follower tracks
• + Grouping: right-click in grouping matrix opens group settings dialog for already-selected tracks, rather than auto-selecting tracks
• + Grouping: support track media/razor edit groups, including leader/follower groups
• + Grouping: when setting/unsetting free item positioning, also modify grouped tracks
• + JSFX: sstillwell/randomizer supports 90-style note-offs [p=2575240]
• + Media item fixed lanes: actions to move media items up/down by lane respect item and track grouping
• + Media item fixed lanes: changing lane solo affects other selected or item-edit-grouped tracks
• + Mouse modifiers: set default media item shift+alt (shift+opt) click behavior to create razor edit area
• + Performance meter: show track media item CPU use
• + Project bay: add option to show track numbers in track column
• + Project bay: add performance column to FX tab
• + Project bay: default new folders to expanded
• + Project bay: display idle status for FX when applicable
• + Project bay: preserve selection when changing FX online/bypass, presets
• + Routing/Grouping/Render matrix: dynamically adjust margins to fit text
• + VST: do not show default preset name of 'Program 1' for plug-ins that do not have multiple programs
• # Grouping matrix: in detail view, display group name/ID consistently at start of group
• # Media item fixed lanes: remove lane collapse feature for now, feature will come back later
• # Media item fixed lanes: remove lane play marker feature for now, feature will come back later

This thread is for pre-release features discussion. Use the Feature Requests forum for other requests.

Changelog - Pre-Releases

Generated by X-Raym's REAPER ChangeLog to BBCode

[schwa]

# Media item fixed lanes: remove lane collapse feature for now, feature will come back later
# Media item fixed lanes: remove lane play marker feature for now, feature will come back later

We have reverted these features for some internal reimplementation, and to simplify development of the new track media/razor edit grouping feature. The lane play marker and lane collapse features will be back in a future build.

[ferropop]

Originally Posted by schwa

We have reverted these features for some internal reimplementation, and to simplify development of the new track media/razor edit grouping feature. The lane play marker and lane collapse features will be back in a future build.

Razors are the future. Almost all Time Selection actions not only have a Razor parallel, but are actually more natural and better-served by Razors. Happy to hear it.

[Triode]

Track grouping for editing! Great stuff!

[Freiin]

Unbelievable you guys are delivering huge features in a short amount of time.

Thanks! I'll test the new razor functions of course!

This feature alone makes reaper ahead of any daw in terms of audio editing.

[AZpercussion]

Razor editing for grouped tracks
Oh God! A long awaited feature!!
Thanks a lot!

[bolgwrad]

Yes, grouping looking v. interesting to say the least.

Couple of things: 6.63+dev705 shows video and images, +dev707 doesn't. No config changes done.

Not specific to 707, but I don't understand the 'group' icon in the separate copied item in the gif below if it (or successive copied group items) no longer belong to the group. Is there a preference to set?

[schwa]

Originally Posted by bolgwrad

I don't understand the 'group' icon in the separate copied item in the gif below if it (or successive copied group items) no longer belong to the group.

This isn't specific to +dev0707, but the group icon means "this item is part of an item group." If you copy items that are grouped, the copies are put in their own group. In the case of your screencap, the resulting item is in a group... that contains only that item. I suppose we could clean that up.

[Funkybot]

Originally Posted by schwa

v6.63+dev0707 - July 7 2022
[*]+ Mouse modifiers: set default media item shift+alt (shift+opt) click behavior to create razor edit area

So much great stuff in this release (Grouping! Project Bay!)!

One Mouse Modifier request please, please, please: Left-Drag in the timeline should have an option to create a time selection without looping. Currently, you can do both at the same time, but not Time Selection by itself.

With Razer Edits taking up more and more mouse modifier contexts in the main window, I think me and a bunch of other users would consider moving Time Selection creation to the timeline.

[musicbynumbers]

OH MY!!! group editing!!!

I'm not near reaper yet but will try this asap!

very excited by this. Thanks!

[musicbynumbers]

+ Project bay: add option to show track numbers in track column

Thanks for this too! super useful!

[bolgwrad]

@schwa; Thanks for the prompt answer

[sonictim]

Grouping is awesome! SO happy to see these features being implemented!

