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01-07-2010, 08:46 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Yfoiler,
WordBuilderMFX.dll and WordBuilderVST.dll are in the WordBuilder folder in my default VSTPlugins folder. But I see I've also copied the 2 dll's to my VSTPlugins root folder after installation (don't ask me why, I struggled to get things working initially as well - installing and uninstalling numerous times!).
Mfxshell.dll is in my VSTPlugins root folder. Symphonic ChoirsVST.dll is also in the VSTPlugins root folder.
I'm running this on Windows 7 64bit. Wordbuilder does not work in Reaper64 though, more likely it's mfxshell that doesn't work in Reaper64, but it's fine in Reaper32.
Other things I should mention is that for some weird reason recorded midi won't trigger Builder/Choirs during playback unless the track is Record Armed. Also you have to render the track online else you'll just get silence. Not perfect but at least it works!
Hope this helps.
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01-07-2010, 09:59 AM
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#42
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Human being with feelings
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PJS,
Thanks VERY much for all this information on your setup there. This gives me something else to try for sure. The really unusual thing about all this is that I am SURE I had WordBuilder running as a VST inside Reaper 64. I never use Reaper 32 anymore for orchestral composition. The only thing that was wrong was that it was on it's own separate track and the Play 64 engine was on another track. I do know the version of WordBuilder running was 32 bit because when it's window was open I had a separate dialog box showing it was running in bridged mode as a 32 bit VST in Reaper 64. Now I'm wondering how the hell I got that far. It makes me wonder if I'm right because I sure can't get back to running it that way now. Last night I did get the LoopBe30 virtual MIDI cables to work and I can run WordBuilder in stand alone and send it's MIDI data to the Play engine on a track in Reaper. I guess that's the way I'll have to work it unless I want to run it in Reaper 32, which I will try using your setup later. Thanks again for explaining your how you are doing it. I will try to duplicate that in Reaper 32. (I guess I could always render a WordBuilder track in Reaper 32 and import it into Reaper 64 when I was satisfied with it---a lengthy work-around though).
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01-08-2010, 08:39 PM
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#43
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Maryland
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Hey, mfxshell worked like a charm in Reaper x64. I was using loopBe1 but wanted to upgrade to LoopBe30 and for some reason is doesn't work on my system, but I found this thread and now Symphonic Choirs works just fine without the LoopBe.
Having native MFX support would be ideal, of course!
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01-14-2010, 03:19 AM
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#44
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2010
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MFXshell, Wordbuilder and x64 issues
Just a small message to let you know the results of my tests.
mfxshell is a 32bits DLL and thus can only load the 32bits version of Wordbuilder (Play edition).
When used in Reaper x64 (bridged mode I guess), Wordbuilder worked ok for 5 minutes and then caused a Reaper Crash.
This is why I vote for a native MFX support in Reaper (which will be both for 32bits and x64 OS).
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01-14-2010, 01:55 PM
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#45
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Human being with feelings
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01-18-2010, 09:50 AM
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#46
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@EvilDragon,
Sure, I've already voted ;-)
Just one issue with MFX is that it is Windows-only, so MAC users won't benefit from this. On the other side, VST-MA is cross platform...
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03-02-2010, 03:12 PM
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#47
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Human being with feelings
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Currently the most important bump for me. +1, make it happen!
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05-28-2010, 02:15 AM
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#48
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Human being with feelings
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Location: Croatia
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One more bump. 53 votes in the tracker, that's no joke!
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06-01-2010, 05:01 AM
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#49
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Human being with feelings
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Location: UK
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we have dxi support so win only is no reason to to add mfx
VST-MA is already supported in reaper i guess? all my midi plugins work just fine in reaper
i voted for this one a while ago but i'm in for the bump
Subz
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07-17-2010, 03:59 AM
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#50
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Human being with feelings
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I have to bump this.
I have no freaking idea why mfxshell doesn't work over here. I have tried on other PCs and it works there. Is it dependant on a certain Windows service, perhaps? I may have it turned off or something...
Can anybody help this poor soul that doesn't want to deal with virtual MIDI cables anymore? ;_;
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07-21-2010, 08:56 AM
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#51
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Human being with feelings
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I am at my friend's place now, we have managed to get his copy of Symphonic Choirs working, and indeed mfxshell works for him as well!
