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Old 08-02-2010, 08:15 PM   #1
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Default What Are Your TOP 3 Wishes For REAPER 4?

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There will be a lot of new stuff in REAPER 4.0, but it won't be everything on everyone's wish list. REAPER development will continue after 4.0 at a similar pace to how it has continued after 3.0.

As for timing, we'll let you know when we have a better idea. At the moment, REAPER 4 is expected in 2010, but is more than a couple of months away.

Alright folks, you heard it straight from the sock's mouth. If things go as planned, we'll have REAPER 4 sometime in 2010!

To celebrate the announcement, I thought some of us would enjoy a thread to brainstorm, discuss and share our TOP feature requests and wishes for R4.

The feature tracker is great for determining what most people want, but not what people want most. That's what I hope this thread might help do.



Here's my absolute TOP 3 feature requests for REAPER 4:


1) Ableton Live like Global Quantization for looping, live performance and truly rapid song creation/composing. If it's something easily accessible from the main window/transport (optionally) like Ableton, all the better but I'd be able to live with a sample accurate 'DynamicWait' time action that I build into my own custom actions.
VOTE: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2623

2) Integrated and seamless track and item FREEZE, ideally through interaction with the FX button. Also it should work correctly on multi-timbral VSTi's. For example if you have a MIDI item being sent to a VSTi on a different track, REAPER should be able to intelligently freeze the item/track even though the it has no FX of its own. If the devs could find a way to do some slick background rendering/freeze that could be even cooler (pun intended). The performance window would also be a good candidate for integration with freeze.
VOTE: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2673

3) More Media Explorer Love. Full track and item functionality (pan, reverse, playrate, FX, sends and routing etc.). Being able to select, preview and import only a portion of the file, proper preview for MIDI items, WYHIWYG (what you hear is what you get). Also the ability to have more than one instance open at a time side by side could be useful the same way two turntables side by side is.


Ok. Your turn!

(but no cheating, try to keep it to your top 3)
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:01 AM   #2
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  1. GUI enhancements: Metering (See my signature), dual panners and surround panners, GUI completely user configurable (elements such as MCP, Video, etc all dockable and resizable anywhere).
  2. HUI Protocol fixed properly and/or CMLabs Standard mode protocol implemented.
  3. More of the great development currently occurring with takes.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:33 AM   #3
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1. MFX support
2. MIDI tabs
3. Area selection + improved takes system
4. Brice's UI
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:41 AM   #4
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The FR tracker has me pretty much covered. What you've written in this thread has me covered as well. But I do have 3 wishes so I am gonna use them...

1) Routing

Improvements in the routing system (tracks, plugins). Better-easier-clearer UI for setting up the routing (e.g. graphical nodes). More flexibility in so-called feedback routing to allow greater freedom e.g. with multi-out VSTis.

Specific FRs on routing:

a) Tracks retain their routing relationships even if their TCP order is changed

b) More flexibility on track<-->parent sends+receives when it comes to MIDI. Track A can send MIDI to track B, and B can send audio to track A, and this is not considered 'feedback' routing.

c) Warn or notify the user if actions performed (like re-arranging the tracks) would break existing custom routings.


2) Enhancements for composition and song-writing

Anything from chord charts, chord recognition, scales tools, guitar tabs, lyrics. Pattern-based modes, region enhancements, playlist...


3) Bold steps

v4 should be a bold step forward and dare to break some familiarity with previous versions in the sake of correcting past flaws or boosting productivity and work flow.

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Old 08-03-2010, 01:43 AM   #5
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Default GUI / keyboard handling

My main and only wish is GUI/keyboard handling revamp.
Everything else will of course be sugar on top.

Currently there is a lot of problems with windows popping up at
unexpected places, changing sizes, getting hidden, keyboard focus
not being at the right place, windows eating certain keyboard input,
mapped actions needing to be set to "pass through" instead of being
always accessible by default, etc.

Once you start working faster (which is the reason I switched to
Reaper) these issues become more and more frustrating, as user
has to constantly take care of GUI, click here and there to gain
access to a certain function. Of course mouse users that create
lots of toolbars and controller users that map most of the important
stuff to another device don't notice this, but keyboard as a standard
computer interface is still being treated mostly as a text input device,
and this should really be changed. Of course it's better to use dedicated
hardware and controllers, but Reaper is famous for it's mobility and
efficiency, so using it only on a laptop should also be a breeze.

