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Old 02-10-2015, 01:36 PM   #1
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I have been experimenting with a great new feature to allow the visual editor and sound editor to work in parallel much more easily via my project translation tool.

Vordio is now able to ‘re-conform’ a previously translated Reaper project to conform to a later version of the visual edit.

This will be so much less hassle when no edit lock is possible, and to be honest, these days edit-lock is dying out as rule anybody sticks too anyway.

Audio items in the Reaper project will be moved and colour coded to indicate how they were altered during re-conform. This makes it easy for the sound editor to know where to pay attention to changes.

http://vordio.net/reconform/

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This is awesome. Can't wait for this to be available!
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Can't wait John. Love to test it.

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This is awesome. Can't wait for this to be available!
It is available now along with a few other new features.

Bear in mind that the new reconform feature only works on a project converted with 4.1 as Vordio needs to embed tracking info in the Reaper project items in order to reconform them later.

Just uploaded 4.1.

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People have asked what other video editing formats I will support in future.

The most practical are any open readable formats without intellectual property barriers. OMF/AAF are a world of pain due to licensing issues and also quirky technical interpretations of those 'standards' by different DAWs. I remember the pain of receiving OMF/AAFs that would open in one DAW but not another.

This leaves the possibility of easy support for MEXML and EDL without any obvious legal/technical obstacles.

This would give sound editors access to many other video editing programs such as Premier, Vegas, Edius, Avid, FCP7 and any others that will export either MEXML or EDL.

I would appreciate receiving real projects in MEXML/EDL formats for testing purposes. The more test cases I have, the less bugs are likely.

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Old 03-25-2015, 09:43 AM   #6
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This is awesome. Can't wait for this to be available!
Just released Vordio 4.2 which includes XML support for Premiere, Lightworks & FCP 7. No multicam yet but not long until that is added.

Also has a new reconform feature that makes it possible to reconform audio that wasn't even in the original edit!

By 'locking' newly added audio to audio that came from the edit (using the Reaper 'group' function), reconform can take the new audio with it. Audio moved in this way will be marked purple.

http://vordio.net/vordio-4-2-release/
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This is looking great. I hope to try this out on a project where it's required. The license fee is no problem at all, considering how much time it would save me. The reconform especially looks exceptionally useful and seems to be a great way to handle things.

Thankfully I still have my old Macbook Pro to use this tool as well.
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This is looking great. I hope to try this out on a project where it's required. The license fee is no problem at all, considering how much time it would save me. The reconform especially looks exceptionally useful and seems to be a great way to handle things.

Thankfully I still have my old Macbook Pro to use this tool as well.
I am actually thinking of doing a windows version as well. It didn't make much sense with FCPX as it's mac only program anyway but for Premiere & Lightworks they also run on windows too. Makes sense to do it now.
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There was a bug in volume automation in the new support for Premiere etc. So I just released an update to 4.2.1

Also added an enhancement to the reconform workflow. I added a new concept - 'locked audio to reconform'.

Basically if you add new audio to a sound edit, reconform won't know what to do with it, so now reconform considers reaper groups aswell.

So if you use Reaper group function to group new audio added with audio that originally came from the edit and is unlikely to be deleted, then reconform can pick up the new audio and move it relative to the grouped item. It will be marked purple to show this has happened.

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I just wanted to mention a trick that sound editors can use if you want your clients to send you a Vordio transcoded Reaper project.

For a basic conversion, the client doesn't actually need to buy a second license.

Here is the workflow for one license only at the sound editor's end:

1. Get client to download the free version, install and run it on the XML so it transcodes all the media into a folder.
2. Get them to zip that folder up, send you it plus the XML.
3. You then regenerate the Reaper project using the XML with your licensed version of Vordio. It will refer to the same media in the folder they sent.

The only time the client would also need to buy a second license is if you want to use the reconform workflow to keep going back and forth regularly between the two of you.

For a one way conversion one license is enough.
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I've added a few updates recently with new features.

Just started making use of shot metadata now. Shows shot and take as hover mouse over item notes. More clever use of metadata coming soon.



Latest update 4.2.3

http://vordio.net/vordio-4-2-3-release/
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A windows version !
I request it back in 2013 haha

Nice to see that there is some news on this side.
I also see there is no Premiere Pro project supports. Great

The reconform functions sounds very nice, definitely.
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A windows version !
I request it back in 2013 haha

Nice to see that there is some news on this side.
I also see there is no Premiere Pro project supports. Great

The reconform functions sounds very nice, definitely.
Vordio needs to run on the video editing machine in order to transcode media to a REAPER compatible format.

The Vordio philosophy is to be more a workflow tool than a typical translator (OMF/AAF can also contain media but XML can't).

The produced REAPER project will run on Windows already.

For which video editing program do you need to work with windows?

At the moment it is only Premiere support that would be relevant to Windows. Is this what you want it for?
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I work with premiere pro and davinci resolve light.

