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05-20-2018, 09:47 AM
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Folder and Buss sanity check
Howdy folks,
I have a folder for drums, with 3 tracks under it. Kick, overhead left and right.
I have routed the overheads tracks to a compression buss, removed from the parent send. The compression buss is then routed to the parent folder.
My thinking is I can keep the compression equivalent for the 2 over heads, distinct from the fx on the kick track. All that gets controlled volume wise and other FX via the folder control.
Is this sane?
thanks
phil
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05-20-2018, 10:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
Howdy folks,
I have a folder for drums, with 3 tracks under it. Kick, overhead left and right.
I have routed the overheads tracks to a compression buss, removed from the parent send. The compression buss is then routed to the parent folder.
My thinking is I can keep the compression equivalent for the 2 over heads, distinct from the fx on the kick track. All that gets controlled volume wise and other FX via the folder control.
Is this sane?
thanks
phil
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Hi phil, I think that should work. But assuming your OH mics are on separate tracks, why not just put the compression in the folder.
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05-20-2018, 06:35 PM
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Thanks! Yes - I suppose that would work, but I also have a kick mic on the folder. I suspect I will have different compression on that track.
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05-20-2018, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
Thanks! Yes - I suppose that would work, but I also have a kick mic on the folder. I suspect I will have different compression on that track.
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I'm sorry, I thought you only had compression on the OHs.
As far as the Kick mic is concerned, just put the compressor on the kick track. Or are you using parallel compression?
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05-21-2018, 03:17 AM
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If I understand correctly, I would try this:
Code:
Drums (folder)
-- Kick (with FX)
-- OHs (folder, with compressor)
-- -- Overheads Left
-- -- Overheads Right
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05-21-2018, 09:57 AM
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Oh - that's an interesting way to do it. I have this so far:
Drums (folder)
-- Kick (with FX)
-- Overheads Left (no parent, send to OHs)
-- Overheads Right (no parent, send to OHs)
-- OHs (compressor w/receives from OH L&R)
...but I wonder if your idea is just a little easier to manage
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05-21-2018, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
Oh - that's an interesting way to do it. I have this so far:
Drums (folder)
-- Kick (with FX)
-- Overheads Left (no parent, send to OHs)
-- Overheads Right (no parent, send to OHs)
-- OHs (compressor w/receives from OH L&R)
...but I wonder if your idea is just a little easier to manage
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You can also just create another bus track within the folder and send the Overheads to that. You would have to uncheck the "Masert/parent" in the two OH tracks. Then you could just put the compressor on the OH bus track, unless you want to use the compressor in parallel.
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05-21-2018, 12:32 PM
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That's the second time I heard "parallel compression" = now I'm going to have google that!
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05-21-2018, 12:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
That's the second time I heard "parallel compression" = now I'm going to have google that!
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Kenny has a video on it.
https://www.reaper.fm/videos.php#uznFOBJzOvs
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05-21-2018, 12:54 PM
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This is a jazz recording, so I'm guessing parallel compression may be overkill...
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05-21-2018, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
This is a jazz recording, so I'm guessing parallel compression may be overkill...
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Maybe, I use it occasionally but not that often.
I don't think I'd say overkill, it can have it's usefulness on most anything. I'm conservative with it because I don't want to create a lot of needless tracks.
Jazz, alright, trio, quartet, quintet? I'm just curious, I recorded a lot of various kinds of jazz back in the 70s and 80s.
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05-21-2018, 01:44 PM
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In the end it will be a quintet - drums, bass, guitar, tenor and trumpet. The first session is just the rhythm section.
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05-21-2018, 11:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pgodfrin
This is a jazz recording, so I'm guessing parallel compression may be overkill...
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If it's jazz, I'd avoid compression completely if possible. But if it's unavoidable, using parallel compression is generally a lot cleaner and more transparent sounding than full compression.
It's not as complex as it sounds, it just means letting some dry (uncompressed) sound mix in with the 'wet' compressed sound. Mix the dry and wet to taste; make sure to audition the entire recording though, since it's easy to let excessive peaks leak into the mix due to the dry (uncompressed) sound that's present.
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05-22-2018, 05:54 AM
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Agreed, my plan is to use compression mostly as a limiter. After checking out Kenny's video and from Recording Revolution I understand the concept. I will certainly experiment with it.
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05-22-2018, 06:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Philbo King
If it's jazz, I'd avoid compression completely if possible. But if it's unavoidable, using parallel compression is generally a lot cleaner and more transparent sounding than full compression.
It's not as complex as it sounds, it just means letting some dry (uncompressed) sound mix in with the 'wet' compressed sound. Mix the dry and wet to taste; make sure to audition the entire recording though, since it's easy to let excessive peaks leak into the mix due to the dry (uncompressed) sound that's present.
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And unless it delays the signal, it's easier to just use the wet knob in Reaper's GUI wrapper for the plugin. Unless special use, multiple tracks to parallel compress a single track/instrument is more work than often required.
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