v6.64+dev0803 - August 3 2022

sockmonkey72 · 08-03-2022, 11:40 AM

v6.64+dev0803 - August 3 2022

* Includes feature branch: CLAP plugin support
* Includes feature branch: track media/razor edit grouping
* Includes feature branch: pan law/function improvements
* Includes feature branch: improve experimental silent-track CPU reduction option to include FX tail length
* Includes feature branch: media item fixed lanes
* Includes feature branch: internal pin management overhaul for future extension
+ Media items: add theme elements and preference for item selection indicator, drawn below items
+ Media items: remove preference to collapse free item positioning when track is small
+ ReaGate: implement string to parameter conversion for threshold
# CLAP: scan for new plug-ins on Add-FX action to do so
# Clap: thread pool support
# Track grouping: handle mouse modifier to adjust item contents and right edge [p=2582906]

This thread is for pre-release features discussion. Use the Feature Requests forum for other requests.

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airon · 08-03-2022, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sockmonkey72

v6.64+dev0803 - August 3 2022

+ Media items: add theme elements and preference for item selection indicator, drawn below items

Handles kinda cool. Flexible in size. Could come in quite handy. Hope it sticks around for serious testing on a full release.

bolgwrad · 08-03-2022, 01:12 PM

Selection indicator is nice. I don't know if this edge gap is down to my preferences/theme or not.

AZpercussion · 08-03-2022, 01:57 PM

If you are working on theming, devs, please fix the bug which came several versions ago: track divider lines don't respect muting in 4th and 5th themes.

Looks tedious if there are a lot of muted tracks. Also item guide lines are less notiseable on muted tracks no matter of color.

nofish · 08-03-2022, 02:21 PM

First time checking out CLAP plugins in Reaper with this +dev version:
Changed the path for CLAP plugins (deleted default, added custom), pressed Re-scan button, Reaper didn't pick up any CLAP plugins, had to restart Reaper then it scanned properly.

Phazma · 08-03-2022, 02:23 PM

Related to item appearance, could we please also get an option to draw content of items below labels?

nofish · 08-03-2022, 02:33 PM

My CLAP plugin which uses the host's GUI doesn't display its 'Delay (MS)' paramter in the GUI, though it is exposed as automatable parameter.

(works in Bitwig, see screenshot on GitHub page)

nofish · 08-03-2022, 03:18 PM

The hosts's GUI sliders of CLAP plugins seems to act a bit 'lazy' in that when moving a slider faster, the actual accurate value is only displayed when releasing the mouse, doesn't happen with VST host GUI sliders.

(Haven't tried other CLAP plugins for comparison, so might be my plugin?)

Triode · 08-03-2022, 04:27 PM

My feedback on the item selection indicator is that it's another element adding complication.
The customisability of Reaper is its own enemy when it comes to visual simplicity IMO.

I have tinted the items in the theme I use to highlight the top bar.
(I know other folks set this element as part of the arrange background).
If it was possible I'd opt to keep the peaks out of the area with the item name.

Justin · 08-03-2022, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nofish

My CLAP plugin which uses the host's GUI doesn't display its 'Delay (MS)' paramter in the GUI, though it is exposed as automatable parameter.

(works in Bitwig, see screenshot on GitHub page)

ah thanks total bug on our side

Justin · 08-03-2022, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofish

The hosts's GUI sliders of CLAP plugins seems to act a bit 'lazy' in that when moving a slider faster, the actual accurate value is only displayed when releasing the mouse, doesn't happen with VST host GUI sliders.

(Haven't tried other CLAP plugins for comparison, so might be my plugin?)

Probably our fault, looking at a fix now, thanks!

schwa · 08-03-2022, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nofish

(Haven't tried other CLAP plugins for comparison, so might be my plugin?)

We can probably improve this but I also think the issue would be fixed if you implement the value_to_text() function in your plugin?

hans · 08-03-2022, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sockmonkey72

v6.64+dev0803 - August 3 2022[*]# Track grouping: handle mouse modifier to adjust item contents and right edge [p=2582906]

Still not working!

Grouped following edges are not following the leader.

Phazma · 08-03-2022, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triode

My feedback on the item selection indicator is that it's another element adding complication.
The customisability of Reaper is its own enemy when it comes to visual simplicity IMO.

I have tinted the items in the theme I use to highlight the top bar.
(I know other folks set this element as part of the arrange background).

Agree, it gets messier rather than simpler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triode

If it was possible I'd opt to keep the peaks out of the area with the item name.

That is the same FR I linked previously in this thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phazma

Related to item appearance, could we please also get an option to draw content of items below labels?

Triode · 08-04-2022, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Phazma

Agree, it gets messier rather than simpler.

That is the same FR I linked previously in this thread:

I remember you posting that! Was going to refer to it but couldn't find it!

In a nutshell, if the item selection indicator was a lighter area that highlighted the label area but didn't dissapear when item heights are small like the label area does and the peaks didn't overlap that area either things would look more unified, less cluttered.

mschnell · 08-04-2022, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sockmonkey72

v6.64+dev0803 - August 3 2022

# Clap: thread pool support

Does the thread pool CLAP plugins can (or are supposed to) use need to be provided by the host ?

-Michael

xpander · 08-04-2022, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nofish

Changed the path for CLAP plugins (deleted default, added custom), pressed Re-scan button, Reaper didn't pick up any CLAP plugins, had to restart Reaper then it scanned properly.

