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What types of answers was the OP expecting?

Moreover, what types of answers does the language of the OP allow?
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Old 09-27-2021, 10:47 AM   #42
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Can't kill a reaper
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I think it'll be some form of gardening accident.
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It will be the Spanish Inquisition! Because:

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Spanish Inquisition and Bizarre Gardening Accident in one thread.

I love it!
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Global thermonuclear war.
I think the military would still use a customized version of Reaper to control radar/sonar and stuff like that or perhaps some reasctipt that can decipher encrypted enemy communication.

On a more serious note, Justin and schwa can’t continue forever developing Reaper. Who knows if someone else will continue at that point and if the outcome will be well received by users.
And if nobody continues, eventually it won’t run on newer OSes and slowly fade away with old computers.
It might also become open source if Justin and schwa decide to retire and also in that case, who knows what people would transform it into..
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I thought he was referring to a muse song
Yes, that's another possibility. Death by Space Rock, and the OP did mention the M1.

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I think the military would still use a customized version of Reaper to control radar/sonar and stuff like that or perhaps some reasctipt that can decipher encrypted enemy communication.

On a more serious note, Justin and schwa can’t continue forever developing Reaper. Who knows if someone else will continue at that point and if the outcome will be well received by users.
And if nobody continues, eventually it won’t run on newer OSes and slowly fade away with old computers.
It might also become open source if Justin and schwa decide to retire and also in that case, who knows what people would transform it into..
Everything dies eventually. Back to the M1 (this time the CPU kind) I wonder if these affordable, powerful RISC processors are going to do for Intel and AMD (or at least their dominance in the domestic market) if they don't jump onboard. A lower cost, lower power consumption higher performance socket format upgradeable RISC processor line is surely needed as an alternative to x86 derivatives, along with direct equivalents. Price wise can this be done competitively in the US?, or is this the beginning of the move to China of the CPU market too?
Silicon valley, Motor City..

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Old 09-27-2021, 11:43 PM   #48
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Reaper like most things will stand the test of time.
One day Reaper will be a chip in a persons brain able to be used with brain waves.

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if Gibson sell off Tascam to someone serious about recording and they bring out a 2488 version 3......
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First, let me say that I'm not a developer. This isn't a thread to solicit advice on how to dominate Cockos in the marketplace. It's just that everything dies so what will kill the killer? What will put reaper into the annals of software history?
The answer is very simple....

We're all Meat Puppets serving as a virtual conduit for an invading alien invasion 7286 years away... Everything you do, your personality, and the choices you make are actually the thoughts & actions of a alien.... That's right, you're a high tech a bi-pedal VR headset equivalent Meat Puppet!(I know, it's mind blowing). Ok, I know a few of you are shocked and asking yourself WTF are you talking about?

Their plan is to harvest us for protein shakes and strip the Earth of all it's natural resources... The total time for Alien Resource Reallocation (or ARR) is 5 Earth years. So... 7,286 + 5 = 7,291.... The last Reaper user will be dead in 7,291 years and Reaper will be dead on that date also - (Duh).
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Depends on the intersection of Apple's pervasiveness versus society trending towards collapse.

Something weird happened about 5 or so years ago, where one trend line that was "average musician's recording capability" leveled out and went *down*; people in general have let well programmed/developed UI make them intellectually lazy about technology. Everybody has access, but few people have the technical acumen to deal with the process of "recording".

Conversely, people who have literally grown up in the Apple ecosphere are exposed to Garage Band, and depending on Apple's market share across generations you either have a cadre of musicians that are capable of using Garage Band, possibly leading to Logic, or it diffuses out into nothing.

So about 3-5 years from now, people will either think of "making music" as a process of using a.i. applets or something that requires Technical Haji-Guru skill in order to actually record a product. If "making music" is popular enough it means small studios can still exist because of that, it could be a boon.

In which case Reaper gains market share as the most mutable/adaptable DAW. Pro Tools have wrecked themselves, the "it's what you have to know to use in Nashville/L.A./NY" spiel has already become something of a stretch, and for the <30 year old demographic What You Grew Up Using wins.

Reaper survives all, provided people continue to make music "manually" using instruments and not a.i. apps that self mix. 50/50 probability in 10 years "being a musician" is as obscure a pursuit as "being a painter", a niche hobby in the harsh glare of past master's greatness.
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Something weird happened about 5 or so years ago, where one trend line that was "average musician's recording capability" leveled out and went *down*; people in general have let well programmed/developed UI make them intellectually lazy about technology. Everybody has access, but few people have the technical acumen to deal with the process of "recording".
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Not just the technology - see Tantacrul's rant about "Midi Chord Packs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50m2Q7wPUFg
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Depends on the intersection of Apple's pervasiveness versus society trending towards collapse.

