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09-23-2017, 07:31 AM
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v5.60pre4 - September 23 2017
v5.60pre4 - September 23 2017
+ Envelopes: when envelope bypassed outside of automation items, chase previous automation item value on seek [p=1888928]
+ Peaks: add option to rectify peaks/waveforms
+ ReaTune: obey horizontal zoom center preference when zooming via mousewheel
+ ReaTune: support horizontal-wheel scroll
+ Region manager: properly import regions defined in absolute frames [t=196333]
+ Routing matrix: support horizontal-wheel scroll
# Envelopes: add actions to enable/disable envelopes outside of automation items on selected tracks, all visible envelopes, or all envelopes in the project
# Envelopes: when activating envelope in automation-item-only mode, automatically add an automation item at cursor position
# Peaks: add action to toggle sqrt-scale peaks
Full changelog - Latest pre-releases
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09-23-2017, 07:38 AM
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Thanks for horizontal wheel additions! Horiz wheel works nice in region matrix now! (It was inverted, but that was because I had it set that way in Logitech Options software, so I reverted that to default and all is fine now - just had to use the reverse scrolling variants for arrange/MIDI editor then. All good!)
I have a question, though. Why do you think that vertical wheel default action should be HORIZONTAL ZOOM in ReaTune? Doesn't it make more sense that it scrolls the view vertically instead?
Ctrl+Alt+vertical wheel is pretty unintuitive to scroll up/down. Why not do it how browsers do? Vert wheel for scrolling, ctrl+wheel for zoom?
Last edited by EvilDragon; 09-23-2017 at 07:46 AM.
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09-23-2017, 07:42 AM
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Action "Envelope: Enable/disable envelope outside of automation items" seems to be permanently greyed out when assigned in a custom menu?
EDIT: Looks like it ungreys when any envelope is shown. Why? We don't need to see envelopes to change this option in Preferences...
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09-23-2017, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Action "Envelope: Enable/disable envelope outside of automation items" seems to be permanently greyed out when assigned in a custom menu?
EDIT: Looks like it ungreys when any envelope is shown. Why? We don't need to see envelopes to change this option in Preferences...
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That action applies to the currently selected envelope only. There are other actions to apply it to all visible envelopes, all envelopes for a given track, or all envelopes in the project.
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09-23-2017, 07:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
I have a question, though. Why do you think that vertical wheel default action should be HORIZONTAL ZOOM in ReaTune? Doesn't it make more sense that it scrolls the view vertically instead?
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Because that’s what it does in the arrange view
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09-23-2017, 07:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
That action applies to the currently selected envelope only. There are other actions to apply it to all visible envelopes, all envelopes for a given track, or all envelopes in the project.
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Gotcha, thanks! So that action is what's in the envelope context menu by default. Understood!
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Because that’s what it does in the arrange view
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Ugh. Gotta change those quite unintuitive defaults at some point, eh?
This is why I suggested ReaTune wheel assignments to follow those of arrange. If it's tricky, I understand... but it's not impossible, right?
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09-23-2017, 08:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Gotcha, thanks! So that action is what's in the envelope context menu by default. Understood!
Ugh. Gotta change those quite unintuitive defaults at some point, eh?
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Never! mousewheel zoom forever! mousewheel scroll is terrible.
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This is why I suggested ReaTune wheel assignments to follow those of arrange. If it's tricky, I understand... but it's not impossible, right?
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Maybe, just a lot of cases where the mousewheel would be mapped to things that have no equivalent in reatune...
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09-23-2017, 08:22 AM
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Thanks for these updates, for sure very useful for my workflow.
The only things left I suggested from previous thread are
1) removing MediaItems/AI by right drag with suppressing context menus
2) "bypassing envelope outside of automation items" works persistent (for newly added tracks, FX) and per project (so I can save default project template with this setting)
well, I can run in background something like
Code:
if ProjectStateChangeCount changed, perform Envelope: Enable/disable envelope outside of automation items for all track envelopes in the project (it currently hasn`t toggle state so - only via ACT 1 1 chunking)
but too workaround
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09-23-2017, 08:25 AM
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I love you sunsabitches. Thanks for continuing to make this already amazing product, even better.
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09-23-2017, 08:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mpl
2) "bypassing envelope outside of automation items" works persistent (for newly added tracks, FX) and per project (so I can save default project template with this setting)
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There is a global preference for the default for new envelopes, but not a per-project setting.
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09-23-2017, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Never! mousewheel zoom forever! mousewheel scroll is terrible.
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I bet majority of Reaper userbase disagrees with you. Maybe a poll?
I know I scroll more often than zoom, so having those actions available straight away without needing my other hand on keyboard modifiers makes my workflow MUCH faster (ESPECIALLY having BOTH wheels working perfectly now!!!). I'm sure many others are exactly the same...
