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Old 10-30-2013, 10:17 AM   #81
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"Having said that, how many people would throw away good hard fought for gtr technique? - you can always use it to taste."

usually easier said than done. technique is a double edged sword. if you can always fall back on technique then the temptation is to do so.

we all know the clichéd call of "their earlier music was better". how can that be? surely instrumentally Paul McCartney must be a FAR better musician now than when he was in the Beatles 40 years ago. surely Metsllica must be Far better now than they were in the 80s. the consensus says otherwise.
What do experienced musicians SAY about their own careers? Plenty of older musicians have been interviewed in mags and rags about how they have grown, changed, learned.

From my experience, most of these musicians say something like this - "I figured out that being musical was much better than being popular."
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Old 10-30-2013, 10:26 AM   #82
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I agree, Id rather listen to someone like Paul Kossof [Free] or Robby Krieger [Doors] or JBM! than someone just shredding for the sake of it.
My pov could be summed with one example, the Deep Purple Machine Head album, better with or without the technical gtr and keyb solos?
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Old 10-30-2013, 10:53 AM   #83
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My pov could be summed with one example, the Deep Purple Machine Head album, better with or without the technical gtr and keyb solos?
What else can be said. It's Deep Purple. Some of those guys back then were simply monsters at their craft shred or not, just like early Jethro Tull was aka their 1970 Isle of Wight show was simply incredible.

I do remember a documentary where Ritchie told Ian Paice right after he joined.... paraphrased...

"Your cool, I like you but on stage I will be doing everything I possibly can to outplay you and show you up".

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Old 10-30-2013, 11:08 AM   #84
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It seems the friction in Deep Purple was partly fuelled by the propensity for Gillan making last minute changes to the setlist, esp as their song catalogue expanded. I've got a video of Ritchie botching the solo to Highway Star after such a last minute change and he hurls a drink in disgust etc Is said he can sustain a mood, good or bad, for quite a while.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:27 AM   #85
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I think you'll find that symphonies are composed with paper and pen. and a brain. composition is done by a composer not a pianist
Diddly doodly dah dah, diddly diddly dee.


Yup, the guy's right!
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:32 AM   #86
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You cheated! -you typed that! [can't fool me]
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:47 PM   #87
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"What do experienced musicians SAY about their own careers? Plenty of older musicians have been interviewed in mags and rags about how they have grown, changed, learned.

From my experience, most of these musicians say something like this - "I figured out that being musical was much better than being popular." "

nothing to do with popularity. I doubt even Paul McCartney would say that his new album is better than the Beatles. Do Metallica really believe they are better now than their early stuff? Someone mentioned Robbie Krieger, is he gonna make a record NOW that's better than what he did in The Doors? do the Deep Purple albums get progressively "better" over time?

What would the musician say? "Buy my new record". that's what theyd say.
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Bob Dylan writes his songs with a typewriter.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:17 PM   #89
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It could be said Country music is mainly about three chords BUT look how the Eagles expanded country genre and before them bands like Creedence, talented AND trained, eg Fortunate Son intro with the three chord intro but played as sliding harmonized 6ths, and is great! and the Creedence use of 6ths such as in Lookin Out My Back Door is memorable -the gtr solo to Take It Easy is great! - talent + training, its important!!
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Old 10-31-2013, 01:32 AM   #90
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I have no use for this product whatsoever and I think the marketing is silly. But making music has brought me immeasurable joy over the last three decades and I'll be damned if I'm going to begrudge someone else that same joy just because they're making their music on tools that are easier to use than the ones I started out with.

