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09-05-2019, 09:16 AM
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v5.983+dev0905 - September 5 2019
v5.983+dev0905 - September 5 2019
+ Batch converter: log files will warn if FX were not loaded
+ FX chain: add preference to display FX list on right side of chain window
+ Mouse modifiers: add double-click behaviors to reset CC value, curvature, edit properties
+ macOS: windows without defined main menu inherit the main menu from their owners
# FX chain: improve list scrollbar behavior
# MIDI editor: optimize CC interpolation on playback
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09-05-2019, 09:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
v5.983+dev0905 - September 5 2019
+ Batch converter: log files will warn if FX were not loaded
+ FX chain: add preference to display FX list on right side of chain window
+ Mouse modifiers: add double-click behaviors to reset CC value, curvature, edit properties
+ macOS: windows without defined main menu inherit the main menu from their owners
# FX chain: improve list scrollbar behavior
# MIDI editor: optimize CC interpolation on playback
Full changelog / Latest pre-releases
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Found bugs in the program. Working with melodyne. When you line up all the vocals on the notes, and then finish working with the program. When you enable reaper again. Melodyne resets notes ( without saving them).
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09-05-2019, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
+ Mouse modifiers: add double-click behaviors to reset CC value, curvature, edit properties
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Can you make the CC reset modifier to reset CC7 and CC11 to value 127 instead of 0? It makes a lot more sense this way.
(Also, thanks for fixing the arpeggiate mouse modifier when Shift+Alt are used, and also behavior of adjusting the segment curvature now matches how automation envelopes work - thanks!)
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09-05-2019, 10:13 AM
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Minor
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+ FX chain: add preference to display FX list on right side of chain window
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When showing list on right side the ListView seems to be a tad too wide as I don't see the controls right side border on Win10.
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09-05-2019, 10:49 AM
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Bold
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Originally Posted by Edgemeal
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There is a request I've been making for a long time about showing in 'Bold to highlight' a few words from the Preferences menu. I believe it would be visually better.
See these words in the link below.
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=219342
Thanks!
Last edited by Edison; 09-05-2019 at 11:44 AM.
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09-05-2019, 01:06 PM
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Minor
And setting list container to smallest width cuts off button on right...
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09-05-2019, 01:56 PM
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This new midi CC curve support is awesome as hell.
However a lot of hardware synths (especially older ones) won't keep up with this much midi CC information.
And even some software struggles with it.
For example i just drew in a sine like CC for a Wah pedal in Amplitube, and it produces a lot of artefacts.
The way Cableguys solved this in their Midishaper plugin, is that they included a resolution dropdown for update rate: https://prnt.sc/p2de6z So you could experiment with the best setting for your receiving device. I remember it saved my ass when i used HW synths.
A simple js plugin could do the trick i think - Quantize CC.
(I have tried midiCCstepper with no luck)
I did not follow the latest prerelase discussions so excuse me if this already been touched on.
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09-05-2019, 02:28 PM
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You already have a parameter for playback interpolation of CC curves, in Preferences->Editing Behavior->MIDI Editor.
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09-05-2019, 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
You already have a parameter for playback interpolation of CC curves, in Preferences->Editing Behavior->MIDI Editor.
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Thanks.
Meanwhile i have found that the bug is somewhere else, i have yet to find out the source.
BUT
One thing i have noticed, and i dont know if this is an expected behaviour:
Create a simple non square CC curve.
Stretch the midi clip like 8 times it's size
If you now glue the item, or record it's output, you get a hugely quantized curve.
Here is a screenshot:
The faint line is what it's supposed to look like at the default 8ppq interpolation, the stepped curve is what you get if you stretch the clip
http://prntscr.com/p2ebdw
So it basically stretches the resolution too when you stretch a midi item
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09-05-2019, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgemeal
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OHHHHHH this is AWESOME! Thankyou!!!
Now what about getting those folder tracks to group to the right like they're able to be grouped to the left? In the MCP...
Last edited by Chris7t6; 09-05-2019 at 11:27 PM.
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09-05-2019, 10:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
+ Mouse modifiers: add double-click behaviors to reset CC value, curvature, edit properties
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Thank you for these - truly awesome UX enhancements! It's a pleasure to program Pitch now which used to be a cumbersome experience.
After making some music using the build I think CC value should always reset to the middle, no matter the CC.
Since CCs can be linked to different kinds of parameters that would probably be the most optimal blanket approach.
But again it's great as is. Thanks!
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09-05-2019, 11:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neutronic
After making some music using the build I think CC value should always reset to the middle, no matter the CC.
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Absolutely NOT!
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09-06-2019, 12:06 AM
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I'm glad fx chain on the right made some people happy (no idea why we needed that) but how about "add" and "remove" being up top where they won't constantly move around after clicking them?
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09-06-2019, 12:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foxAsteria
I'm glad fx chain on the right made some people happy (no idea why we needed that) but how about "add" and "remove" being up top where they won't constantly move around after clicking them?
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Agreed on that. Here's a mockup:
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09-06-2019, 12:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
When showing list on right side the ListView seems to be a tad too wide as I don't see the controls right side border on Win10.
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Confirmed, the right border of the list area is cut off. Please fix
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09-06-2019, 12:46 AM
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Thanks for posting the mockup ED. On a related note, the fx browser has the same issue (but for different reasons).
Window stuff should almost always be centrally located whenever possible, instead of spread across the entire monitor.
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09-06-2019, 02:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foxAsteria
I'm glad fx chain on the right made some people happy (no idea why we needed that) but how about "add" and "remove" being up top where they won't constantly move around after clicking them?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Agreed on that. Here's a mockup:
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Mac only has the contextual menu available, no fixed top menu.
