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11-10-2017, 03:38 PM
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file is in use...?
Hi folks,
I'm having some strange things I didn't have before:
I have a song that I render as an mp3 and it's used in an other (mastertrack) file.
When my master track RPP project is open, I cannot render that song to the location.
Only solution is to close REAPER to release the rights of the file.
This wasn't before.
Any solution to this?
Last edited by godly; 11-10-2017 at 04:05 PM.
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11-11-2017, 02:11 AM
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Any idea guys what might cause this, now I have to restart reaper again to have the linked files imported again, because the project and its files are locked.
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11-11-2017, 02:13 AM
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Don't know what caused it, after a whole day of working with repaer yesterday it suddenly had this strange problem.
I'm don't recall Reaper crashing or so...
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11-11-2017, 03:07 AM
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do you open the master project at the same time in other tab?
do you have the option "Run background projects" activated? (right click project tab)
Last edited by heda; 11-11-2017 at 03:15 AM.
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11-11-2017, 03:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heda
do you open the master project at the same time in other tab?
do you have the option "Run background projects" activated? (right click project tab)
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Thx, no it's not activated?
Should I ?
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11-11-2017, 03:39 AM
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no... sorry, the option you should have activated is the one below.. "Offline background project media"
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11-11-2017, 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heda
no... sorry, the option you should have activated is the one below.. "Offline background project media"
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Hm it was...
I don't understand...
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11-11-2017, 12:25 PM
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I guess it's a bug in the latest version? I'm on 5.62 x64
Last edited by godly; 11-12-2017 at 02:47 AM.
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11-11-2017, 08:43 PM
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Quote:
I guess it's a bug in the latest version? I'm ion 5.62 x64
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Hello-Try changing your buffer sizes- <see if that> fixes it? =)
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11-12-2017, 02:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bri1
Hello-Try changing your buffer sizes- <see if that> fixes it? =)
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ok thx how do I do that
My buffers are already high?
Last edited by godly; 11-12-2017 at 03:53 AM.
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11-12-2017, 04:39 AM
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My buffers are already high?
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Aye- goto audio tab-- set buffer there ok...it may work with a slight buffer increase- i seem to remember fixing that issue for me some time ago... =)
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11-12-2017, 04:49 AM
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Thx I set it to 3000 now.
Don't know why it suddenly changed, hope it's fixed.
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11-12-2017, 04:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by godly
Thx I set it to 3000 now.
Don't know why it suddenly changed, hope it's fixed.
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Oh,3000 what? samples? or block size?!
I guess it depends on what actual driver in use-- for eg,i only get a 'block size' option using an asio driver-- but wasapi or w/e will allow me to set 'buffer' samples.
BEWARE! >setting too big sizes may even crash reaper> and it's quite a horrible crash @ that- - caution is always key when pushing/trying new settings.
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11-12-2017, 05:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bri1
Oh,3000 what? samples? or block size?!
I guess it depends on what actual driver in use-- for eg,i only get a 'block size' option using an asio driver-- but wasapi or w/e will allow me to set 'buffer' samples.
BEWARE! >setting too big sizes may even crash reaper> and it's quite a horrible crash @ that- - caution is always key when pushing/trying new settings.
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3000 ms Media buffer size
I'm on wasapi
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11-12-2017, 05:02 AM
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changing buffer size shouldn't affect how the file is opened or closed.
there is an action "Item: Set all media offline"
try to use that in the master project before rendering. Then Render, and then "Item: Set all media online"
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11-12-2017, 05:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heda
changing buffer size shouldn't affect how the file is opened or closed.
there is an action "Item: Set all media offline"
try to use that in the master project before rendering. Then Render, and then "Item: Set all media online"
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ok let's try that, thx
It should be offline when opening other tabs? right?
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11-12-2017, 05:57 AM
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Quote:
changing buffer size shouldn't affect how the file is opened or closed.
there is an action "Item: Set all media offline"
try to use that in the master project before rendering. Then Render, and then "Item: Set all media online"
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Um-i think the file is about to be written,so buffer sizes do actually matter here... y/n?
A user should'nt have to mess about with some 'hidden' settings or options when it comes to render time-- if so,then that's not really a friendly workspace is it?
Easy is what this should be.
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11-12-2017, 05:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by godly
ok let's try that, thx
It should be offline when opening other tabs? right?
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You really have no need to set any of that^ m8.
Offline,or online render should happen,no matter what,or not...
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11-12-2017, 06:05 AM
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Uhu agree,
Never had it before in the previous versions either, so I guess it really is a bug here.
It happened suddenly also in the workflow, so don't know what causes it.
Must be a rights problem, only closing Reaper releases the files in Windows Explorer also.
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11-12-2017, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by godly
Hi folks,
I'm having some strange things I didn't have before:
I have a song that I render as an mp3 and it's used in an other (mastertrack) file.
When my master track RPP project is open, I cannot render that song to the location.
Only solution is to close REAPER to release the rights of the file.
This wasn't before.
Any solution to this?