Something weird happened about 5 or so years ago, where one trend line that was "average musician's recording capability" leveled out and went *down*...
Like people downgrading their computers because their old hard drive died?
I want to say it was around 2012 that every new machine wasn't automatically faster than last year's models. They started selling "netbook" style machines with circa 2001 speed CPUs for facebook browsing. The Apple sales guy gaslights you and says your old machine can't be fixed up. You can only afford a downgraded spec machine vs your old one and off you go. The real Apple died with Steve Jobs.

Or how about all the people falling for the subscription scams these days? A literal analogy to "I've got a bridge to sell you!"

Everyone out there with no saved installers for their OS, raise your hands.
You're just one rogue install away from your system getting shut down on you by some software faux pas! Feels like your system belongs to someone else and you have limited access when that goes down. Careful out there!

Keep on top of your data yourself. Keep important installers! OS installers are very important installers! Basically save everything useful you find as though you fear the webpage where you found it will be pulled down tomorrow. Sometimes they are! Cloud accounts are convenient but don't rely on them for your only backup!
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Or how about all the people falling for the subscription scams these days? A literal analogy to "I've got a bridge to sell you!"
Hear hear.
I am convinced that any subscription model for audio plugins will eventually lead to poor value and monopolies, less control over when the products are available to you too. No one, not even professionals needs that much choice either. It's not VFM if you cannot optimally utilise the service you are paying for. There's not enough hours in the day to know your way around so many plugins.
Most of us have already given ourselves too much choice before buying into subscriptions.
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Old 09-28-2021, 02:01 PM   #55
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Hear hear.
I am convinced that any subscription model for audio plugins will eventually lead to poor value and monopolies, less control over when the products are available to you too.
The subscription model is a death spiral for a company. Just like the takeovers in the 80-90s the $$ attract bean counters that either siphon off the cash and cut quality of the product, sell the company and same thing, or get lazy and the product suffers.

As soon as that happens the whole thing collapses.
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Old 09-28-2021, 02:13 PM   #56
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2012, yes that's about the time they built the quad i7.
I have 4 of them i7/8300 hp sff exactly the same with and they all run beautifully. you can pick these up for 200 bucks with 8 gig ram.

They are even in e-waste nowadays

The same ss hdd imaged ,runs each of them perfectly and as long as they stay off line they are reliable and robust .
If i dare to put one of them on line they become unstable and no longer reliable ....go figure .
Win7 lasts longer than win 10 on line .

so there is no reason why my machines will not work for a long time barring corrosion and other ageing factors but ill be dead then .

All it takes though is some so called better "must have" feature that has been missed for the last few decades to cripple such systems with some kind of dependent and conditional call home routine .
It may not even be an intentional act .

And if im dumb enough to trust in the motives of dominating corporations motives then so be it .

It is the reaper model that works ,its the only one that will positively inspire one to pay for something when there is always a choice .

This forum is a result and a compliment ..well done reaper team and all who support her .

Its like the Wikipedia of DAW's
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If I've learned anything from this thread it's that reaper users have a perverse fascination with science fiction and vintage British humour.
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:54 AM   #58
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Well, my opinion is that Reaper should be much, much more user friendly. That idea that you can do everything in five or seven ways is more harm than usefulness. This is softvare where I spend more time wrestling with the system, than making music. I am not novice, I am trained sound engineer.
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Well, my opinion is that Reaper should be much, much more user friendly. That idea that you can do everything in five or seven ways is more harm than usefulness. This is softvare where I spend more time wrestling with the system, than making music. I am not novice, I am trained sound engineer.
Not trying to sound hostile but why is Reaper still for you then?
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So what you guys are saying is that the digital age is still in its ascendency? Do you think there are any emerging technologies that will revolutionize or replace the DAW as we know it?

On the dark side, what if anything does Cockos or reaper currently do that'll surely contribute to its decline? For example, Blockbuster wouldn't acknowledge Netflix. Is there a perfect storm brewing at Cockos that'll cause implosion? Can reaper ever be annihilated by hackers?

Reaper has to die eventually. What will kill it?

(For the record, I'm 99% happy with reaper and wish for its everlasting success.)
I just got a Slate ML2 in the mail. I already have a slew of microphones and what I consider a decent studio.

The ML2 is small. You could conceive a device that is tiny and battery powered that not only records but also plays back an instrumental track, allowing me to walk around my apartment and find the places where recording is good for what I am looking for.

A small brick on the end of it.

But it has to run some software. And seeing how the REAPER core is so small (talking out of my behind), I think that parts of it can be used to do whatever. I would love a small brick, battery-powered, on my mic. No editing, just recording on a five-dollar LCD display.

But I think there is a huge change coming.

