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03-04-2021, 05:43 AM
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Thanks to the testers!
A big shout out to all those who take the time to test new features, report bugs and make suggestions for improvements. Some of you guys, I don't know how you find time to actually make music!
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03-04-2021, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by IXix
A big shout out to all those who take the time to test new features, report bugs and make suggestions for improvements. Some of you guys, I don't know how you find time to actually make music!
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I agree with you, many people working for a better REAPER every day!!
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03-04-2021, 08:43 AM
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Hear hear!
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03-04-2021, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IXix
A big shout out to all those who take the time to test new features, report bugs and make suggestions for improvements. Some of you guys, I don't know how you find time to actually make music!
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Make music? Who!?
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03-06-2021, 06:32 AM
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I agree, a thanks must be spoken to all involved.
BUT at the same time we need to conciously keep in mind this is only made possible by the Devs... you think I m talking about the acctual development of Reaper? Naahhh!!! What I mean is the infrastructure which surrounds the development... This makes the close interaction with the develoment team possible in the first place.
Then a big part on the testers and bug reporters side of this "discord/conversation" is also the feeling of being heard or at least shortly looked at by the Devs. (instead of being ignorred like with many other companies)
This is a huge thing for the participants, because this aknowledgement of the Devs is like a "cookie" for the testers! This lowers the threshold of acctually reporting a bug, because you feel respected and that your voice counts same as others! To compare to Bitwig: The Devs left the Forum due to too much complaints about false promises... So you never make a bugreport there, because you know, they will never read it....
This close interaction motivates and also makes you feel like being acctually part of the development itself. Therefore it´s very rewarding and intresting for Users, Scripters and "dev-intrested-but-non-coding-users" who can contribute an idea or a bug report.
The Devs created a highly optimised "dialog" between us and them to maximize the positive outcome for all involved. Therefore encouraging all interested in participation.. HIGHLY optimised system (probably as optimized and organized as the Devs themselves)
[And now please, can somebody grab my ankles and pull me out... I went too far in... ;-)]
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03-06-2021, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by operator
I agree, a thanks must be spoken to all involved.
BUT at the same time we need to conciously keep in mind this is only made possible by the Devs... you think I m talking about the acctual development of Reaper? Naahhh!!! What I mean is the infrastructure which surrounds the development... This makes the close interaction with the develoment team possible in the first place.
Then a big part on the testers and bug reporters side of this "discord/conversation" is also the feeling of being heard or at least shortly looked at by the Devs. (instead of being ignorred like with many other companies)
This is a huge thing for the participants, because this aknowledgement of the Devs is like a "cookie" for the testers! This lowers the threshold of acctually reporting a bug, because you feel respected and that your voice counts same as others! To compare to Bitwig: The Devs left the Forum due to too much complaints about false promises... So you never make a bugreport there, because you know, they will never read it....
This close interaction motivates and also makes you feel like being acctually part of the development itself. Therefore it´s very rewarding and intresting for Users, Scripters and "dev-intrested-but-non-coding-users" who can contribute an idea or a bug report.
The Devs created a highly optimised "dialog" between us and them to maximize the positive outcome for all involved. Therefore encouraging all interested in participation.. HIGHLY optimised system (probably as optimized and organized as the Devs themselves)
[And now please, can somebody grab my ankles and pull me out... I went too far in... ;-)]
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Operator, congratulations on the text. Really the Devs, whenever they can, kindly assist us, I say this because I am a mere translator involved with REAPER for 6 years. That is why I say that 'Together we're more!!' and REAPER = the sum of a little of each one!
Excuse me for poor English
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03-06-2021, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by operator
The Devs created a highly optimised "dialog" between us and them to maximize the positive outcome for all involved. Therefore encouraging all interested in participation.. HIGHLY optimised system (probably as optimized and organized as the Devs themselves)
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i don't agree. It's far from optimized for the user side ... but it's our option to dive in or not. Anyway i think it's Far from efficient. Manny minutes / hours * manny users spending time for no reason - no road map, no plans, feed back is quite minimal, so manny of the time is spend for nothing. Again it's my option to dive in or not. Is addictive to participate and pushed by the hopes that for us as music production lovers, want to have access to the tools we want or hope to be able to use in a certain way. Is tricky and addictive. In the end i am doing less music ever. This is my thought from which i need to learn.