Alas, it is UNSTABLE and Wordbuilder hangs Reaper on random occasions (always at different time, but usually when raising the FX window from Main view).
I have tried running it as a separate process, and in that case it IS stable, BUT... if I want to use one of more important features of Wordbuilder (play from cursor) by pressing F4, this CRASHES Reaper's bridging host! I tried with "Send all keyboard input to FX", no change.
I hope one of the devs is reading this, what is the next step? I would like to make this to work stable for my friend, even though it's not working for me at all. So, can you please help in trying to detect the error/bug, and trying to solve it?
Should I post the error/crash log?
Last edited by EvilDragon; 07-21-2010 at 10:53 AM.
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07-21-2010, 08:15 PM
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#52
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ED... did you get that missing dll and put it into your sys32 folder?
btw... voted of course
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07-22-2010, 01:19 AM
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#53
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Human being with feelings
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WHICH missing DLL? I'm slightly confused now...
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07-22-2010, 01:37 AM
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#54
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evildragon, go looking for procmon (process monitor) on sysinternals on the microsoft site. start it up, try and load the plugin, and see if it's failing anywhere in the procmon log. you can filter it in various ways, and make sure you stop the filter as soon as the failure occurs, it can burn a lot of cpu.
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07-22-2010, 02:35 AM
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#55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Holy shit!
This should get integrated with Reaper!
Thanks Rob, you rock!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rob.manderson
Nah, I classical!!! :-)
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!!!!!! ^^
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07-22-2010, 06:16 AM
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#56
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dub3000
evildragon, go looking for procmon (process monitor) on sysinternals on the microsoft site. start it up, try and load the plugin, and see if it's failing anywhere in the procmon log. you can filter it in various ways, and make sure you stop the filter as soon as the failure occurs, it can burn a lot of cpu.
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I have also posted the error log here.
This procmon thing is way over my head, I dunno where to start filter out! :/
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07-22-2010, 08:04 AM
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#57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
New info - when I try to load WordBuilderMFX into Reaper for the first time after reboot, it says that mfc71.dll is missing or can't be found!
But I HAVE mfxshell.dll in the SAME folder as other WordBuilder stuff, just like you do!!
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that missing dll.... try to put a copy of that in the system32 folder...
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07-22-2010, 09:00 AM
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#58
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That's old. And the DLL was there in the folder, just Reaper couldn't reach it for some reason.
Anyways, that was on my PC back home. I'm at my friend's place now, and I am configuring Symphonic Choirs on HIS PC. But no luck with MFXshell+Wordbuilder combo, it freezes often.
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07-25-2010, 12:29 PM
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#59
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Human being with feelings
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Just got a pile of MFX plugs from a friend who had them.... and have the MFX shell as well...
sadly not all the MFX plugs show up... so I'm +1000 for native support that would let us use all this cool midi stuff...
Please... voted already so can only keep bumpin'
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09-11-2010, 02:23 PM
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#60
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Voted. Just looking at some MFx plugins ,Id sure like to have access .
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09-11-2010, 03:28 PM
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well this has not been bumped in a while so... BUMP
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09-13-2010, 04:27 AM
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#62
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2008
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WB unusable i Reaper for lotsa people here?
Perhaps someone over at soundsonline.com should send the Cockos guys a EWQL (com)posers collection with wordbuilder to play with
/JfX
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09-14-2010, 08:22 PM
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#63
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BUMP_ just voted
Last edited by claudioaudio; 09-15-2010 at 09:56 AM.
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09-14-2010, 08:54 PM
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YOOOO!!! Ive also been having this problem for a long ass time....
has anyone tried right clicking the wordbuilder before loading into reaper and selecting "Run as seperate Process" Cuz it just worked for me without crashing reaper...Now i just gotta figure out how to use the damn thing...Im stumped on how to get started
Last edited by claudioaudio; 09-15-2010 at 09:56 AM.
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09-17-2010, 02:52 PM
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#65
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Human being with feelings
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I've tried that. Using MFXshell and running WB through it as a separate process, got me frozen WB in about 30 seconds. Unworkable.
