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08-18-2019, 03:48 PM
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why i switched back to LMMS
less complicated. comes with already built in sounds that you can customize. only downside i see is that you cant attach it to an interface. but maybe they'll work on it.
comments thoughts ?
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08-18-2019, 04:34 PM
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Nothing wrong with that.
LMMS is Ok for bedroom EDM creation.
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08-18-2019, 04:35 PM
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What is LMMS? (I know Google knows, but...)
Ah, it is Ardour, but with some VST support + FLStudio facelift?!
Can't record Audio, is this a joke!?
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08-18-2019, 04:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adXok
What is LMMS? (I know Google knows, but...)
Ah, it is Ardour, but with some VST support + FLStudio facelift?!
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it stands for linux multimedia studio.
i don't know i just like it
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08-18-2019, 04:44 PM
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It's a very basic FL Studio clone.
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08-18-2019, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Giovanni_B
It's a very basic FL Studio clone.
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but sometimes basic is all you need
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08-18-2019, 05:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperguy27
less complicated. comes with already built in sounds that you can customize. only downside i see is that you cant attach it to an interface. but maybe they'll work on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w7OgIMMRc4
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Thanks for that useful information. Btw, I had fish today.
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08-18-2019, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperguy27
less complicated. comes with already built in sounds that you can customize. only downside i see is that you cant attach it to an interface. but maybe they'll work on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w7OgIMMRc4
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You do you, LMMS guy. Enjoy!
That is kinda cool that there's a free FL-ish proggy out there. One could make cool little loops and whatnot to use in Reaper. But probably the time would be better used for me developing my Reaper skills.
What does the GnR vid have to do with anything?
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08-18-2019, 06:36 PM
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What does that mean "you cant attach it to an interface"?
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08-18-2019, 10:09 PM
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Whatever you say, lmmsguy27
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08-18-2019, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
What does that mean "you cant attach it to an interface"?
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as far as i know you can't hoop up an audio interface to record vocials in LMMS and the metronome doesn't count you in.
I just find diffrerent things i like about both of them, but honstly i am starting to gravitate back towards reaper becasue i am finding things that are not in LMMS that i really like
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08-18-2019, 11:32 PM
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Reaper is not complicated anyway, I'm a moron and use it just fine.
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08-18-2019, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by _Stevie_
Btw, I had fish today.
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Myself as well! Salmon and shrimp. Fish is delish!
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08-18-2019, 11:43 PM
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you people are idiots just saying
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08-19-2019, 12:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _Stevie_
Thanks for that useful information. Btw, I had fish today.
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your welcome.
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08-19-2019, 01:05 AM
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08-19-2019, 01:08 AM
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I came to Reaper quite a while ago from LMMS. That was the first "DAW" I ever used when I got interested in electronic music and I learned quite a lot with it.
But I got frustrated with all the useful VSTs that it couldn't run. And it's pretty poor at even using audio after you've recorded it in some other program (typically Audacity). It's certainly fairly simple to use but that's mainly because what you can do with it is very limited.
It's not a bad starting point and if it provides everything you need then by all means go for it. I still use it occasionally, mainly because I like the implementation of ZynSubAddFx, a versatile but very far from simple to use synth.
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08-19-2019, 01:10 AM
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Wow, LMMs must have improved enormously in the last 4-5 years
It used to be awful in comparison to Reaper. LMMS had poor (by the best freeware standards) instruments, and lousy VST compatibility. At that point it was merely a poor man's weak copy of Fruity Loops.
Perhaps you might prefer Fruity Loops to Reaper too?
I liked what they were trying to do with the totally free DAW concept though.
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08-19-2019, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Softsynth
Wow, LMMs must have improved enormously in the last 4-5 years
It used to be awful in comparison to Reaper. LMMS had poor (by the best freeware standards) instruments, and lousy VST compatibility. At that point it was merely a poor man's weak copy of Fruity Loops.
Perhaps you might prefer Fruity Loops to Reaper too?
I liked what they were trying to do with the totally free DAW concept though.
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i like that you can EQ the samples even before they go into the mix.
i've had no problems with vst compatability. you just have to point it to the right folder at lest thats my experience.
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08-19-2019, 02:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperguy27
less complicated. comes with already built in sounds that you can customize. only downside i see is that you cant attach it to an interface. but maybe they'll work on it.
comments thoughts ?
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08-19-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SoulOne82
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08-19-2019, 11:05 AM
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LMMS is fantastic, my first real DAW (if Rebirth doesn't count), but I switched to Reaper because LMMS had limitations accessing and recording automation for certain VSTis parameters. Also recording audio. However I might go back and remix some of my old LMMS tunes now that I know a little more about mixing/mastering. I'm sure I'll get a little emotional when I see those little blue rectangles, lol
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08-19-2019, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by davetbass
LMMS is fantastic, my first real DAW (if Rebirth doesn't count), but I switched to Reaper because LMMS had limitations accessing and recording automation for certain VSTis parameters. Also recording audio. However I might go back and remix some of my old LMMS tunes now that I know a little more about mixing/mastering. I'm sure I'll get a little emotional when I see those little blue rectangles, lol
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you totally should
you can also check out this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQCb6zJ7wU
and this if your interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy8rLIsK6cg
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08-19-2019, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Giovanni_B
Nothing wrong with that.