I didn't change the default CLAP plugin path in preferences, but my results were similar. After the install of two CLAP plugins (Surge XT & FX), Reaper acted like they didn't exist. No CLAP directories in FX left pane list, even though they were selected as showing in there. No New folder either. Rescanning plugin directories did nothing, but after Reaper restart, they all showed up and work.

edit: Now CLAP version of TAL-U-No-LX installed fine and was also immediately on New plugins list as well. No re-scan nor restart required. So here it seems this problem exists only the first time a CLAP plugin is installed.

mike@overtonedsp · 08-04-2022, 03:47 AM

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We can probably improve this but I also think the issue would be fixed if you implement the value_to_text() function in your plugin?

I think this might be related to an issue I had with inability to set the parameter to max / min values using Reapers UI in +dev802 here:

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=12

and further details

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=22

I can fix this particular max / min value issue if I call host->request_flush when asked for a parameter value, but this feels like a hack

Funkybot · 08-04-2022, 07:30 AM

Not a high priority, but hoping CLAP will eventually be added to the FX Browser under the "If Duplicates Show..." menu item.

BrokenTriplet · 08-04-2022, 08:04 AM

The old flaw that 'Note On' events with velocity = 0 aren't rewritten to 'Note Off' that plagued VST3i's seems to have resurfaced with CLAPi.

Honestly, I'm surprised the CLAP protocol didn't insist on fixing this at their end, but it looks like Reaper's going to need to rewrite those events like it does for VST3s.

nofish · 08-04-2022, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofish

First time checking out CLAP plugins in Reaper with this +dev version:
Changed the path for CLAP plugins (deleted default, added custom), pressed Re-scan button, Reaper didn't pick up any CLAP plugins, had to restart Reaper then it scanned properly.

Might be that I have forgotten to press 'Apply' before pressing 'Re-scan'.
Now on another Reaper install (where I payed attention to press 'Apply') it worked without restarting Reaper, sorry for the potential false alarm.

Lannister · 08-04-2022, 09:36 AM

Can't use the Up/Down Arrows on my keyboard to scroll through the presets on the preset page of the CLAP versions of u-he Diva, Hive, Ace and MFM2.

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=582950

Edgemeal · 08-04-2022, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nofish

Might be that I have forgotten to press 'Apply' before pressing 'Re-scan'.
Now on another Reaper install (where I payed attention to press 'Apply') it worked without restarting Reaper, sorry for the potential false alarm.

I fell into the same trap, I just expected clicking re-scan would apply any changes made to the path field and then do the scan.

Mercado_Negro · 08-04-2022, 04:50 PM

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+ Media items: add theme elements and preference for item selection indicator, drawn below items

Where's the preference to disable this please?

schwa · 08-04-2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Where's the preference to disable this please?

In preferences/appearance/media item positioning, you can move the slider all the way to the left to make it zero size.

Mercado_Negro · 08-04-2022, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by schwa

In preferences/appearance/media item positioning, you can move the slider all the way to the left to make it zero size.

Thanks, Schwa. I guess I didn't search properly in the first place.

Tas from planet u-he · 08-04-2022, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lannister

Can't use the Up/Down Arrows on my keyboard to scroll through the presets on the preset page of the CLAP versions of u-he Diva, Hive, Ace and MFM2.

Works fine over here, as long as the plugin has the keyboard focus.
Tested on M1 and Intel Mac with the Reaper 0803 and 0804 builds.

Tas from planet u-he · 08-04-2022, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mschnell

Does the thread pool CLAP plugins can (or are supposed to) use need to be provided by the host ?

That's the whole idea of the thread pool. It's provided and managed by the host, so no more clashes between host and plugin when it comes to resource allocation, resulting in much improved performance.
Of course, both the host and the plugin have to support this feature.

You can read more about it here:
https://cleveraudio.org/1-feature-ov.../_thread-pool/

Lannister · 08-05-2022, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tas from planet u-he

Works fine over here, as long as the plugin has the keyboard focus.
Tested on M1 and Intel Mac with the Reaper 0803 and 0804 builds.

Windows 10, latest pre. Still not working here. It seems that the Plugin Window has the focus, and not the plugin itself, if that makes sense. I press the Up Arrow key and the preset dropdown list element is focused.

Tas from planet u-he · 08-05-2022, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lannister

Windows 10, latest pre. Still not working here.

Ah, Windows, that was the missing detail, thanks for that.

Yes, can confirm, on Windows Reaper currently does not seem to hand over some keys to the CLAP plugin.
We'll check if this is something we can fix, or if it's a Reaper issue.
In the meantime you have to enable the "send all keyboard to plugin" option to make it work in the CLAP plugin.

Lannister · 08-05-2022, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tas from planet u-he

Ah, Windows, that was the missing detail, thanks for that.

Yes, can confirm, on Windows Reaper currently does not seem to hand over some keys to the CLAP plugin.
We'll check if this is something we can fix, or if it's a Reaper issue.
In the meantime you have to enable the "send all keyboard to plugin" option to make it work in the CLAP plugin.

Thanks for the info! I checked the thread I linked above, to your kvr forum, before I posted here. I don't have bitwig to compare, so wasn't sure if I should post it there or here.

It would be cool if there was a barebones spec-compliant CLAP host to doublecheck with.