And I wish to keep it like that, feels clean, fx on the very top, add/remove and info bar below.
On PC, what does the Edit and Options include, is it different from mac?
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09-06-2019, 03:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhelixK
Mac only has the contextual menu available, no fixed top menu.
And I wish to keep it like that, feels clean, fx on the very top, add/remove and info bar below.
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We're talking about adding an option, not changing it to a different fixed layout.
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09-06-2019, 04:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
We're talking about adding an option, not changing it to a different fixed layout.
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EvilDragon
Please take a look at my suggestion above about 'Bold', it seems like a silly thing, but...
Thanks!
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09-06-2019, 04:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
We're talking about adding an option, not changing it to a different fixed layout.
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I understand some people will prefer add/remove/info on top, and I agree it would be fine to have as an option.
Excuse my ignorance, I was just wondering, what does the Fx, Edit and Options top-menu contain when compared to mac contextual (probably same I guess), and isn't it fixed on pc?
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09-06-2019, 05:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhelixK
On PC, what does the Edit and Options include, is it different from mac?
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On the mac -- check the menu bar at the top of the screen when the FX chain has focus?
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09-06-2019, 05:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
On the mac -- check the menu bar at the top of the screen when the FX chain has focus?
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oh that one! Same-same, but different, thanks!
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09-06-2019, 06:03 AM
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Annoyance
While in the fx chain window could you have a look at this annoyance..
When you remove an FX from the list using the remove button the spacebar key no longer works to play/stop, I have to set focus on a control in the fx window (or something else) for the spacebar key to work again
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09-06-2019, 06:51 AM
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I've noticed that just when adjusting parameters of some plugins. I think it depends on the framework used for the particular plugin. It would be nice if that kind of thing didn't happen.
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09-06-2019, 07:19 AM
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Hi Devs! Thank you very much for returning the CC envelopes to the MIDI Editor.
I'm use some of Julian Sader's MIDI editing tools like his 'Draw Linear Ramp' script. This currently works with the square shape only.
There are some API functions that would need to be updated to allow Julian to make the scripts compatible with the new envelope shapes.
I'd greatly appreciate the help with this as it seems to be the only missing piece to making those scripts work well with the new features.
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09-06-2019, 12:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Agreed on that. Here's a mockup:
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Here related if we speak about ergonomy:
Look at the path from search box to first found entry. Imagine taller window.
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09-06-2019, 01:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
Here related if we speak about ergonomy:
Look at the path from search box to first found entry. Imagine taller window.
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I generally feel that the filter box should be placed above the listboxes and maybe it should be even slightly bolder. I often forget that I have set some filter and it takes me some time to notice it because the filter box is too far from my focus.
EDIT: (Yes, I've got 4K monitor and the window is stretched a lot.)
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09-06-2019, 01:46 PM
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Yes the filter in FX browser should be on top indeed. Like it is in Actions list!
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09-06-2019, 02:07 PM
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Yea, using the filter on "all plugins" sucks when you have a ton of favorites folders like I do.
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09-14-2019, 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesPeters
I've noticed that just when adjusting parameters of some plugins. I think it depends on the framework used for the particular plugin. It would be nice if that kind of thing didn't happen.
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But what I'm talking about is inconsistent behavior in the fx chain window. Select an FX in the fx chain and press the "Delete" key, notice how the next FX gets focused after the fx is removed and so the keyboard still works. But if you use the "Remove" button then after the fx is removed nothing has focus and so keyboard no longer works unless you set focus on the list (or something) manually. Guess I have to train myself to not use the "Remove" button. :/
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09-28-2019, 02:28 PM
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+ FX chain: add preference to display FX list on right side of chain window
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When list on right side and plugins windows are different size it will be hard to focus list.
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09-28-2019, 08:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
When list on right side and plugins windows are different size it will be hard to focus list.
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I agree, in this case the window reference point should be located in the upper right corner.
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09-29-2019, 07:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
When list on right side and plugins windows are different size it will be hard to focus list.
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I still don't understand why anyone would want it on the right side in the first place but you do already have the option to not automatically resize the fx chain. It's in prefs/plug-ins. You can also use the arrow keys instead of mouse.
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09-29-2019, 11:28 AM
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As tracklist can be moved to the right now, somone asked to invert fxchain also, so now you understand why. You don't have to teach me Reaper here , it is prerelease forum and I only show what is going on with added new feature .
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09-29-2019, 12:48 PM
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I guess I see the problem now. If it's on the right then the window should expand to the left and not the right. That does make sense, I just couldn't see any possible solution before.
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09-29-2019, 03:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foxAsteria
I guess I see the problem now. If it's on the right then the window should expand to the left and not the right. That does make sense, I just couldn't see any possible solution before.
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exacly
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10-01-2019, 03:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Agreed on that. Here's a mockup:
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THAT makes more sense.
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10-01-2019, 03:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gunny
I generally feel that the filter box should be placed above the listboxes and maybe it should be even slightly bolder. I often forget that I have set some filter and it takes me some time to notice it because the filter box is too far from my focus.
EDIT: (Yes, I've got 4K monitor and the window is stretched a lot.)
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That makes a lot of sense too.
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02-07-2020, 11:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
Here related if we speak about ergonomy:
Look at the path from search box to first found entry. Imagine taller window.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Yes the filter in FX browser should be on top indeed. Like it is in Actions list!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strachupl
When list on right side and plugins windows are different size it will be hard to focus list.
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+1
Sorry for bumping this old thread, but I think these suggestions are all still valid.
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02-09-2020, 12:13 AM
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Did this got stick up by mistake? Or the devs are getting back to update/fixing problems in the FX-Browser? Cos if it is the latter I have tons of suggestions..
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