FEATURE REQUESTS:
Track Selection Grouping. So when you select one track in the group, it selects all the other tracks in the group. Perhaps this is another checkbox?

More Enable Toggles. I love "Track: Toggle all track grouping enabled" but it would also be nice to toggle Just the leads or Just the follows


POSSIBLE BUG:
I'm not sure if this is on purpose, but I've noticed that when I click the Lead/Follow buttons it seems to select exactly the opposite when it comes to Media/Razor Edit Follow...



Thanks for your awesome work!

[schwa]

Originally Posted by sonictim

Track Selection Grouping. So when you select one track in the group, it selects all the other tracks in the group. Perhaps this is another checkbox?

What would you use this for? If it were enabled then it seems like it would be easy to inadvertently edit volume, pan, etc on tracks that are not grouped for volume, pan, etc.

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by schwa

+ Grouping: create and edit track media/razor edit groups in grouping matrix or track group settings dialog

THIS. IS. AMAZING!!! Holey cow socks, thank you so much for this!!!!

[Mercado_Negro]

Wait a minute! Is this v7 already? Man, these are HUGE features!

[schwa]

Originally Posted by sonictim

when I click the Lead/Follow buttons it seems to select exactly the opposite when it comes to Media/Razor Edit Follow

Fixing, thanks.

[Sexan]

I love you devs!

[Mercado_Negro]

Just a question devs, are you planning to add a sort of panel with options to define what's actually grouped on items? For example, the first thing I tried after grouping two tracks/media was to split the leader just to see if the follower was also split but unfortunately this didn't happen so I thought that maybe not everyone would want that and people would prefer to decide what's part of the group: splits, fades, crossfades, volume, etc.

[Sexan]

Question regarding implementation:



In this case, should the top item move when smaller ones are moved?

Should it select only same or smaller length in its range?


Like this?

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

split the leader just to see if the follower was also split but unfortunately this didn't happen

This should split any items on follower tracks at the same time location. How exactly did you perform the split?

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Sexan

In this case, should the top item move when smaller ones are moved?

Should it select only same or smaller length in its range?

That's one of the many things to be worked out. Currently items are grouped if either encapsulates the other, but not if they only overlap on one edge.

[nofish]

Originally Posted by schwa

v6.63+dev0707 - July 7 2022[*]+ Mouse modifiers: set default media item shift+alt (shift+opt) click behavior to create razor edit area

In 'Mouse modifiers' menu it's called 'Select razor edit area', personally I'd find 'Create...' (as in changelog :P) more clear.

Also related, in a fresh portable install clicking on media item with shift+alt pressed it shows the pitch fork cursor icon instead of (as I would have expected) the razor icon, but it may be tricky to solve as 'Media item left drag' is set to Adjust take pitch (fine)', not sure what should take precedence here.

But furthermore, when I set 'Media item left drag shift+alt' to 'No action' creating a razor edit area with shift+alt click on an item doesn't seem to work anymore.

edit: All this behaviour is maybe not new, just never used/saw the 'Select razor edit area' mouse modifier behaviour before...)


Thanks for track based edit groups!

[Klangfarben]

I'm not sure if this applies to the new track edit grouping behavior, but if I set a track to volume lead and another set of tracks to volume follow and I place a volume automation point in the volume lead track, it does not place the volume point edit in all of the follow tracks. Is this expected behavior? Apologies if I'm jumping ahead here.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

I'm not sure if this applies to the new track edit grouping behavior, but if I set a track to volume lead and another set of tracks to volume follow and I place a volume automation point in the volume lead track, it does not place the volume point edit in all of the follow tracks. Is this expected behavior? Apologies if I'm jumping ahead here.

Yes that is the current/longstanding behavior, although it's not related to the new feature.

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by schwa

Yes that is the current/longstanding behavior, although it's not related to the new feature.

Understood. Thanks!

[mlprod]

Schwa is on fire!

[chmaha]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Wait a minute! Is this v7 already? Man, these are HUGE features!

Try 7th July = 0707? Pretty sure we will next see 6.64 but I suppose anything is possible!

[chmaha]

Is the plan to open up the item/razor grouping to be accessible by reaper.GetSetTrackGroupMembership?