Also, I'm not a pretengineer, I'm a fauxducer.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:14 AM   #91
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I used to dream of being a fauxducer but I'm happy to be a lowly quasician .
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:58 AM   #92
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Does it matter if the lights of the track meters drop below the very top of the red zone occasionally?
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:25 AM   #93
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trained? you can train a dog or a monkey.

talent? no amount of work or effort will make someone more talented.

guitar is easy.......

cello is hard. saxophone is hard. guitar players are ten a penny. but its incredibly hard to find a decent drummer and impossible to find a good car mechanic
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:40 AM   #94
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trained? you can train a dog or a monkey.

talent? no amount of work or effort will make someone more talented.

guitar is easy.......

cello is hard. saxophone is hard. guitar players are ten a penny.
That isn't because of ease, it's because being a guitar player was "the thing" to be for at least three decades. If all a fellow needed to do is learn cello to constantly get laid, there would be cello players EVERYWHERE. It's the same reason there isn't a waiting list for euphonium lessons.

I know a euphonium player, he agrees.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:05 AM   #95
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Anything that inspires creativity is a good thing. I like boxes over computers for hands on tweaking.

The only problem with these things is assuming that you're now great when you have them. Wrong. Everyone has the same access to the tools, you need to step up your game to stand out.

There was a time when people thought I was skilled because I could take any loop and match it's tempo to another loop using an Akai S950 and the tuning controls. That's no longer a skill. It's automatic.

Editing tape used to be a skill. Now it's copy and paste.

Step up!!

Tools don't make you great.
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It's the same reason there isn't a waiting list for euphonium lessons. I know a euphonium player, he agrees.
Are you saying that "Euph" is wasted on the young?..
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trained? you can train a dog or a monkey.

talent? no amount of work or effort will make someone more talented.

guitar is easily abused
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:44 AM   #98
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Anything that inspires creativity is a good thing.
True. This is all just another version of "get off my lawn"...or... "the world sucks now".

So the hell what, some kids grab a beat maker and make beats and has some fun doing it. There are still millions of kids attending music lessons - daily -, playing in school bands and learning music in school, taking private lessons, getting full scholarships to college playing music.

Even some of those kids taking music lessons like diddling with beat making software... and many of them are fine musicians indeed.

So the developer of this beat maker created something that someone might enjoy using. So what? Look in the mirror and ask yourself... "What have I created that might be of value to others?", instead of ripping on the creations of others.

I suspect the answer will more typically be ... "nothing".

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ah, the old romantic fallacy of playing guitar gets you laid.

its my experience that the girls tend to flock around the singer cos they like his voice. whereas the guitar player will tend to be surrounded by overly serious muso type men asking him what kind of strings he uses.

go and see a famous guitarist and count how many women are there.
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no amount of work or effort will make someone more talented.
Is Louis CK talented?
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go and see a famous guitarist and count how many women are there.
No need to because I'm not repeating what I heard; step one is actually having gigs.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:20 AM   #102
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Lol. Getting laid is more a function of looks.

You could just be the guy hitting the cowbell on every downbeat and if the chicks think you're a stud, you'll get laid. You could be shredding the guitar like Jimi but if you look like Dick Cheney you won't have lines of groupies wanting to blow you.

The only real exception to that is money and fame, the great equalizer.

Welcome to reality.
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Lol. Getting laid is more a function of looks.
Normally, I would agree but it just aint so with musicians (the gtr specific thing was just playing around). However, here is this whole god complex thing that goes on...

"You guys were fantastic, I don't know how to thank you, I have my vagina with me, will that do?"

Pretty amazing actually and I've seen (and been) the ugliest dudes on the face of the planet reap that benefit on a regular basis. I have to say that it is much more prominent when it's an original band and not your home town because it adds to the mystery with the god complex thing I mentioned. Oh, the stories...
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Well... yeah... there are always relative skanks that will lay anyone on stage and there are always women who just like being attached to anyone who has any degree of fame, even a small bar band.

I have played in a few bar bands in my day. I've seen some of it. I've never seen chicks chasing the really fat bass player guy. Women are just like us, there has to be some kind of attraction... or some other potential benefit.

Of course, once you start diving up lines of cocaine after the show, all bets are off.

