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08-20-2016, 11:30 PM
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Last MIDI notes extend to end of item!
This has been happening for a long long time.
When I'm recording Midi from my outboard keyboard, I often have notes that extend from where I stopped, and the last note goes to the end on the item. In my case that's the end of the song, I use full song items.
If I don't have any notes already recorded after the point where I stop, I can easily delete the long note and replace it.
But if I have notes after the point where I stop, It totally messes up the preceding notes and I have to record them all over again. Needless to say, this is extremely irritating and time consuming.
This picture shows what it did to my kick drum midi notes.
I don't have a way of reproducing it, it seems to just happen randomly. However, it happens often, it happened to me about 3 times today.
I can't imagine a setting to fix this but you never know.
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08-21-2016, 12:36 AM
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Can we have a look at those two clips (or similar ones)?
At first sight it looks like MIDI Note Offs are being lost / not received, but that doesn't help much. Use ReaControlMIDI (or insertpizhere's MIDI Monitor, as you can Save the log) to check that the Note Offs are all arriving?
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08-21-2016, 09:47 AM
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Thanks DS, here's a project file with the midi track in it. The problem area starts at measure 38 on the C1 key position.
Because there were already notes beyond where I stopped recording, the normally long note ended up split up. I ended up having to rerecord that whole section.
http://stash-new.reaper.fm/28307/zzz...rum%29%201.RPP
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08-21-2016, 10:12 AM
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Weird. Those C1 notes are overlapping in the MIDI Editor. So their Note Offs are being received but late. Here I have shifted some down to B0 just to see how they were positioned.
I did wonder how you got those Muted notes, then I saw the the recording mode is Overdub. Could that be relevant? Were all the SMD Kik notes recorded in one pass? If so, I have never seen Reaper create overlapping notes. Or perhaps there's a bug in the Overdub code that is corrupting the note positions?
What we really need is to be able to compare the recorded notes with a MIDI Monitor log to see if the Note On and Note Off positions correspond.
Also, can you try it using the normal MIDI recording mode?
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08-21-2016, 12:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkStar
Weird. Those C1 notes are overlapping in the MIDI Editor. So their Note Offs are being received but late. Here I have shifted some down to B0 just to see how they were positioned.
I did wonder how you got those Muted notes, then I saw the the recording mode is Overdub. Could that be relevant? Were all the SMD Kik notes recorded in one pass? If so, I have never seen Reaper create overlapping notes. Or perhaps there's a bug in the Overdub code that is corrupting the note positions?
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No, the notes were not recorded in one pass and I admit I always use the "Overdub" mode. Usually I don't have any notes beyond where I'm recording and when this problem normally happens, the notes extend all the way to the end of the item.
In this case I had deleted a section of notes to replace them, and when I overdubbed those notes and stopped, the last note went all the way to the end. But as you can see, the notes that were there, ended up splitting the long note into many notes. That's why I couldn't simply grab the long note and pull it down to delete it.
This could actually be associated with the "Overdub" mode.
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What we really need is to be able to compare the recorded notes with a MIDI Monitor log to see if the Note On and Note Off positions correspond.
Also, can you try it using the normal MIDI recording mode?
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Heh heh, I guess I could try a different way of recording midi, but that would really slow me down. Maybe later, I'm working on some paid projects right now, so I need to stay focused.
Incidentally, on the project I posted, when it happened, I did grab the long note at the end and deleted it, thinking I could get rid of it. That's when I noticed it was all cut up.
Thanks DS, If I can get some time I'll seriously sit down and try to make this happen in a way that we might get some answers.
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08-21-2016, 12:20 PM
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well hello there Tod and Darkstar --
i am willing to bet that you are discussing this issue regarding REC MIDI OVERDUB MODE and infinite notelengths. odds are you are either holding a note and releasing it post-loop, or recording one note overtop of pre-existing instances of that note, utterly confusing the noteoff.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=180453
that makes 5 people noticing this issue in the last week if anyone is counting. overdub mode, or more specifically the placement of NOTEOFFS, is gonna require some attention.
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08-21-2016, 12:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mccrabney
well hello there Tod and Darkstar --
i am willing to bet that you are discussing this issue regarding REC MIDI OVERDUB MODE and infinite notelengths. odds are you are either holding a note and releasing it post-loop, or recording one note overtop of pre-existing instances of that note, utterly confusing the noteoff.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=180453
that makes 5 people noticing this issue in the last week if anyone is counting. overdub mode, or more specifically the placement of NOTEOFFS, is gonna require some attention.
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Well I think you've nailed it mccrabney, but there don't need to be any notes in the way. I can be recording a completely empty passage, and end up with long note(s).
I think though, that landing on some previously recorded notes will cause it to happen regularly.
This has been happening a long time for me, and it would be nice to get it fixed.
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08-21-2016, 12:54 PM
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agreed. right now it's interfering with some pretty cool MIDI scripts.
best we can do is pin down the issue by reproducing it via multiple workflows and making sure that we are clear about the desired behavior.
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08-25-2016, 05:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mccrabney
agreed. right now it's interfering with some pretty cool MIDI scripts.
best we can do is pin down the issue by reproducing it via multiple workflows and making sure that we are clear about the desired behavior.
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Well, it's happened about three times today, and it's happening even if there are no midi notes beyond the stop recording point.
My work flow is simple, I use one full song midi item per track, and nearly always use the "Overdub" mode.
For me the desired behavior is to not extend the last midi note(s).
I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not. While I'm recording, all the notes go all the way to the end of the item until I let up on the note.
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08-25-2016, 05:43 PM
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if that behavior is not the cause, it is definitely a symptom.
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