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09-23-2010, 11:53 AM
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#66
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I´ve just discovered a wordbuilder script to use under kontakt, so if you have kontakt you can use wordbuilder into kontakt in reaper
http://rapidshare.com/files/42080783...cript.rar.html
not the solution, but if you have kontakt you will can use wordbuilder in...
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09-23-2010, 12:39 PM
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#67
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Human being with feelings
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Yeah I know, I did some work on that script! The original thread is here -> http://www.vi-control.net/forum/view...fe6bced00767dc
Still doesn't have some stuff original WB has, like CC envelopes.
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09-23-2010, 12:50 PM
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#68
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Human being with feelings
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Funny , I bumped into that script as well , was planning to tell you ED.
But , that´s not needed so I won't...
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09-23-2010, 12:56 PM
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#69
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
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ah sorry...
I´m not be able to understand your thread (sorry my english is so limitated)
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09-23-2010, 01:10 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Basically, one guy on that forum (JustinM) made the script, and I edited it, added new functions, and will be adding new functions. For example, currently you can only enter 16 syllables. I will bump it up to 256 or more.
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10-14-2010, 05:30 AM
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#71
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Location: South, UK
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bump
I want symphonic choirs fully working really badly
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10-14-2010, 08:54 AM
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#72
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Why All the Fuss?
The Kontakt Wordbuilder plugin eliminates the need for MFX support. The format is becoming dated anyway, and you will be much better off using a jScript plugin instaed.
I attached the script for all of you. Instructions are: 1) Unzip. 2) Place script in Users>[your name here]>Documents>Native Instruments>Kontakt 4>Scripts. Open it up in the Kontakt UI. If you don't know how to do this (or if you don't know IPA by heart), then don't even bother with any of this. Either that or shell out the money you would need to spend on your next kitchen renovation on Voxos or Requiem.
IMO it's not worth it at all to integrate MFX support into Reaper. Time would be better used increasing customization features and such.
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10-14-2010, 08:57 AM
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#73
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VOXOS and Requiem are entirely different ballpark in comparison to EWQLSO. That being said, the aforementioned K4 multiscript has it's own set of flaws in comparison to original Wordbuilder.
Yes, MFX should be in Reaper. And not only because of Wordbuilder. Exactly because the multiscript is not perfect and misses one of the most important features of Wordbuilder - CC envelopes and precise manual positioning of phonems in time. That goes way over the possibilities of Kontakt's scripting language. It's just a stopgap measure.
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10-14-2010, 09:17 AM
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#74
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
VOXOS and Requiem are entirely different ballpark in comparison to EWQLSO. That being said, the aforementioned K4 multiscript has it's own set of flaws in comparison to original Wordbuilder.
Yes, MFX should be in Reaper. And not only because of Wordbuilder. Exactly because the multiscript is not perfect and misses one of the most important features of Wordbuilder - CC envelopes and precise manual positioning of phonems in time. That goes way over the possibilities of Kontakt's scripting language. It's just a stopgap measure.
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IMO adding MFX support is something that only a small amount of users would benefit from. Wordbuilder is the only library I know of to use the format. Also, SC is quite old. Why not take the time to develop something more usable by a larger audience such as automation presets or MIDI or UI tweaks and enhancements?
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10-14-2010, 09:22 AM
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Human being with feelings
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There are other very useful MFX plugins. SC is old, but still sounds awesome. Of course other improvements are welcome, but working composers would appreciate MFX support in Reaper. That's all I'm saying.
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02-16-2011, 04:30 AM
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#76
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Human being with feelings
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Just voted. Would be great to have MFX support.
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09-07-2011, 05:07 PM
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#77
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Human being with feelings
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Any official word on this? It would be nice to use MIDI MFX plugins in REAPER!
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09-07-2011, 05:17 PM
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#78
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Human being with feelings
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No news...
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01-12-2018, 05:25 PM
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#79
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Human being with feelings
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Now that Metaplugin has a native 32/64 bit bridge it is a natural to be able to host MFX (cakewalk) since most MFX are 32 bit. And the modular environment is ideal for mfx. And it is not that expensive and even less so on a -50% sale.
Now how to convince DDMF to add mfx hosting.
https://ddmf.eu/metaplugin-chainer-v...s-aax-wrapper/
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