Since 2013, I already found a solution for mixing audio in REAPER from premiere pro project on windows (link in my signature), using source files without conversion. It involves EEL format and AATranslator.

Sure thing, you reconform project and metadatas as item notes are a things I will keep an eye one they can make a big difference.
Your software is pretty nice, be sure I recommand it to my mac-os user friends
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I work with premiere pro and davinci resolve light.
Would you help me test a Windows/Premiere version?
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I now have a working windows development environment set up so not far off.

It seems there is not even that much to do. Mostly works OK already except for a couple of platform quirks to iron out related to file system differences.

Here's a screenshot as proof!

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How could I help ?

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Have you ever considered using EEL rather than FCP xml 7 for premiere pro ? The thing is that FCP xml doesn't support stereo tracks so it is not the best format we can expect for an export from premiere pro.
(unless Vordio is able to remerge this tracks in stereo ?)
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Have you ever considered using EEL rather than FCP xml 7 for premiere pro ? The thing is that FCP xml doesn't support stereo tracks so it is not the best format we can expect for an export from premiere pro.
(unless Vordio is able to remerge this tracks in stereo ?)
Send me some premiere XMLs.

Vordio ignores anything the video editor does that doesn't make sense for the sound editor.

Tracks are irrelevant to vordio. Stereo is stereo. Mono is mono. Quad is quad.

Fcpx doesn't have a concept of tracks either. It's all parent/child style objects. I take the audio config on clips to create reaper items, not tracks.

In premiere it recombines anything split across tracks (what is a convenient layout for the video editor is not the same as for sound editor).

The vordio philosophy is NOT to translate directly (ignores original track layout) but instead to build the most useful project for the sound editor.
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Understood

I will send you files in PM !
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Hi,

Did you see that Nuendo has now a built in ReConform solution ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6PCyWndzJE

It might inspire you,
unless you inspired them haha :P

(note: it uses EDL, which is pretty nice actually).

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Ummm ... on the site I don't see any mention of the cost for a single user lic.?

I have a buddy on a Mac who might like this ... but how much is it?
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1799 euros for a new licence, 299€ for an update.
This is not expensive compare to other reconform solution, BUT URG !!! That's is way out of my league (and most ofther users too) anyway :P

Fortunately, Vordio and REAPER aren't so expensive, and we can do very similar things even with small budgets
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Ummm ... on the site I don't see any mention of the cost for a single user lic.?

I have a buddy on a Mac who might like this ... but how much is it?
Do you mean VORDIO? The upgrade page has prices.

Without a license, it still works but only for short timelines - it only converts first 5 minutes. So you can try before you upgrade.

BTW There is also a windows version coming very soon. I already have demo builds running on windows and linux (see screenshots attached).

http://vordio.net/upgrade/
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We have to thank you for your fair price sir. Really. You already did an amazing job.

I can't wait to see how Vordio will evolve !
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Hi,

Did you see that Nuendo has now a built in ReConform solution ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6PCyWndzJE

It might inspire you,
unless you inspired them haha :P

(note: it uses EDL, which is pretty nice actually).

Cheers !
Interesting..

I suspect Steinberg have done a deal with Virtual Katy. Looks almost identical to their approach which is based around EDL change sets. Virtual Katy say they have Steinberg as a partner, so this is very likely.

It's funny but I only looked at Virtual Katy (and Conformalizer is another) after I had already added reconform to Vordio. I have spoken to some protools users since that have used it and so know about some of the quirks. The history is also quite interesting as Lord of the Rings had a crew member called 'Katy' who used to manually produce EDL change sets for the sound editors.

http://www.virtualkaty.com/about/vk_lord_of_the_rings

The Nuendo video doesn't mention other features in Vordio's reconform such as 'locking' which are massively useful.

Vordio avoids some of the typical reconform mistakes with other tools by embedding information during the first conversion which is later used to double check for mistakes during reconform. Vordio cannot reconform a project that was not converted using Vordio (the accuracy would be much less if I tried to implement that as the checking algorithms would not work at all).

They avoid common issues by introducing a manual correction stage, so you can find these mistakes before applying reconform.

On the other hand, I have noticed a number of downloads by various companies that make other tools. It wouldn't surprise me if some have been reverse engineering Vordio. I can't believe they downloaded Vordio for their personal use as none of them bought a license later on and 5 minute videos aren't enough for most people (the free version only does first 5 mins).

I am planning to support EDLs later though. This is mainly because Media Composer doesn't export XMLs and it is a common NLE. A few local production companies in my town seem to be using EDIUS too and asked about Vordio with EDLs for that reason.

EDLs are not very rich in metadata compared to XMLs. They are also quite quirky (which is why the Nuendo demo shows options for 'cleaning' faulty EDLs which are common).

I am not looking forward to ironing out the quirks in EDLs coming from various different apps though.
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We have to thank you for your fair price sir. Really. You already did an amazing job.