So to make Reaper 4 GUI even more user friendly it should:

Remember a global position and size for each element
the way user has set it (MIDI Editor for example should always open at the
same position, size, set of visible CCs/velocities with the same height, same
width, height and position eg. C3, not C0 of piano roll, etc.)

Introduce the ability to pin any window (always on top)

Detect screen resolution and number of screens
and adjust any invisible windows automatically (when removing another screen
for example) while preserving the previous setting

introduce screen sets for these GUI elements
Something like Logic, or any Adobe software GUI presets

Make keyboard input focus on functionality
and automatically allow text / number input when such a dialog is in
focus (for example the action "send keyboard input to VMK" is totally
useless, as a user needs to open the VMK first, than run the action.
Once activated it always overrides keyboard input when dialogs or
menus appear, which makes no sense.
The action should simply route A-Z to MIDI note messages, while
preserving all other unused buttons intact. Plug-in GUI and chain
should by default let all keyboard input go through and the function
send input to plug-in should only be used for plug-in registration,
and it's keyboard functions (preset search etc.), but in general these
are rare.

Native GUI
Each window has at least 20px of useless height for top bar (close,
minimize buttons etc.), should really be minimized or even removed
completely, just add native buttons for these functions that are small
and non intrusive, also mappable to keyboard. It will also look a lot
better

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Nothing what has not been suggested yet here, just needed to vent
my current frustration with GUI a bit in a hopefully constructive criticism.

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Old 08-03-2010, 02:06 AM   #6
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1. Control Surface love that includes full HUI and a generic mode, and why not a combination of the two (i.e. tweakable HUI)
2. Integrated and seemless Track Freeze
3. a better take system, including support for multi-track takes/items

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Old 08-03-2010, 02:11 AM   #7
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Native GUI
Each window has at least 20px of useless height for top bar (close,
minimize buttons etc.), should really be minimized or even removed
completely, just add native buttons for these functions that are small
and non intrusive, also mappable to keyboard. It will also look a lot
better
Didn't you try: Properties->General->Advanced UI/System tweaks...->disable "Use large (non-tool) window frames for windows?
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:16 AM   #8
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The main important thing for me is : automation items !

... and also, finally, after four years of requests, one of the easiest things to implement : a correct volume automation curve (exponential).
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:17 AM   #9
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1. gui enhancements (something like this: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...&highlight=gui)
2. mouse zone editor
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:22 AM   #10
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The main important thing for me is : automation items !

... and also, finally, after four years of requests, one of the easiest things to implement : a correct volume automation curve (exponential).
How could I have forgotten that?! Automation items are a necessity for easy editing!
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:26 AM   #11
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1. improved cc editing. http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=978
2. improved cc editing. http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=978
3. improved cc editing. http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=978

Otherwise, I'm actually 99.99% satisfied with Reaper as it is.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:05 AM   #12
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1. Midi editor tabs, as Sonar, where if you click in a single background note you don't change from clip.
2. Automation Clips.
3. Save piano roll state [named keys, drums] with the track, not for each clip.

(4. Phantom Clips or Copy by reference midi clips)

Until I don't have those Reaper is useless for me.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:09 AM   #13
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You do have 4., but it's halfways there (you need to save ghost file on the disk to be able to do it, the request here is to have ghosted items in-project).
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:09 AM   #14
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1) Fully automatic hit composing in any style
2) Fully automatic arrangement
3) Fully automatic virtual studio musicians recording for that arrangement
4) Fully automatic mixdown/mastering

And if I may add a 5th:

5) 1 to 4 must be automatic batchjobs to create 1000 hits a night.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:15 AM   #15
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1) Fully automatic hit composing in any style
2) Fully automatic arrangement
3) Fully automatic virtual studio musicians recording for that arrangement
4) Fully automatic mixdown/mastering

And if I may add a 5th:

5) 1 to 4 must be automatic batchjobs to create 1000 hits a night.
Hahaha!