I can now scroll in both directions with one hand, and zoom in both directions by just holding Alt. Shame I can't do the same in ReaTune
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Originally Posted by Justin
Maybe, just a lot of cases where the mousewheel would be mapped to things that have no equivalent in reatune...
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Of course! So the check would need to look out for what V/H wheels are mapped to, and only if they are mapped to zoom and/or scroll CC/mousewheel actions would they be used in ReaTune, as well (otherwise use defaults)? Sounds like a reasonable addition to me in order to maintain some order of consistency between different Reaper areas that can have the same way of interaction (in this case mousewheel scroll/zoom).
Last edited by EvilDragon; 09-23-2017 at 08:37 AM.
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09-23-2017, 08:30 AM
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REAPER is not a democracy! Get off my lawn!
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09-23-2017, 08:34 AM
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Ehehe. With the amount of options it has, it almost seems like that. Hehe
Anyways, everything I suggest is in best intention, I don't want to come across as ungrateful or something. Hope that's understood!
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09-23-2017, 08:45 AM
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Getting double AIs in Write mode.
Last edited by Edgemeal; 09-26-2017 at 06:57 PM.
Reason: FIXED - IMAGE REMOVED
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09-23-2017, 08:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
There is a global preference for the default for new envelopes, but not a per-project setting.
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Global is ok for me. I wrote that because it seems I missed how to turn it on globally:
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09-23-2017, 09:58 AM
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My previous DAW didn't use mouse wheel zoom, and initially I fought it. Now I absolutely love it and consider it essential. I zoom lots more than I scroll. Put my vote soundly in the "mouse wheel zoom" side.
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
I bet majority of Reaper userbase disagrees with you. Maybe a poll?
I know I scroll more often than zoom, so having those actions available straight away without needing my other hand on keyboard modifiers makes my workflow MUCH faster (ESPECIALLY having BOTH wheels working perfectly now!!!). I'm sure many others are exactly the same...
I can now scroll in both directions with one hand, and zoom in both directions by just holding Alt. Shame I can't do the same in ReaTune
Of course! So the check would need to look out for what V/H wheels are mapped to, and only if they are mapped to zoom and/or scroll CC/mousewheel actions would they be used in ReaTune, as well (otherwise use defaults)? Sounds like a reasonable addition to me in order to maintain some order of consistency between different Reaper areas that can have the same way of interaction (in this case mousewheel scroll/zoom).
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09-23-2017, 10:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
Getting double AIs in Write mode.
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Ah, that's two new options not playing well together. Fixing, thanks.
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09-23-2017, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mpl
Global is ok for me. I wrote that because it seems I missed how to turn it on globally
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09-23-2017, 10:40 AM
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I agree 100% mousewheel for zooming by default.
edit: However, it seems in many programs that are not so customizable as REAPER, they do ALT+mouse wheel for zooming.
but please. also hand scrolling up and down and horizontally with middle mouse button dragging. That should be default too... thoughts? Or at least if Arrange mouse modifier default == Hand Scroll, then Reatune middle drag to hand scroll too...
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09-23-2017, 10:41 AM
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Thanks schwa!
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09-23-2017, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
+ Routing matrix: support horizontal-wheel scroll
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what about (like in track manager) mirror track selection option? Also, autoscroll to that track in routing matrix if I change track selection in TCP. And maybe option to hide tracks in routing matrix that are hidden in TCP.
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09-23-2017, 10:53 AM
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Thank you for horizontal scrolling in the routing matrix! Much easier to navigate now!
Can we get it in the mixer as well pretty pretty please? Ideally more granularity as well. Jumping 10 tracks at a time is pretty disorienting. Would be great for scrolling to work the same in the mixer as it does in all the other windows.
I think Reaper is the only program i've used that has mousewheel as default for zoom. While I don't disagree that it may be better, it is not what the vast majority of people would expect and everyone I know that i've introduced to Reaper is immediately annoyed about that. And lets not forget about all the laptop and trackpad users. Surely there are enough of them to have their experience be considered when deciding on the default behavior?
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09-23-2017, 11:02 AM
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+ hand scroll being useful in both directions by middle mouse drag in the routing matrix. would be nice too
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09-23-2017, 11:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heda
what about (like in track manager) mirror track selection option? Also, autoscroll to that track in routing matrix if I change track selection in TCP. And maybe option to hide tracks in routing matrix that are hidden in TCP.
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Those are some GREAT suggestions to improve routing matrix workflow!
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09-23-2017, 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Those are some GREAT suggestions to improve routing matrix workflow!
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Yeah, totally agree.
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09-23-2017, 11:55 AM
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Hi !
"enable/disable envelopes outside of automation items" seems to work differently depending on whether VST envelope or volume/pan envelope, etc.