LMMS is Ok for bedroom EDM creation.
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Also for kitchen- and lumber-room creation!
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08-19-2019, 01:09 PM
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O.P. - did you ever actually watch any of the reaper tutorial videos so you got a better understanding of all the questions you have raised since you started posting on here?
Reading through all your previous posts, it gives me the impression that your eyeballs rolled back in your head when you looked at the Reaper User Guide (kinda like mine did) and you didnt bother looking at any of the excellent videos.
Worth a try....
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08-19-2019, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ivansc
O.P. - did you ever actually watch any of the reaper tutorial videos so you got a better understanding of all the questions you have raised since you started posting on here?
Reading through all your previous posts, it gives me the impression that your eyeballs rolled back in your head when you looked at the Reaper User Guide (kinda like mine did) and you didnt bother looking at any of the excellent videos.
Worth a try....
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i read the users guide. it's very long so i kind of lost interest
but yes there are some good videos and threads of people explaining things.
i just think when you're choosing a daw it depends what you need it to do.
it's there to help you create music. and most of us are musicians not programmers that are using these things. so they should be user friendly
but i'm not saying reaper sucks. it's probably my inexperience with it. after all i only picked it up a week ago so how much could i possably know
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08-19-2019, 02:41 PM
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Going back into the mists of time, my first song that I ever mixed was on LMMS
I was broke and it was a great learning tool. This was followed by Cubase and then I sensibly moved on to Reaper, having carefully considered ProTools.
LMMS has come a long way with few resources. A dedicated bunch of people doing their best.
Sometimes it ain't pretty, but it is intuitive and gets many a young hopeful up and running.
Happy days.
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08-19-2019, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fred garvin
Myself as well! Salmon and shrimp. Fish is delish!
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"(I don't like fish, hate fish, I don't like fish)"
-R. Waters-
Smart man, that Roger... :-)
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08-19-2019, 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperguy27
as far as i know you can't hoop up an audio interface to record vocials in LMMS and the metronome doesn't count you in.
I just find diffrerent things i like about both of them, but honstly i am starting to gravitate back towards reaper becasue i am finding things that are not in LMMS that i really like
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Then how in the hell do you use the thing? Just for mixing?
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08-19-2019, 09:33 PM
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Not sure what the OP is smoking: https://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title...Audio_Settings
You can't actually record any audio though; the creators don't seem to have any interest in that since it's not meant to be a DAW.
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08-19-2019, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
Then how in the hell do you use the thing? Just for mixing?
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For making MIDI and virtual instruments based music.
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08-19-2019, 09:35 PM
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The poster didn't initially make clear that he meant LMMS doesn't allow recording audio.
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08-20-2019, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by reaperguy27
but i'm not saying reaper sucks. it's probably my inexperience with it. after all i only picked it up a week ago so how much could i possably know
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Now THAT is funny. So you are running a thread in the Reaper forums about how LMMS is wonderful and you are dumping Reaper because of the great experience you are having with LMMS?
Well good for you, but ONE WEEK of experience with Reaper brought you to that decision so firmly you decided to start a thread implying that LMMS is much better than Reaper? In the Reaper forums?
Not entirely sure how to react to this, other than saying that you at least provided the rest of us with some amusement, especially now you have laid out your total experience with Reaper. How long have you been using LMMS & what are you going to use once you dfecide that is no good, too?
Have to say I am now enjoying the surreal nature of this thread a lot.
Where are we going next?
P.S. I may download LMMS jsut for the hell of it as and when I dedicate one of my old PCs to Linux again.
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Originally Posted by jp65535
"(I don't like fish, hate fish, I don't like fish)"
-R. Waters-
Smart man, that Roger... :-)
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08-20-2019, 01:25 AM
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The OP should watch more of Kenny's video, as already suggested.
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Originally Posted by ivansc
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P.S. I may download LMMS jsut for the hell of it as and when I dedicate one of my old PCs to Linux again.
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To be fair I never tried it on Linux, just the Windows version and it was several years back.
Reaperguy27,
Now there are several other free DAWs I see no reason to bother with LMMS's restrictions, based on my experience with it:
https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk
https://www.tracktion.com/products/t7-daw
https://www.presonus.com/products/St...get-studio-one
These are in some cases cut down or older versions of newer commercial products but more advanced than LMMS - unless LMMS has massively improved (though I remember even one of LMMS's main proponents ditching it for Fruity Loops at the time).