I had two DSLRs. And now I have none. I have two mirrorless system cameras, and I buy more of those. Calling a camera mirrorless is a misnomer. They are cameras that do what you want. In 5 years, nobody in the commercial space will be using mirrors.

Audio engineers have a point that pixel peepers don't. That is why the discussions in one domain do not seem to happen in another to a large degree.

REAPER is the best DAW (for me), and while I am a little in awe of what I can do with it, it seems odd to think that I will need one in 10-20 years.

The same way Linux is basically everywhere, just make the core available. The DAW wars are over, we basically won as consumers/producers/artists. You can do anything, within reason.
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The future of Reaper is ultimately up to the developers.

However I think anything they do that isn't responsive to their user base or the prevailing market can result in an incremental decline. Items I can think of off the top of my head …

Not remaining price competitive
Subscription models
Not keeping up with the market and user base
The prevalence of simpler or cheaper alternatives
Artificial inelegance that makes it less necessary to learn how to use a DAW
Complexity and getting in the way of what the user wants to do
Negative reputation of the product

And then there's all the little nitpicks that often seen as minor but to some users are serious enough to drive them away.
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I've changed my mind, I think it will be a bad date that kills Reaper.
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You can do anything, within reason.
Except run vst3 (had to)

I just want to say that the main reason I started this thread, besides boredom, was so that the development team can see what the community thinks reaper's strategic weaknesses might be. General feature requests are ever-present so I had no need to touch on those.

Reaper is one of the few applications that I run almost daily so I naturally want it to thrive. To be sure, I've had moments where I really wished another DAW could save me. Alas, here I remain; hard to beat lightweight and flexible.
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The subscription model is a death spiral for a company. Just like the takeovers in the 80-90s the $$ attract bean counters that either siphon off the cash and cut quality of the product, sell the company and same thing, or get lazy and the product suffers.

As soon as that happens the whole thing collapses.
I hate the subscription model but is there any evidence at all that e.g. Adobe are in decline? The figures suggest otherwise at least for the last few years... https://www.statista.com/statistics/...de-since-2004/
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I don't think Adobe is in decline because of it's subscription model, I'm sure they lost quite a few users (myself included) -- but I don't think it put a large dent in their bottom line... That said, there are plenty of alternatives if one chooses not to go the subscription route - it's just a matter if different packages meets their requirements, and if they want to spend the time learning how to use it.

I'm not to worried about Reaper going away anytime soon -- And lets say hypothetically it was announced that it's development is at an end, I'd still use it long after development ceased (right until it no longer works because of future OS, hardware, etc). Just because any software might not be further developed doesn't mean it stops working or it's value has dropped.

That said, I think the "throw away society" of today has fundamentally changed the mentality of many who think just because it's older or no longer in production, it's busted & obsolete (imho)... This might be "OK" for the basic consumer (the people who buy new phones every year - go figure) -- However, in our industry - dropping a great product (software or hardware) simply because it's development has ceased is just plain silly in my view.

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Not just the technology - see Tantacrul's rant about "Midi Chord Packs": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50m2Q7wPUFg
Gah. Post-Guitar Hero video game mentality. I know people who call themselves "musicians" that just run apps on their phone that strings pre-made loops together in an order they pick (1 measure at a time).

... and "learning" is watching a Youtube video.

I used to babble about this happening, it's the "ESPN Sportscaster Envy" effect: "everybody could be Michael Jordan". It's no longer about resentment of talent, it's literally everyone believes they're mentally on the same level as everyone else. Intellectual communism.



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Like people downgrading their computers because their old hard drive died?

Hah, no, I was being cynical about the Median I.Q. being able to cope with getting around in a DAW. Most presume an egalitarian-centric approach, regardless of the functional outcome.

The illusion of productivity over reality. This is the the battle Reaper faces: Garage Band utility for the egalitarians, or flexibility that caters to what is needed by what is now considered an otaku-like person. Hiding a process behind an icon, versus actually streamlining the function. People want icons to click more than functions.
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Notepad never died, neither will Reaper
But Reaper++ is gonna be worth waiting for.
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Some day soon the Son of Man will return in fiery clouds at the sound of a loud trumpet blast. He will take His seat on His throne at the right hand of the Mighty One, and judge the Nations.

And that will be it for Reaper.
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Some day soon the Son of Man will return in fiery clouds at the sound of a loud trumpet blast. He will take His seat on His throne at the right hand of the Mighty One, and judge the Nations.

And that will be it for Reaper.
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It's a good time to be old. The heat domes and ghostly revenge from the murdered native children will do us in long before the developers give up on Reaper.

Just trying to fit in to the general malaise of this thread.
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Just trying to fit in to the general malaise of this thread.
My malaise is the size of Malaysia. A similar shape too...
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