I can't wait to see how Vordio will evolve !
My next features will be enhancing the Premiere support. It works but is not as sophisticated or fully featured as the FCPX support. There is some catching up to do.

The new FCPX XML format has very rich audio metadata, so it is quite easy to build a great project. In FCPX you can tag clips with audio roles, such as dialogue, individual actors, effects, music etc. This is great for building a sensible sound edit.

I really want to find a way of doing something similar with Premiere. I actually have a Premiere license now so can experiment more directly, rather than relying on other people's feedback.

People have suggested catagorising audio using markers, or using colour coding in Premiere.

Once I have improved the Premiere mapping, the next thing is EDLs.
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Thank for the answer, it was very intersting

It is nice to you to stay open minded to other solution, even if you may have inspired them to some degree.
The reconform solution of Vordio is really one thing that will make it stand up.
We still don't know how powerful is the reconform function in Nuendo (can it works with different track routing for eg ?).

EDL support will be great !

Meanwhile, I'm still here for you if you need beta tester or Premiere Pro user.
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Wow!!!!

I have just discovered a sensible way of emulating the concept of 'roles' in Premiere.

Look at these screenshots from Premiere and the XML.

If you colour code audio, it gets turned into a <label2> tag in the XML. I can use this an an organisational principle.

Will be adding this very soon...
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That is perfect
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That is perfect
Ready for download with 'organisation by colour' for Premiere.

The windows version is available for download too now!

http://vordio.net/vordio-4-2-9/

Have fun!
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That was fast

I will test it ASAP !

Thanks again for your hard work
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That was fast

I will test it ASAP !

Thanks again for your hard work
I think I may have accidentally broken something in this windows build. It seems to think media is offline when it definitely isn't.

Am looking at it now. Probably something simple.
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I think I may have accidentally broken something in this windows build. It seems to think media is offline when it definitely isn't.

Am looking at it now. Probably something simple.
Ah!!! Actually it just doesn't like network drives. It is OK with media on local plugged-in drives.
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Ok !

That said, a way to work without the media files (without reconversion etc...) is still highly desired

I may build a script that will look for every Premiere Pro Color name in selected tracks name and replace by user define strings such as "Dialog", "Music" etc...
It may be handy for those who use Vordio a lot. What do you think of that ?
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Ok !

That said, a way to work without the media files (without reconversion etc...) is still highly desired

I may build a script that will look for every Premiere Pro Color name in selected tracks name and replace by user define strings such as "Dialog", "Music" etc...
It may be handy for those who use Vordio a lot. What do you think of that ?
Your request about options to link, copy, transcode etc will be in 4.3. I have been working on that.

Another thing I want to add is support for network drives. Only local drives are supported currently.

A script may help but remember different editors may switch the colours around.

It is frustrating that Premiere let's you change the colour names to 'Dialogue, Music' etc but then still puts the old colour name in the XML, not your names!!! I expected it to use the preferences you set.
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This Vordio 4.3 is very promising

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As all of my scripts, it will be fully customizable :P

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It is frustrating that Premiere let's you change the colour names to 'Dialogue, Music' etc but then still puts the old colour name in the XML, not your names!!! I expected it to use the preferences you set.
Indeed.
Maybe a FR for Adobe ?
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I could test this with the editor I collaborate with on the Tf2 Top 10 series. Well, I know mostly Premiere users in the Youtube world.
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@mrlimbic
Thanks a lot for the screenshot, it is very helpful (don't have Premiere Pro here)

Just a precision:
In this screenshot, all your child tracks are red.
Is there any particular reason for that ?
I could make the track color to be premiere pro label color.

The script is almost finished. Release + demo tomorrow.

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Old 07-01-2015, 04:25 AM   #40
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Thanks a lot for the screenshot, it is very helpful (don't have Premiere Pro here)

Just a precision:
In this screenshot, all your child tracks are red.
Is there any particular reason for that ?
I could make the track color to be premiere pro label color.

The script is almost finished. Release + demo tomorrow.
Colour coding in VORDIO works like this..

1. Tracks are coloured based on the number of channels the items on that track require, not the colours from Premiere. So mono tracks will all be next to each other and the same colour. Colours are cycled 49 degrees of hue each time a new colour is required. The track name also will have a number in front showing number of channels all the items on it need. So stereo track starts with '2:'. VORDIO will not put differently configured items on the same track.

2. Items are coloured based on the media source. If they refer to same media file, they will be same colour. Shots from same take will be same colour, making it easy to spot items that have same sound quality/issues to deal with. This also makes it easy to spot repetition, such as temporary effects copied and pasted by the video editor which will be replaced/improved by sound editor. Colours are cycled by 49 degrees of hue again. Spotting repetition and managing it sensibly is also important for getting the most out of reconform. I really need to make an explainer video about what to do and what not to do for reconform to work most effectively.
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