Leave that to Microsoft Songsmith!
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:17 AM   #16
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Only three for me...

Surround sound panner integrated in the Mixer.
Surround sound (Multi channel) Meters for above.
Score display and editor.

That will do nicely.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:26 AM   #17
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More visual feedback for audio and midi
Mo betta midi sequencing
Fewer dialogs
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Hahaha!

Leave that to Microsoft Songsmith!
Meanwhile Songsmith became too expensive!
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:07 AM   #19
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I'm still very new to Reaper but I would say

1) Dual panning
2) EuCon protocol (or at least good MCU and HUI)
3) Easier automation drawing
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3) Easier automation drawing
Press Ctrl and you're in freehand drawing automation mode? :/
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:20 AM   #21
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Not what I would call "easy"
Logic is just so awesome for this.
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:32 AM   #22
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Care to showcase this with a video or something, please?
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:00 AM   #23
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1. When a track in the TCP gets embiggened vertically, that the meter and controls get embiggened also.

2. A "don't suck" button - to be used during my composition sessions.
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:15 AM   #24
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Care to showcase this with a video or something, please?
Ok, well, it's my first time screen recording ever so excuse the big red "Demo Version" logo right in the middle of the video
http://www.towerstudio.net/reaper/logicautomation.mov
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:16 AM   #25
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You could've used the free LICEcap and make it into GIF

http://www.cockos.com/licecap/


Oh, and that time-selection-then-drag-envelope-section thing you did is already a FR:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60470
Vote: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2680

S-curves are not here yet, but if you press Alt while dragging between two envelope points, you can adjust the Bezier tension on the fly
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:23 AM   #26
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No LICEcap on a Mac
Voted for the FR, it's soooooo useful!!!
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:31 AM   #27
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Oh yeah, I forgot it's not for Mac...





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Old 08-03-2010, 05:35 AM   #28
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Haha let's not go there
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Old 08-03-2010, 05:42 AM   #29
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Just kidding
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:21 AM   #30
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1) Do not run unsoloed tracks
I'm so tired about those gaps ang glitches because of this missing feature.
Anytime my CPU's are overloaded by tracks I'm not focused on...what a workflow !

2) ReaDuck, or anything that could ease this task
To use it with ReaXComp and ReaEQ, since achieving ducking in Reaper is not really intuitive, since you have to navigate through sub sub menus...
A clear indicator on the track panel which shows that one track is sent or received...(why not, based on Brice's approach, a global routing inspector ?)

3) arrange option
For songwriters and arrangers, including free midi item positioning [url]http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=62268[url/], maybe this [url]http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=62420[url/], and anything that relates to midi composing and maybe wav sequencing (previewing samples)

(I did not, of course, mentionned item pitch-bend feature, colored regions,freeze options, etc...)
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:26 AM   #31
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Ah, this is an easy one.

1) UI tweaking and especially always-on-top/pin functionality!

2) Mixer tweaking e.g. dual-panners, VCA groups, routing matrix love, better grouping/linking (grouped objects should follow links also when automating and so on)

3) Better media management (backups, cleaner project folder, better mediabay with more info and so on; check out Cubase's way of doing this)

4) Proper Freeze and Ghost Copies (for both MIDI and audio) wouln't hurt

5) Edit groups + Take system love wouldn't hurt either, but I can live with as it is too heh.

6) Fix some weirdness on pan-pot/volume fader scales and allow envelopes to be drawn as user wishes (I mean to allow the user to change the scale for envelope lane or something; I want to be able to draw/edit e.g. +20 dB boosts by hand)
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:43 AM   #32
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I only want big ones

1- Step sequencer and a patern editor (or a index for the pencil tool. Much like the FL Studio.

2- A session like view Ableton Live, or any other rapid composition tool that they can think of.

3- Staff view/input for midi.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:50 AM   #33
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1. Edit Groups
Please for the love of god, we need to be able to edit multi-mic'd sources. Currently it is a huge pain in the ass to try and edit a drum kit or an acoustic guitar mic'd with a stereo pair, or an guitar amp and DI track. Item grouping just doesn't quite cut it unfortunately :/

2. Mouse Zone Editor
I really would love to be able to customize the mouse workflow in a way that feels more natural to me. A full blown mouse zone editor would allow stuff like global snap suspension which is an FR on it's own. Hopefully the editor will also allow you to assign different functions to the top and bottom half of items, so that marquee+time selection could be performed using the left mouse button.