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt perhaps LMMS improved significantly in the last 5yrs?
Reaper costs so little it is definitely worth the price over these free options anyway.
If you want a low cost in the box DAW with good built in synths Mulab would be worth considering too:
https://www.mutools.com/mulab-product.html
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08-20-2019, 02:22 AM
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Revenge of the Fish!
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08-20-2019, 04:22 AM
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Best place for fish is in the ocean, not on a dinner plate.
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Best place for fish is in the ocean, not on a dinner plate.
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Either way these days they come wrapped in plastic!
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08-26-2019, 02:44 PM
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Clarification!
(Finally, I can post!) Anyway, I wanted to enlighten people a few things about LMMMS as I am an avid supporter of FLOSS software and well, of course a Linux user but I feel like clarification should be done for the sake of getting things right I suppose! (I have REAPER too for clarification)
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Originally Posted by adXok
What is LMMS? (I know Google knows, but...)
Ah, it is Ardour, but with some VST support + FLStudio facelift?!
Can't record Audio, is this a joke!?
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Nope! LMMS was developed earlier than Ardour (a year before actually), I believe their interface has been very consistent since their initial releases and the developers tried to make it stay like that. It can't record audio because is not meant for those actions, is meant for VST and midi compositions, that being said, the team did address this and they'll put a recording feature for the next version. So no, is no joke ;D
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Originally Posted by Softsynth
Wow, LMMs must have improved enormously in the last 4-5 years
It used to be awful in comparison to Reaper. LMMS had poor (by the best freeware standards) instruments, and lousy VST compatibility. At that point it was merely a poor man's weak copy of Fruity Loops.
Perhaps you might prefer Fruity Loops to Reaper too?
I liked what they were trying to do with the totally free DAW concept though.
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Originally Posted by Softsynth
The OP should watch more of Kenny's video, as already suggested.
To be fair I never tried it on Linux, just the Windows version and it was several years back.
Reaperguy27,
Now there are several other free DAWs I see no reason to bother with LMMS's restrictions, based on my experience with it:
https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk
https://www.tracktion.com/products/t7-daw
https://www.presonus.com/products/St...get-studio-one
These are in some cases cut down or older versions of newer commercial products but more advanced than LMMS - unless LMMS has massively improved (though I remember even one of LMMS's main proponents ditching it for Fruity Loops at the time).
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt perhaps LMMS improved significantly in the last 5yrs?
Reaper costs so little it is definitely worth the price over these free options anyway.
If you want a low cost in the box DAW with good built in synths Mulab would be worth considering too:
https://www.mutools.com/mulab-product.html
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It has improved dramatically actually! Most of the problems people have complained about LMMS were earlier versions of it, like 1.1.3 or the like, the new update (1.2.0) puts it very competitive with all other DAWs out in the market while having a solid edge in some cases or others (Then again, I don't believe in market in this particular case because LMMS is a project, not a product but oh well) (So yeah, is not "awful" like years ago compared to REAPER, it has grown so much it now has some edges over it, like LADSPA support, this is of course only for Linux users though)
The top answer in this particular case answers it well: https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-LMMS-or-FL-STUDIO
And I recommend this video if you want to see the developer answers in the comments and someone knowledgeable on DAWs (on Linux) here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5j8c2qlih0M
Of course I can't speak from a Windows user but if the VST compatibility is about as good as the other DAWs, and recording will be implemented soon enough, then is just another option people can take to make music. Interface and workflow of course are different from each DAW
Addressing the OP, choose the DAW that you'll feel the most comfortable with or has a ton of tutorials available to get you started. Workflow and Interface gets you very different results depending on who you ask, someone may prefer to compose on FL Studio, Ableton, Bitwig, etc. or use REAPER (like most people here naturally) here while watching Kenny's videos, reading the manual, etc.
Most DAWs have grown to the point where your tastes and needs define what you want to do with them, in the end, they are tools to get you up and running with music composition. You can also use two or three at the same time, not exactly unheard of, but in the end is up to you how you want to address this. If you feel REAPER is the right choice, if you feel LMMS go ahead, if you feel both are the right choice, sure!
At the end of the day, if you are planning on providing your own plugins to the DAW, then, the point above still stands and is actually easier to choose as you'll pick the DAW you feel is going to make it worth it. In the end is all about composing music so learning some music theory and practising can get you far, after all, no DAW in the world is going to compose music for you without your intervention!
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08-26-2019, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KingPancake
It has improved dramatically actually! Most of the problems people have complained about LMMS were earlier versions of it, like 1.1.3 or the like, the new update (1.2.0) puts it very competitive with all other DAWs ...
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Thank you KingPancake for your infos about LMMS.
I think most astonishing is:
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It is 100% open-source, meaning that literally anybody in the world can improve the program.
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