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03-06-2021, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by operator
The Devs created a highly optimised "dialog" between us and them to maximize the positive outcome for all involved. Therefore encouraging all interested in participation.. HIGHLY optimised system (probably as optimized and organized as the Devs themselves)
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Where's the LIKE button? I can't find it.
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03-06-2021, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by deeb
i don't agree. It's far from optimized for the user side ... but it's our option to dive in or not. Anyway i think it's Far from efficient. Manny minutes / hours * manny users spending time for no reason - no road map, no plans, feed back is quite minimal, so manny of the time is spend for nothing. Again it's my option to dive in or not. Is addictive to participate and pushed by the hopes that for us as music production lovers, want to have access to the tools we want or hope to be able to use in a certain way. Is tricky and addictive. In the end i am doing less music ever. This is my thought from which i need to learn.
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I agree with the Operator
I saw an article by Kenny Gioia a time ago, when he was a Pro Tools user. When suggesting and requesting some modification, sometimes 1 year of waiting, and in this waiting time he ended up creating his own solutions and this is not seen here, thanks to the Devs' patience and dedication towards everyone and attending to them whenever possible!!
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03-06-2021, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Edison
I agree with the Operator
I saw an article by Kenny Gioia a time ago, when he was a Pro Tools user. When suggesting and requesting some modification, sometimes 1 year of waiting, and in this waiting time he ended up creating his own solutions and this is not seen here, thanks to the Devs' patience and dedication towards everyone and attending to them whenever possible!!
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I am not saying i am not grateful what so ever. I am saying is not highly efficient.
Anyway in terms of users requests: i don't think Reaper is super special here. They do whatever they decide to do like any other DAW.
In terms of development a feature, yea reaper is super special because has and needs for their model lot of feedback from users while others have testers and UX designers.
Again i am not qualifing has good or bad , i just don't agree it is super efficient has operator said.
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03-06-2021, 09:26 AM
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If there was a perfect method for developing software, everyone would do it 😃
Whether or not the REAPER development process works or seems ideal from any individual user's point of view depends on their particular needs and personal preferences.
The users who do find it rewarding to test features and give feedback are absolutely invaluable to us. We work the way we do because we enjoy it, but we wouldn't be able to do so without your participation, so thank you all!
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03-06-2021, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by deeb
I am not saying i am not grateful what so ever. I am saying is not highly efficient.
Anyway in terms of users requests: i don't think Reaper is super special here. They do whatever they decide to do like any other DAW.
In terms of development a feature, yea reaper is super special because has and needs for their model lot of feedback from users while others have testers and UX designers.
Again i am not qualifing has good or bad , i just don't agree it is super efficient has operator said.
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In my country we have a saying like this:
What would Blue be if everyone liked Yellow!
But we can live with these subtle differences of opinion, it is the beauty of mutual coexistence.
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03-06-2021, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by schwa
If there was a perfect method for developing software, everyone would do it
Whether or not the REAPER development process works or seems ideal from any individual user's point of view depends on their particular needs and personal preferences.
The users who do find it rewarding to test features and give feedback are absolutely invaluable to us. We work the way we do because we enjoy it, but we wouldn't be able to do so without your participation, so thank you all!
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Schwa, wise as always!!
Thanks a lot!
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03-06-2021, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by schwa
Whether or not the REAPER development process works or seems ideal from any individual user's point of view depends on their particular needs and personal preferences.
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When preaching the good word about Reaper, I usually mention the dev team being just a few people - and that they are easy to reach as a big plus. The turnaround from a bug report to a bug fix is very quick.
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03-06-2021, 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
If there was a perfect method for developing software, everyone would do it 😃
Whether or not the REAPER development process works or seems ideal from any individual user's point of view depends on their particular needs and personal preferences.
The users who do find it rewarding to test features and give feedback are absolutely invaluable to us. We work the way we do because we enjoy it, but we wouldn't be able to do so without your participation, so thank you all!
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Definitely it's a non stop process, not easy (just 2 people?!) without a doubt you guys are the best for keeping Reaper up all this time.
We love Reaper and we want to have the best roadmap ,that's why i believe everyone who tests new features or gives suggestions finds it rewarding. And i'm feeling that now Reaper is becoming more and more mature.
So thanks for that and keep up the great work!
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03-06-2021, 10:57 AM
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yes REAPER testing is a rewarding thing that has improved skills i didn't even know i needed,
but the important question is this:
how come the schwa's smiley symbol is italicized in Vagelis's post, but not in Edison's?