3. Quick Punch Recording
So so so important, I constantly struggle without this. All we need to do for this feature is add a preference to "start recording for record enabled tracks on playback", and then discard those recordings if recording is never initiated during playback. This allows manual punch ins that store all the recorded data before and after the punch, so you can trim and crossfade freely without worrying about having punched in too late or punched out too early.

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4. Stepped Volume Faders
Not the end of the world but man is it ever ugly seeing Reaper step through volumes when dragging a fader, would be so much nicer if we could eliminate that second point behind the decimal altogether. No one needs -3.09db, -3.1db will do just fine, no one on earth can hear the difference between less than one tenth of a decibel...

5. Area Selection
For most things the time selection+marquee handles my needs fine, but this would still be a very serious improvement, especially from a visual standpoint.

6. Real Track Disable Function
Very handy for archiving tracks in a session that you might still need for later use, but want Reaper to ignore entirely and lock so you can't accidentally screw it up.
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:01 AM   #34
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6. Real Track Disable Function
Very handy for archiving tracks in a session that you might still need for later use, but want Reaper to ignore entirely and lock so you can't accidentally screw it up.[/i]
Adam, what's the difference between this and making a macro to minimize, mute, and lock? Seems like the only piece missing is the ability to lock track height, unless you want to process muted tracks.
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Adam, what's the difference between this and making a macro to minimize, mute, and lock? Seems like the only piece missing is the ability to lock track height, unless you want to process muted tracks.
Doesn't lock all of the items or prevent them from being edited. Even locking items separately doesn't prevent most edits.

Just an easy option to "Disable track" is all I want, making a macro to make a hundred alterations to all the tracks settings is just not concrete enough or easily togglable.
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:27 AM   #36
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1: proper ghostable, in-project containers/patterns for AUDIO (.reaparts)
2: Media Pool + Trimmer (for editing Media CUEs, etc)
3: fixing all the rounding issues + Sample Grid
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:33 AM   #37
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1) Brice UI + other suggestions (in other words, make it more prettier and workflowabley)

2) Takes/Looping - Takes/Looping - Takes/Looping (stay in lanes, no renumber, option to make overlap continue from prior take # etc...)

3) Metering, proper pan law handling, mono tracks (that's probably 3 things all by themselves, but since I put them all next to 3) it only counts as one)
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:47 AM   #38
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My Three Are:

1. Snapping Improvements

2. Optional Stepped Faders

3. Mouse Customization

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Old 08-03-2010, 08:24 AM   #39
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The main important thing for me is : automation items !

... and also, finally, after four years of requests, one of the easiest things to implement : a correct volume automation curve (exponential).
3 : and a PIP that works :-))
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Old 08-03-2010, 11:58 AM   #40
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Default First off, THANKS!

Ok, so, I'm a former Mac person and have been using Reaper for the past couple of years on PC (sry Mac. I can't afford you any more). Haven't posted here, so the first thing I should say is THANK YOU for all those who have worked hard, and continue to work hard, to provide a stable, incredibly useful, and solid DAW.

Coming from Digital Performer, there are only 2 things that I really miss.
I do think at least one of these is a common desire from most people, at least from trolling threads for the last couple of years:

1)Audio Editor within Reaper - I know there's Reawave out there, but something that allows destructive/constructive/stretching editing of audio files would put Reaper over the top. I miss being able to drag a wav into a project and then quickly stretch/squish it to where I want it (plus other audio editing fun-times, like quickly applying/previewing effects on a sound file).

2)Being able to enter notes AND velocity in the piano roll at the same time (i.e., you click to enter a note like normal, but can make the rectangle taller or shorter to affect velocity) - I've searched high and low for something like the DP Drum editor that will allow this, and I'm continually surprised no one else has combined these two functions. I used to use the HELL out of it to fine tune complex drum patterns, and really do think lots of folks would find it useful too.

Thanks again. Reaper is friggin' SWEET!
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