Old 03-03-2010, 08:44 AM   #1
Ollie
Super Moderator (no feelings)
 
Ollie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: On or near a dike
Posts: 9,775
Default [IID#1242] Steps in volume faders

Link to FR. Please vote here.
Learn more about the Feature Request tracker here

Summary line:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingle
the volume faders in reaper can be as precise as 0.01db. very few people can hear this. also it's not very easy to set with the mouse the exactly value of the 3rd number, so it's not really useful.

this fr is for an option in preferences called "snap volume faders at"

options:
no snap
0.1db
0.5db
1.0db

this would make things easier to remember the values of all channels (i use to memorize them) and to set two or more faders to the same value.

thanks!


**EDIT**

this fr is about faders, but it would be also useful if applied to envelopes, item's volume, etc... everything that deals with dbs in reaper.
Ollie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2010, 08:50 AM   #2
Ollie
Super Moderator (no feelings)
 
Ollie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: On or near a dike
Posts: 9,775
Default Discussion transfer from IID1242

Quote:
Originally Posted by hantymansy
that's a good idea.
btw - i like how the work with faders implemented in cubase. I kan simply move them with mouse, I kan use mouse wheel to do step changes and I kan also use shift+mouse for more precise steps. The idea with snapping + cubase koncept would be kool
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
It seems that this should work this way when you set (Preferences/Editing Behavior/...) Volume Fader Shape to 1, but it doesn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingle
i may be wrong, but i think that one thing has nothing to do with another.

the "Volume Fader Shape" option toggles between linear and logaritimic curves
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
Well they kind of do, as they change the way the volume ramps (which is essentially the step).

Set at 2.3 (with 10 steps going down with the mouse scroll wheel)
  • 0
  • -.01
  • -.05
  • -.13
  • -.25
  • -.42
  • -.64
  • -.91
  • -1.23
  • -1.62

Set at 1.0 (with 10 steps going down with the mouse scroll wheel)
  • 0
  • -1.54
  • -3.07
  • -4.61
  • -6.14
  • -7.68
  • -9.22
  • -10.7
  • -12.2
  • -13.8

You're basically asking for something like this, but in set increments of 1, 0.5, and ,0.1

Theoretical set at 1 Snap
  • 0
  • -1
  • -2
  • -3
  • -4
  • -5
  • -6
  • -7
  • -8
  • -9

and in 0.5 and 0.1 also.
Quote:
Originally Posted by yhertogh
a dB curve is always logaritmic, isnt it ? Shape = 1 is a pure curve, where every tick of the mousewheel (or decrementing a CC value by 1) gives you the same amount of attenuation in dB. The shape value allows you to get more granular around the 0dB point. I am not sure how shape is used in order to calculate the curve.

Yves
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
Yes, a setting of 1 is relatively equal in curve, ~1.55 attenuation.

A setting of 2.3 changes logarithmically.

* What we need is a the pure or curve of 1 with values either 1, 0.5, or 0.1 as an option instead of the ~1.55 that you currently achieve with the curve set at 1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by yhertogh
Actually the 1.55 dB is only because you've set your fader range to a certain value. I did some experimenting and if you set your fader range to 49.5 dB , every mouse wheel movement results in exactly one dB attenuation! This might be a workaround for the OP.

Saddly it is different with MIDI CCs, i guess the resolution is different compared to the mousewheel

Yves
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
How did you get this? As you have to set two settings for the fader range X to Y. What did you use for each, and you also used 1 for the shape?
Quote:
Originally Posted by xackley
and for the volumes to display as a whole number (no decimal) when set to 1db increments.
Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Reaper has only one scale. How about three ? I've posted this shot before. The one on the right is the idea.

[img]http://img34.**************/img34/8555/faderscalingb.png[/img]

0.1dB steps are a good grid to stick to, no matter what height the fader area or envelope track is. Same mouse motion, same jump in value slots. These crooked inbetweener values just complicate matters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
Sounds good to me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanrabby
a fader RANGE of -50 to +16 that i use for live sound, AND then using a 1.0 fader ratio/log value, gives just about 1 db up or down with scroll wheel. try it. i have had that set up for years...
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice
Hi,
You have my vote on this one! I put up a similar request and it got closed because they said it was a duplicate post. My example is posted here:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2123 Let's try to get this rolling again and get it voted on. Thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by antiClick
this also seems somewhat related;
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1994
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice
Yes, but that thread is talking about automation curves relating to envelopes.
I was trying to request this on a video demo I uploaded here:

http://www.wyattrice.com/examplevvcmc.html

and there is also a discussion thread here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=52460
Quote:
Originally Posted by antiClick
mmmm, not exactly. it's about the fader action over the percieved volume change.

i just edited that issue posted above to make it a bit clearer
Quote:
Originally Posted by evanrabby
i have reaper set up right now so one scroll wheel click is 1 db, thats with db shape set to 1.0 in prefs, and +16 to -50 scale.

this is exactly how i want them set up. linear numbers of db per movement, linear db all the way to -50 and to +16 in terms of fader movement as well.

any changes, as usual need to keep the backward compatibility of db shape and scale settings and just add on to it. for me ill never need to have any other setting thatn the waqy it is now it turns out,.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice
Thanks antiClick, +1 you got my vote! It is indeed the same ideal. I'm just a bit confused about why anyone here would not like this as a option. What gives? Thanks!
12345
Ollie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2010, 01:01 PM   #3
joeymusicguy
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 124
Default

i want this more than anything in the world

i never set anything to inbetween values...