[kindafishy]

Originally Posted by schwa

• + Project bay: add option to show track numbers in track column
• + Project bay: add performance column to FX tab
• + Project bay: default new folders to expanded
• + Project bay: display idle status for FX when applicable
• + Project bay: preserve selection when changing FX online/bypass, presets WOOHOO!!!!

Thanks Schwa and/or Justin !!!!

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by schwa

This should split any items on follower tracks at the same time location. How exactly did you perform the split?

I used the actions to split items under mouse cursor. I understand that "under mouse cursor" might be too literal in this case but maybe you could make this work for grouped track/media.

[Mercado_Negro]

Project Bay Suggestion:

When "group similar FX into single items" is checked could you please make it look like folders that we can expand individually to see what's going on with each FX in the group?

[Triode]

Originally Posted by schwa

That's one of the many things to be worked out. Currently items are grouped if either encapsulates the other, but not if they only overlap on one edge.

I think only completely encapsulated items should be moved or selected. IE: if item start and end points are within the start and end points of the selected item under the mouse, grouping should work.

PS: I made a collection of track grouping scripts. Maybe some ideas are useful. It's in this thread along with a video:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=2409558#

[Klangfarben]

One limitation I see with the new media item/razor edit track grouping is there doesn't seem to be an easy way to disable a specific group on the fly without going into the track grouping parameters/group matrix window and disabling there. Maybe at some point you could consider adding actions to enable/disable/toggle a specific group in addition to the Toggle all track grouping action?

[sockmonkey72]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

One limitation I see with the new media item/razor edit track grouping is there doesn't seem to be an easy way to disable a specific group on the fly without going into the track grouping parameters/group matrix window and disabling there. Maybe at some point you could consider adding actions to enable/disable/toggle a specific group in addition to the Toggle all track grouping action?

I agree with this. Some action to create/enable a "temporary group based on current selection" would also be exciting.

Thank you so much for these significant improvements.

[sonictim]

Originally Posted by schwa

What would you use this for? If it were enabled then it seems like it would be easy to inadvertently edit volume, pan, etc on tracks that are not grouped for volume, pan, etc.

For when you run actions on tracks....

Let's say you want to copy all the tracks in your group to another session. When you click one, and the rest are selected, you can run the copy track action and it will copy all your tracks in the group. You don't have to manually select all of them. Or if you want to add a plugin to all the tracks in your group. Or if you want to resize all the tracks in your group together. Or if you want to hide the tracks in your group...

Also, it gives immediate visual feedback as to which tracks are in your group. If you click a track and a bunch of other ones light up... it lets you know it's part of a group (i mean, aside from the colored little ticks) and also lets you know whether grouping is suspended or not (because maybe they didn't all light up when you thought they should have)...


But like I said, make it one of the grouping options (maybe one of the flags?) so if someone doesn't like it, or finds it confusing they can simply choose not to enable it.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by sonictim

For when you run actions on tracks....

Maybe for this purpose the existing actions "select all tracks in group X" would be just useful? Or a new action to select all tracks that are grouped with any selected tracks?

[sonictim]

Originally Posted by schwa

Maybe for this purpose the existing actions "select all tracks in group X" would be just useful? Or a new action to select all tracks that are grouped with any selected tracks?

Perhaps the latter... But it's still another action to run before running the action I want to run. I'd prefer to simply click any track in my group, see everything I need light up, and then run the action.

To me, the expected behavior for Track Grouping is, when enabled, if you do one thing to a track it will do it to all the other tracks. So if you select one track, the rest should select with it. If you want to run an action on only one track in the group... Suspend track grouping, and run the action.

Suspend/Enable track groups is probably one of my most used hotkeys in my daily workflow.

Of course I'm open to ideas to new workflows that might be better... If there are smarter faster methods to work, I'm all for them!

[sockmonkey72]

Originally Posted by schwa

[*]+ JSFX: sstillwell/randomizer supports 90-style note-offs [p=2575240]

I was like, what is a 90's style note-off? And then I got it.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

THIS. IS. AMAZING!!! Holey cow socks, thank you so much for this!!!!

Pro Tools style grouping?!!! Could be good!