v5.65pre13 - November 14 2017

[musicbynumbers]

+ Ripple: fix "ripple-all affects tempo envlope" option, independent of "envelope points move with media items" option [t=197771]
+ Tempo envelope: improve behavior when tempo envelope contains markers with "allow partial measure before this marker" enabled [p=1912250]
+ Windows: fix configuration import with non-latin characters [p=1912540]
+ Windows: fix various issues with non-latin characters in installation path
# Ruler: allow up to 3 lanes for tempo envelope

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

# Ruler: allow up to 3 lanes for tempo envelope

Really appreciate this but the spacing is pretty problematic. The picture below is the default lane spacing. Changing it to maximum doesn't help either.



Would be really great if there was a way to be able to manually adjust the size of each lane. Otherwise even though now I can have tempo changes and meter changes each in their own lane (which is brilliant, thanks for that) it still looks cluttered. All the lane items are literally right on top of one another.

[tusitala]

Here's two examples of how it should be in my opinion:







...clear and uncluttered

[FnA]

I like the different shaped tempo or time signature marker head concept. Looks better I think than Klangfarben's post but I usually use bigger font and non-default theme so I wonder how that will work out.

Moving or cutting partial time sig moves following points:



0:00 Move
0:05 Undo
0:09 Cut

I notice in last pre or 2 that when cutting a point, another one will be automatically selected? Here, it's the next one.

Bug/Nitpick? Is the 2x length region not supposed to be in the second lane under the 1/2 size ones? I snapped the edges around and still the same. Not too worried about it personally.



I put a gif in the stash of the results of changing the partial time sig "set time signature" box in post [p=1912250] using this pre (13). Seems like things go back to grid? If that has any value...
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/32194/disa...20pre%2013.gif

[Reno.thestraws]

I think that time signature and tempo markers should be diplayed only on master tcp track and not in the ruler anymore.

[Victor_M]

O, yeah! Thank you, devs, for repairing "ripple edit all affects tempo map" option! )))

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by tusitala

...clear and uncluttered

Would love to see something like this as well. Very clear, clean and delineated. Resizable and the option to show/hide/add lanes.

[Liutasil]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

Would love to see something like this as well. Very clear, clean and delineated. Resizable and the option to show/hide/add lanes.

+1 for this

[jaydrake]

I know this has been mentioned before, but I would love it if we could hide markers and regions(just like tracks, have a region/marker manager). Or at least have the option to hide the lines that extend from the markers into the TCP.

[G-Sun]

Thanks for a better view of tempo/time-sig!

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

Tempo needs to be left-aligned here

[Shibboleth]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

Would love to see something like this as well. Very clear, clean and delineated. Resizable and the option to show/hide/add lanes.

+1 I agree

[EvilDragon]

Originally Posted by G-Sun

Tempo needs to be left-aligned here

Nah it's fine like that, goes well under the timesig designation.

[Klangfarben]

Both the time signature and tempo should be left aligned so they line up with the bar numbers.

[EvilDragon]

That cannot happen with the marker square there in the way.

[Klangfarben]

Can someone explain the merit of the marker square/circle? Slightly confused as to its purpose.

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

Can someone explain the merit of the marker square/circle? Slightly confused as to its purpose.

It gives you something to grab or click.

[Vagalume]

Originally Posted by tusitala

Here's two examples of how it should be in my opinion:



...clear and uncluttered

That one is simply perfect

[srdmusic]

I'm getting a lot of freezing and crashing lately and I'm not sure where to start. I've updated to the latest pre release version but it's been happening with the last 5-7 updates.

Here's is a crash dump while Reaper froze for 5mins and then came back. I'm not sure if it's my auto save that's getting locked up or if it's something else. Perhaps it's something to do with seeking and or moving the playhead around the session. Could it be something in the new ruler updates?

Any help would be appreciated.

LINK: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx1c51ypjy...85%29.DMP?dl=0

Specs:

Windows 10 1703 x64
Reaper 64 Bit 5.65 pre13
48 Core Intel Xeon 128Gb ram
14TB raided SSDs for Samples
500GB SSD for System

[G-Sun]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Nah it's fine like that, goes well under the timesig designation.

Here you'll see the need for left-align better:
https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...57&postcount=4

[EvilDragon]

That issue has absolutely nothing with left-aligning the text.

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by schwa

It gives you something to grab or click.

Perhaps the squares and circles could only become visible when moused over? That way every thing could be properly aligned - tempo, meter and bars. Would also be visually cleaner, especially in projects with many tempo and meter changes.

[EvilDragon]

No, that would be terrible and jittery when moving mouse over there.

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

No, that would be terrible and jittery when moving mouse over there.

I see your point but right now my ruler area looks like a shrapnel bomb got set off. There has to be a better way to do this.

[EvilDragon]

Either use a smaller font or increase the lane height for tempo data in the ruler?

[Robert Johnson III]

[shift.gif - Google Drive]
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/106N...ew?usp=sharing)

If it is possible… When using gradual tempo changes the tempo markers still lose connection to the grid...

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Robert Johnson III

When using gradual tempo changes the tempo markers still lose connection to the grid

What edit are you doing in that gif, exactly?

[Robert Johnson III]

Moving region 3 03 in front of region 7 03.

[lowellben]

Originally Posted by Vagalume

That one is simply perfect

Indeed it is. I dream of clean uncluttered separate lanes. It's essential for large MIDI projects. Not everyone lives in the audio domain.

[FnA]

Originally Posted by Robert Johnson III

Moving region 3 03 in front of region 7 03.

These region move bugs are unpredictable. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Sometimes it works 4 times in a row, but the 5th gets screwed. I actually got bad behavior the first time I tried to approximate Robert's gif. Then I tried an alternate move scheme and it worked ok. Here's a subsequent effort using pre 15.



edit. I should point out that the tempo at start in the copy is different, and also the other points land off of their original grid positions.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by Klangfarben

Really appreciate this but the spacing is pretty problematic. The picture below is the default lane spacing. Changing it to maximum doesn't help either.



Would be really great if there was a way to be able to manually adjust the size of each lane. Otherwise even though now I can have tempo changes and meter changes each in their own lane (which is brilliant, thanks for that) it still looks cluttered. All the lane items are literally right on top of one another.

I'm having the same problem here. I'm testing Pre-Release 16. Looks like there is some improvements visually.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by Vagalume

That one is simply perfect

+1 Logic and Cubase have this down quite well with separate tracks for markers, meter and tempo.

It's usable in Reaper but certainly not as easy to see or work with as in other DAWs. The ability to resize each individual track of meter, tempo and markers would solve the problem.

[srdmusic]

Originally Posted by lowellben

Indeed it is. I dream of clean uncluttered separate lanes. It's essential for large MIDI projects. Not everyone lives in the audio domain.

Well said. In the film world we are placing a ton of markers, tempo and meter chances. It would be nice to be able to adjust the size of each tempo, marker and meter lane.

[srdmusic]

While we are on the subject. It would really be a dread to be able to see and edit separate rulers at the same time. I would really like to be able to see standards SMPTE timecode and Bars/ Beats at the same time.

[Klangfarben]

Originally Posted by srdmusic

While we are on the subject. It would really be a dread to be able to see and edit separate rulers at the same time. I would really like to be able to see standards SMPTE timecode and Bars/ Beats at the same time.

+1000