I like both behaviours. Is it possible to add an action to choose between both behaviours (for VST and volume/pan) ?
If "add actions to enable/disable envelopes outside of automation items on selected tracks, all visible envelopes, or all envelopes in the project" is actived, when we add a new envelope, we have to activate this action again if we want to use this option. Expected behaviour ?
I think it would be better if the AI which is automaticly created when we add an automation envelope could be more longer (1 mesure). Maybe an option to set the lenght ?
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09-23-2017, 12:01 PM
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How do you mean "differently"? They work the same over here.
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09-23-2017, 12:17 PM
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Outside the AI, the volume or the pan remain the same.
With Pianoteq, we have this (great) behaviour :
With this behaviour, the first AI item on the time line is connected to the underliyng envelope (invisible) on the right and left side ! That's great.
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09-23-2017, 12:24 PM
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I think it would be better if the AI which is automaticly created when we add an automation envelope could be more longer (1 mesure). Maybe an option to set the lenght ?
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I personally even don`t want AI adding automatically to empty envelope (yes, I know, without at least one AI envelope goes non-deterministic in this case, I always can draw AI if I need).
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09-23-2017, 12:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mpl
I personally even don`t want AI adding automatically to empty envelope (yes, I know, without at least one AI envelope goes non-deterministic in this case, I always can draw AI if I need).
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This makes sens. Maybe an option ?
Last edited by ovnis; 09-23-2017 at 01:14 PM.
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09-23-2017, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
+ Routing matrix: support horizontal-wheel scroll
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How do I activate/set this up? Horz Wheel does nothing for me in Routing Matrix.
(Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic mouse, which also seems to read a single horizintal scroll click (it's a button, not a wheel) as 3+ clicks.)
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09-23-2017, 02:08 PM
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+ Peaks: add option to rectify peaks/waveforms
Awesome! I'll give it a go!
where's the rectify option? Not in prefs here?
I'll check around..
EDIT: Ah, it's in actions only at the moment it seems.
Tried it out. Works great when track heights are small but messes with my head when tracks are zoomed in full screen or even less. Just not what I'm use to
Wonder if it's worth having it as a threshold setting whereby on small track heights it's rectified and anything above the defined pixel height is back to normal?
Too much work maybe for such a little thing?
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09-23-2017, 02:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ovnis
Outside the AI, the volume or the pan remain the same.
With Pianoteq, we have this (great) behaviour :
With this behaviour, the first AI item on the time line is connected to the underliyng envelope (invisible) on the right and left side ! That's great.
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I think that it is great too.
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09-23-2017, 03:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
# Envelopes: when activating envelope in automation-item-only mode, automatically add an automation item at cursor position
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Why is this necessary? It almost feels like a bug, to be honest.
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09-23-2017, 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
v5.60pre4 - September 23 2017
+ Envelopes: when envelope bypassed outside of automation items, chase previous automation item value on seek [p=1888928]
# Envelopes: add actions to enable/disable envelopes outside of automation items on selected tracks, all visible envelopes, or all envelopes in the project
# Envelopes: when activating envelope in automation-item-only mode, automatically add an automation item at cursor position
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With these new changes and 'no envelope automation items' it seems like it would be extremely useful to have commands that mimic the current commands for latch preview automation mode:
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Automation: Write current values for actively-writing envelopes from cursor to end of project
Automation: Write current values for actively-writing envelopes to time selection
Automation: Write current values for actively-writing envelopes from cursor to start of project
Automation: Write current values for actively-writing envelopes from cursor to end of project
Except have versions that write an automation item with the current values to the specified range without turning on the envelope.
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09-23-2017, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Why is this necessary? It almost feels like a bug, to be honest.
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Otherwise the envelope becomes non-deterministic.
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09-23-2017, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgemeal
# Envelopes: when activating envelope in automation-item-only mode, automatically add an automation item at cursor position
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If this is going to be the behaviour, then it should also add the AI when switching an active envelope to an AI only lane.
However, this really doesn't seem to be what I thought was wanted. I thought the desire for this FR was for the control to be freely editable and that value stored outside the AI. So the automation lane basically does not exist and the control value is the 'user edited value' except when an AI is present at that time.
The current 'add an AI at the start' thing appears to entirely miss the point to me. We're basically back to being locked to an envelope!
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09-23-2017, 03:40 PM
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Otherwise the envelope becomes non-deterministic.
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I understand that but there must be a more elegant way to handle that situation, I think.
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09-23-2017, 04:04 PM
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Can we get an action to reset waveform peak zoom, please?
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09-23-2017, 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daxliniere
Can we get an action to reset waveform peak zoom, please?
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Can create one yourself by stacking a couple dozen "zoom out" actions for waveform peak zoom in a custom action
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