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03-06-2021, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mccrabney
yes REAPER testing is a rewarding thing that has improved skills i didn't even know i needed,
but the important question is this:
how come the schwa's smiley symbol is italicized in Vagelis's post, but not in Edison's?
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Really?...kkkkk I don't know!!
I feel like we are a family!!
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03-06-2021, 11:30 AM
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--- deleted, not important, not the focus of this thread, sry ---
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Originally Posted by schwa
If there was a perfect method for developing software, everyone would do it 😃
Whether or not the REAPER development process works or seems ideal from any individual user's point of view depends on their particular needs and personal preferences.
The users who do find it rewarding to test features and give feedback are absolutely invaluable to us. We work the way we do because we enjoy it, but we wouldn't be able to do so without your participation, so thank you all!
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Awwww <3
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03-06-2021, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by operator
I am a Tester (work a lot with the Dev+Build despite the danger) and I am also a studied UI/UX Designer. And the usability compared to other DAWs isn´t worse (after customizing!). In my opinion it is quite the opposite. (cough cough *best* cough)
I could never go back to another (bloated) DAW because of the much better UX I have with Reaper. This shizzle is just on another level... I can work so frikkin fast with this thing.
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This is REAPER!
Operator, thank you for providing us with this unique moment!
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03-06-2021, 11:50 AM
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but the important question is this:
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Guys if you ever come to Greece i'd love to meet with any of you, cheers!!
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03-06-2021, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagelis
Guys if you ever come to Greece i'd love to meet with any of you, cheers!!
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When would the next flight or ship be?
Guys..Have you noticed the phrase that accompanies our avatars?
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03-06-2021, 02:09 PM
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Guys if you ever come to Greece i'd love to meet with any of you, cheers!!
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Same same! i am in thailand for now! you all welcome too!
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03-06-2021, 03:08 PM
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Same same! i am in thailand for now! you all welcome too!
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But you're not from Thailand, right?
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03-06-2021, 03:22 PM
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The very direct connection between the user and the devs is incredible... I noticed something not good two days ago (or was it yesterday ?), I report it in the update thread, and it's solved in todays update.
Thank you Reaper for existing.
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03-06-2021, 09:47 PM
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But you're not from Thailand, right?
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nope! i have been here and allowed to stay longer because of the C Situation.
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03-07-2021, 01:48 AM
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nope! i have been here and allowed to stay longer because of the C Situation.
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Are you from some neighbour country?
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03-07-2021, 06:54 AM
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^^ nah ! i am just tourist in this regions !
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03-07-2021, 07:45 AM
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^^ nah ! i am just tourist in this regions !
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So what region are you from?
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03-07-2021, 07:56 AM
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i am from Lisbon / Portugal
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03-07-2021, 07:59 AM
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i am from Lisbon / Portugal
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Very nice! Is it warm there? What is a better place to test dev builds?
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03-07-2021, 08:11 AM
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Very nice! Is it warm there? What is a better place to test dev builds?
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in general comparing with Thailand is cold , comparing with Scandinavia is worm :P
better place to test stuff is cold weather , we tend to be more at home :P better place to be is here tho
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Very nice! Is it warm there? What is a better place to test dev builds?
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I'm from Brazil! (meu avatar já diz isso) I live in São Paulo
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03-07-2021, 11:54 PM
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I'm from Brazil! (meu avatar já diz isso) I live in São Paulo
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Do you say it is a good place to test builds?
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03-08-2021, 08:35 AM
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Do you say it is a good place to test builds?
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I think it's difficult to answer your question, although we have some groups dedicated to REAPER, I participate in one as Administrator with more than 30,000 members, but they are normal users, eager to learn how to use REAPER. My envolvement with REAPER is to understand it better and give Brazilians a translation closer to the ideal! Sometimes in this search for better understanding we are taken to unimaginable places in history. It is the case of the word 'Dither', that took me to the 2nd war, very interesting why this word is used and know where the Dither acts (LSB), when to use it etc. Recently here, some translators and not also, debating about 'Razor Edit'. For some cases I don't interpret the literal meaning of the word, but the action performed. Razor: A precise cut, keen, well defined...that's why I adopted 'Edição aguçada'.
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03-08-2021, 08:43 AM
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that's why I adopted 'Edição aguçada'.
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só vocês! abração!
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03-08-2021, 09:54 AM
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só vocês! abração!
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Abração deeb!
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03-12-2021, 06:17 AM
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I don't know how you find time to actually make music!
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