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03-18-2011, 11:43 AM
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Human being with feelings
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MIDI merge?
Hey all. Finally got past "Why doesn't this work like Cubase?" phase with lots of keymaps shortcuts, and am now loving Reaper, EXCEPT, that when editing MIDI in Cubase, I could plop one MIDI track on top of another, glue them together, and, voila, all the notes would be merged- is there a simple way to do this in Reaper? when I use the "glue" command, it doesn't merge the items, it just makes the length the same but only uses MIDI notes from whichever item has focus or priority- notes from the item beneath just disappear. This is currently the ONLY remaining hindrance to my workflow coming from Cubase- Please help so I can finally be a real Jedi.
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03-18-2011, 01:02 PM
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It should work to just glue the media items, as you described. One possible variable is the relative length of the items -- by default, if one media item is completely enclosed by the other, the shorter item will mask the longer one. You can work around this by opening the media item properties, and setting the mix behavior for both items to "always play."
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03-18-2011, 03:46 PM
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Reaper is just smarter than me...
sorry. didn't realize that if I just dragged one MIDI item over another they automatically merge- as far as one disappearing, I think I am just seeing the result of the item mix behavior. Another example of just being more used to the less efficient process in another piece of software. Thanks for the speedy reply. Nice to know folks are here to help- especially the Jedi Masters- ;-)
thanks Schwa
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04-05-2014, 02:42 PM
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Human being with feelings
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I can't get this to work so that both midi items merge together and are editable from the piano roll.....glue doesn't have any effect.
How can I merge them properly?
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04-17-2014, 03:10 PM
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I want to bump this..
So here's what happens, and this is easily reproducable...
Create a new project...Insert two tracks. Insert a MIDI item to each track.
On track 1, put a MIDI note on beats 1 and 2.
On track 2, put a MIDI note on beats 3 and 4.
Drag track 1 on top of track 2.
With the "merged" item selected, beats 1 and 2 will show up normal, but beats 3 and 4 will show up really grayed out (hard to see).
With the "merged" item not selected, you see all of the notes clearly.
Now...Double-click the "merged" item to edit it. In either Piano Roll or Event List, the only elements that show up are the ones from track 1 (beats 1 and 2). You can make the other items visible by selecting "Contents" "track 2 - 2 Media Items" and selecting the OTHER item in the selection. This has the undesirable effect of making the previous items invisible.
Neither rendering to new item, or glueing items will "fix" this. The items stay as separate entries in the track.
I think this is undesirable behavior. If drag/drop on top of each other doesn't perform the actual merge, I would most definitely expect that "glue items" would.
I consider this a bug. Thoughts?
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04-17-2014, 03:20 PM
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When i tried what you described, glue merged the items perfectly if the items are the same lenght, if they are not, the mixing behaviour comes into play, but it still merges fine for me if "items always mix" is the chosen mixing behaviour...they wont actually merge until you select them both and glue though.
did you select both of them and not just the one in front before gluing? Use right click + drag to select them both if you didnt already try that, clicking normally will just select the one on top.
Do you by any chance have the notes on different midi-channels?
Last edited by j79; 04-17-2014 at 03:28 PM.
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04-17-2014, 03:55 PM
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Ahhh...Unintuitive behavior....
Same length, same MIDI channel...Because you can't really see what's behind the top layer, the uninformed would click the "item" and expect both to be selected. There's nothing that indicates only the "top" layer is selected (because there's no representation of layers). I wonder if maybe creating "lanes" would be better than hiding? Surely something can be done to make this more intuitive.
But...If you do indeed right-click/drag around the item, it will merge as expected.
So maybe not a "bug" really...But definitely not very user friendly.
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04-17-2014, 04:14 PM
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I agree, maybe it could be more clear...although haven't even got as far as seeing what should it really be like.
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edit: Two posts below Chris has a neat custom action for the MIDI merge.
Last edited by xpander; 04-17-2014 at 05:37 PM.
Reason: better solution
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04-17-2014, 04:44 PM
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I agree, its something that you kinda have to know as its not very obvious.
You could right-click the track and "enable track free item positioning"...that will allow items of the same length placed at the same time to have a visual representation of whats in front/selected if positioned right.
Not a pretty/workflow-friendly solution, but it will get the job done...
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04-17-2014, 05:18 PM
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And here's a custom action I created quite a while back and still use to this day? After you select your MIDI items, run this:
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04-17-2014, 05:36 PM
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Nice one, way simpler than mine and works better. Scratch mine, this is the one to use, thanks Chris.
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04-17-2014, 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by effitall
Ahhh...Unintuitive behavior....
Same length, same MIDI channel...Because you can't really see what's behind the top layer, the uninformed would click the "item" and expect both to be selected. There's nothing that indicates only the "top" layer is selected (because there's no representation of layers). I wonder if maybe creating "lanes" would be better than hiding? Surely something can be done to make this more intuitive.
But...If you do indeed right-click/drag around the item, it will merge as expected.
So maybe not a "bug" really...But definitely not very user friendly.
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There is an option/action to "View items in lanes" which displays parallel items if the track height allows it.
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11-10-2016, 08:15 AM
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When you record MIDI as takes, then you can select "Play all takes" from item properties. Voila.
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01-31-2017, 09:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chriscomfort
And here's a custom action I created quite a while back and still use to this day? After you select your MIDI items, run this:
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That was beautiful. BUMP!
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01-31-2017, 03:46 PM
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well here is a thought for you
work through this and then adapt it as you want
make three tracks
1=midi item whatever
2=the other midi item
3= set this trk to free item positioning
drag copies of 1 and 2 midi items to trk 3
select both items on trk 3 and hit Glue
you should get all the midi data from both copies in one midi item
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02-01-2017, 01:52 AM
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As as the most simple way to move Midi, would it not be appropriate to just use a parent track to hold the two midi tracks ?
(Not gluing the data but keeping the original tracks as editable source and do the merging when playing back.)
- Michael (not having done much midi editing work, yet)
Last edited by mschnell; 02-01-2017 at 11:39 AM.
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07-06-2017, 07:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chriscomfort
And here's a custom action I created quite a while back and still use to this day? After you select your MIDI items, run this:
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Top... thanks...
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04-04-2018, 12:53 PM
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@chriscomfort Thanks for this useful action. Saved.
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05-08-2018, 10:00 PM
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Another way to merge
Hi,
read this thread while looking to merge two piano parts, low and high as I dont have the skills to play both at same time!
The way I do it, is to set a marker at the point in one of the tracks where I want to copy/merge FROM. Then I just "select all COPY"
then i go to that marker in the other track and just PASTE.
As long as you get the marker and insert point right you then have the second file with both sets of midi data contained. With important stuff I duplicate tracks first in case I really screw it up or want to go back later.
This solution is kinda too easy to think of really!
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10-15-2018, 07:43 AM
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Custom Action works perfectly
Great solution chriscomfort! Thanks!
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