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trained? you can train a dog or a monkey.
To push buttons maybe. Ive not commented against this prog, just that people who have some training generally impress me more, that's why I bothered with the training, ymmv and obviously does, no prob.
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True and like I said the complex/star struck thing. I've seen plenty of non-stanks suddenly go stars in the eyes. Watched, (well not actually watched, I waited in the other room with the roadies and other band members) a friend of mine do a very famous bass player out of the blue. She was a very nice respectful girl, except for that 1 hour after the Winger show.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:45 AM   #107
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The strangest thing I ever saw was a rap concert video where a girl - who actually looked like a minor to me? - came up on stage, zipped the rapper guy's zipper open, and blew him... while he was rapping. Then she turned around and took the applause of the crowd.

If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it.

I suppose it's an achievement of sorts to say you blew someone famous, dunno.

Anyway, this is way off topic. Sorry.
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OK, I want to be a rapper.
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Shhhhhh... what happens on the road, stays on the road.
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ah, the old romantic fallacy of playing guitar gets you laid.

its my experience that the girls tend to flock around the singer cos they like his voice. whereas the guitar player will tend to be surrounded by overly serious muso type men asking him what kind of strings he uses.

go and see a famous guitarist and count how many women are there.
May we have a link to your musical talent, please.

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Are you saying that "Euph" is wasted on the young?..
In case this one gets lost in the thread - I just wanted to note it was utterly, wonderfully bad and I appreciate it with all my heart.
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My wife, oldest Daughter and I went to see Danny Elfman perform music from his Tim Burton films, at the Nokia Theater last night.

It was awesome to see him do the Jack Skellington, "Nightmare Before Christmas" vocals, live with the Hollywood Orchestra and Page Choir. At 60, he has still definitely, "got it"!

Really fun!

I mention this because, whilst in line to go in, we started talking to the two girls in fron of us, and one of them plays the Euphonium and is going to college, with teaching music in mind, as a career.

Strange coincidence.
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At 60, he has still definitely, "got it"!

Really fun!

I mention this because...
Well I'm glad you continued after the ellipsis and cleared it up for me because based on the latest groupie discussion you know where my mind was headed.
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Well I'm glad you continued after the ellipsis and cleared it up for me because based on the latest groupie discussion you know where my mind was headed.
LOL...
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Shhhhhh... what happens on the road, stays on the road.
Except for syphillis, which tends to move faster, and in more directions, than the tour bus.
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"May we have a link to your musical talent, please.

Signed,

Old, Long-Haired, Hippy."



I haven't claimed to have any...........

neither have I tried to tell anyone what they should be doing, quite the opposite.

signed

not quite as old punk rocker...
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That isn't because of ease, it's because being a guitar player was "the thing" to be for at least three decades. If all a fellow needed to do is learn cello to constantly get laid, there would be cello players EVERYWHERE. It's the same reason there isn't a waiting list for euphonium lessons.

I know a euphonium player, he agrees.
I was a state champion caliber euphonium player in my youth. I used to honk it out with tuba choirs quite a bit. I loved that thing. It's the horn you want when your french horn players are a bunch of pansies.

I also got more 'tang than any young man ever deserved, but I never thought it had to do with the horn. I may have to pick it up again just to test the theory.
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Are you saying that "Euph" is wasted on the young?..
Holy cow, that is on the next t-shirt I print up for my kid's band booster fund raiser.
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I love reading posts like this:


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trained? you can train a dog or a monkey.

talent? no amount of work or effort will make someone more talented.

guitar is easy.......

cello is hard. saxophone is hard. guitar players are ten a penny. but its incredibly hard to find a decent drummer and impossible to find a good car mechanic

Absolute f*n nonsense, but we clearly dearly love it!!!!

Excuse me, gotta dash for I have pigeons to feed now
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I was a state champion caliber euphonium player in my youth. I used to honk it out with tuba choirs quite a bit. I loved that thing. It's the horn you want when your french horn players are a bunch of pansies.

I also got more 'tang than any young man ever deserved, but I never thought it had to do with the horn. I may have to pick it up again just to test the theory.
LOL, I knew when I (stereo)typed it, there would suddenly be 100 Euphonium players here.
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