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Will it save to a different path? Different file name?
It lists there drive W.
Is Drive W: a usb flash drive?
Is it disconnected?
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11-12-2017, 11:04 AM
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Aye-other than buffers n stuff-could be that-- but the 'issue' is seen in the img post = error OPENING file.. user mistaking_ seems more the culprit here..
Perhaps the file was destroyed,or deleted somehow..
Last edited by Bri1; 11-12-2017 at 11:06 AM.
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11-12-2017, 11:09 AM
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I've tried to reproduce this. using 5.62 x64 too. render a file. insert it in another project tab. go and render it again and overwrite it successfully. no problems. when I switch to the tab the peaks are updated. So I don't know.
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11-12-2017, 03:49 PM
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Thx for your help! Really appreciate it.
Seems it's for worth certain files, but I'm not sure why, i can't check the file owner or rights in windows, like in Linux?
Last edited by godly; 11-13-2017 at 02:10 AM.
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11-12-2017, 04:57 PM
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Seems it's only worth certain files, but I'm not sure why, i can't check the file owner or rights in windows, like in Linux?
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You should be able to inspect all a files elements- unless project folder/file has some type of admins rights_ or_ an encrypted password _or_ something else like that---
Seems odd -if nobody else is reporting same thing..but problems also arise there,because of the multiple os and soundcard/interface/driver configurations...not all users are working or reading from the same book--let alone the same page!!
That^ makes it much much harder to troubleshoot for all.... {imo}
I don't actually know the direction reaper is,or will be taking,as it supports and tries to fix for more than 1 os currently.... > had in mind reaper >was heading more towards linux ..if any other os,,but cockos i guess has to attend to a much more varied and wider audience/clientele/associates.
OP>> can you render now,or not?!
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11-13-2017, 11:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bri1
OP>> can you render now,or not?!
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Nope and the crazy thing is, it only happens with some files. All in the same Master track and before it was no problem...
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11-13-2017, 11:37 AM
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Nope and the crazy thing is, it only happens with some files.
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Another clue- try to pinpoint the file type/s -- like is it the actual 'project' file--or any imported media like avi/mov/flac/wv/ogg/ddp___ w/e w/e.
Remember windowsiz does have a psr -to take snapshots of your programming steps..that can be helpfull in some cases--probably not this 1 though!
Maybe sending a repeatable project file to the devs >will help solve any errors.
What is the folder your trying to open in the img? or is that actually a folder? because that seems where it begins..
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11-13-2017, 12:33 PM
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it are mp3s that are imported into an existing RPP project...
Thx for your help man.
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11-17-2017, 07:21 AM
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I've been working this way for years and since it's new, let's call it a bug?
Reaper support?
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11-17-2017, 07:28 AM
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Has anyone formally proven just who has the lock on the file? If not I'll give instructions on how to confirm for sure.
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11-17-2017, 08:42 AM
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Yes please
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11-17-2017, 09:04 AM
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Are you familiar with using a command line? AKA start > run > cmd? If so and to keep things simple...
1. Grab handle.exe here.
2. **If it doesn't already exist, create a folder: C:\Temp
3. Extract handle.exe to C:\Temp
4. Run cmd.exe then type CD C:\Temp
5. Run handle.exe fileyoucareabout.mp3 or whatever the filename is.
** If you are already familiar with navigating with CMD you don't have to create that temp folder, you can just extract handle to wherever you wish and CD to it.
"fileyoucareabout" is the file that you think is locked. If any process has a handle to it output will show who owns the handle to the file. If the file were called MySong.mp3 the command would look like this:
handle.exe MySong.Mp3
And the output will look like this showing any handles to the file:
In the above, I purposely loaded a file called MySong.MP3 into Reaper because I know it will have a handle for demo purposes. Let me know if you have any problems. It won't tell you if it is locked but what we care about is which app(s) have an active handle open.
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11-17-2017, 09:52 AM
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Try making a sub-folder.
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12-01-2017, 02:28 PM
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Nope, still didn't work,
I recently encountered it with a new file, it works well, until I had to cancel rendering. Afer that the file is locked (because it's open in a background project, but that doesn't matter since it's offline and it worked at first!)
Reaper support, can you help me with this bug?
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12-01-2017, 05:42 PM
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12-03-2017, 07:07 AM
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Nope, it's on my NAS
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01-14-2019, 04:03 PM
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same problem in version 5.965
Dear all,
seemingly I run into the same problem with the locked files as
described by godly.
I am using the current version 5.965 of Reaper-64bit on Windows 10.
Several tracks in a project of mine contain externally generated MP3
files, one track has an m4a audio file (also externally generated as a
reference for comparing the other tracks to).
I have enabled the following flags in Reaper:
- Close audio device when stopped and application is inactive
- Close audio device when stopped and active
Using SysInternal's handle reveals that - when inactive - Reaper keeps
no handles on the mp3 files, but it definitely keeps the handle on the
m4a file making recreation of that file impossible.
Is this still a (known?) problem?
Best regards
DrTT
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