honestly if this feature was available, i'd probably just uninstall cubase and logic haha

please also add 1.5 db or the ability to just type in smallest step size

Last edited by joeymusicguy; 05-23-2010 at 01:17 PM.
joeymusicguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2010, 04:09 PM   #4
AdamWathan
Human being with feelings
 
AdamWathan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge, Ontario
Posts: 2,644
Default

Definitely in favor of this, the options of 0.1, 0.5 or 1 are all perfect IMO. I could easily get by with just 0.5db increments and it keeps everything nice and neat and easy!
AdamWathan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2010, 04:36 PM   #5
WyattRice
Human being with feelings
 
WyattRice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,017
Default

Wow!
14 votes in one day .
WyattRice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2010, 04:32 PM   #6
joeymusicguy
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 124
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice View Post
Wow!
14 votes in one day .
lets just say i know some people. =p
__________________
REAPER > PT
please vote for user-definable stepped volume faders: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1242
joeymusicguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2010, 03:40 AM   #7
sebas777
Human being with feelings
 
sebas777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,183
Default

How about a simple graphical curve to edit the fader scale to make it more or less linear, and to do it as you work (an item in the mixer context menu) ?

And yes, definable steps (snapping to a "grid", by-passable +shift) make sense. +1 !
sebas777 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2010, 03:42 AM   #8
Zero_G
Human being with feelings
 
Zero_G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Tuscany, ITALY
Posts: 28
Default

Many other (inferior) DAW have these scales, so totally agree on this... +1 for me!
__________________
Smile, and the world smiles with you.
Cry, and you'll cry alone.
Zero_G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2010, 10:56 AM   #9
tombuur
Human being with feelings
 
tombuur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Denmark
Posts: 465
Default

I would like snapping faders, provided snapping only worked when Alt was pressed (or some other appropriate key).

I too hate when the fader says something -6.03 dB and I just can make it latch at -6.00 dB. But on the other hand I would like to move freely too, at least until I have an idea of what it should sound like.

All faders should respond to the mousewheel. Slower movement if shift is pressed. Ctrl + click should set the fader at 0 dB. And yes, snapping at certain values when moving the fader with Alt pressed would complete this.
__________________
Reaper 5, latest release, 64-bit w SWS |GA Z270 UD5|Intel i7 K7700|32 GB RAM|Fireface 800|500GB SSD sys, 1TB SSD Rec, 4TB HDD samples|Win 10 64bit|Dynaudio BM6A|Softube Console 1|Sonnox|Waves|Melda|Superior 3|Komplete 12U|Melodyne|Slate|Izotope.
tombuur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2010, 07:19 AM   #10
AdamWathan
Human being with feelings
 
AdamWathan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge, Ontario
Posts: 2,644
Default

Buuuump, pleaaaase add this feature. Nobody likes looking at -3.51db when they are just trying to get -3.5. It's gotta be pretty simple to add some sort of snapping to the faders right?

Right now everything just goes in really weird awkward steps, even when holding ctrl to fine tune. For example it's impossible for me to get -5db, it has to be -4.99db or -5.04. If you are going to force Reaper to jump in any sort of increments, at least make them logical ones!

It is totally unnecessary to go into 2 decimal points, x.x would be more than sufficient. Any sources I've found online indicate that the smallest difference in volume humans can perceive is about 1db, so being able to make adjustments at one tenth of that scale should be enough to satisfy even the most sensitive of ears.
AdamWathan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2010, 09:08 AM   #11
WyattRice
Human being with feelings
 
WyattRice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamWathan View Post
Buuuump, pleaaaase add this feature. Nobody likes looking at -3.51db when they are just trying to get -3.5. It's gotta be pretty simple to add some sort of snapping to the faders right?

Right now everything just goes in really weird awkward steps, even when holding ctrl to fine tune. For example it's impossible for me to get -5db, it has to be -4.99db or -5.04. If you are going to force Reaper to jump in any sort of increments, at least make them logical ones!

It is totally unnecessary to go into 2 decimal points, x.x would be more than sufficient. Any sources I've found online indicate that the smallest difference in volume humans can perceive is about 1db, so being able to make adjustments at one tenth of that scale should be enough to satisfy even the most sensitive of ears.
I agree with you Adam. I don't really know how to do a mockup of this, but I suggested the Vegas way of doing it, like clicking right above the fader, or above the line for tenths of a db, then on the line for 1 db steps. Of course this would be an option. See demo below.



Thanks, Wyatt
Please vote for it here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1242

Last edited by WyattRice; 07-31-2010 at 09:36 AM.
WyattRice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2010, 09:12 AM   #12
beatbybit
Human being with feelings
 
beatbybit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hungary
Posts: 3,129
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wyattrice View Post
.. the Vegas way of doing it, like clicking .. on the line for 1 db steps. Of course this would be an option.
again, +1000 to this.
__________________
panda in the desert
beatbybit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2017, 10:20 AM   #13
The-Zeronaut
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 286
Default

I need this so much >.<
The-Zeronaut is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2018, 05:24 AM   #14
Luster
Human being with feelings
 
Luster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 602
Default

+1 from my side
Luster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2020, 11:41 AM   #15
samkshaw
Human being with feelings
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Astoria, NY
Posts: 4
Default

Reviving a 10-year-old thread, I know, but I'm really disappointed that this hasn't yet been implemented. I voted for this years ago! I know it's pretty trivial (it would mostly help calm my audio engineer OCD) but it seems like such a simple thing to implement.

FWIW, (and I don't know if it would be a separate feature request or part of this one), but to be able to constraint the pan pots to 5% or 10% increments would be great, too.
samkshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2020, 06:28 PM   #16
ANDYZ
Human being with feelings
 
ANDYZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 80
Default

+1 vote
ANDYZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.