Old 03-16-2010, 09:23 AM   #41
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It does, yes, but this is a new feature so please try it out and let us know if anything doesn't work as expected. There is a known bug (fixed for the next build) where things will not copy/paste properly unless the MIDI item starts at the start of a measure, so if you do try it out, make sure the item that you are cut/copying from does start at the start of a measure.

can you tell me the steps?

I'm trying to copy from FL to Reaper with no success.

the steps that I do,
1. open a Piano roll in FL.
2. Insert notes...
3. Click on the top-left button of the Pianoroll > File -> Copy to Midi Clipboard
4. insert a midi item in reaper, open it, press Ctrl+V to paste...

nothign happen

I also tried to paste it directly to the arranger view (without opening a midi item)...

maybe I miss something..
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:37 AM   #42
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I think the evaluation version of FL doesn't support copying MIDI to the clipboard, so we couldn't test that direction. Does it work to copy from the Reaper MIDI editor (make sure the MIDI item begins at the start of the measure) and then paste into FL?

... edit, are you sure you selected something in FL before doing copy to clipboard?

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+ OSX: preliminary bridging support (to run 32 bit plugins on 64 bit, PPC plug-ins on Intel, etc)

is GUI's that load in the game plan, or should I plan on having to use no GUI?
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Hi John-

>>Does it work to copy from the Reaper MIDI editor (make sure the MIDI item begins at the start of the measure) and then paste into FL?

Yes, I can copy/paste from REAPER into FLS (9.0.3), but it doesn't work the other way. Notes are selected, I choose File > Copy to MIDI Clipboard in FLS, but neither Ctrl-V nor Edit>Paste do anything in REAPER.

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I think the evaluation version of FL doesn't support copying MIDI to the clipboard, so we couldn't test that direction.
hmm
never tried the demo of FL, but I will post this in their technical forum.

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Does it work to copy from the Reaper MIDI editor (make sure the MIDI item begins at the start of the measure) and then paste into FL?
no success here..

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... edit, are you sure you selected something in FL before doing copy to clipboard?
yes.
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no success here..
Copy/Paste from REAPER to FLS (9.0.3) works fine here, but not the other direction. Hmm...

You're using "File > Paste from MIDI clipboard" in FLS, correct?

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Hi John-

Same with SONAR PE 8.5.3.

I can Copy/Paste from REAPER to SONAR, but not the other way around.

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Hmm, OK. Odd that it works in one direction for both apps ... there must be something different about the way both apps paste data onto the clipboard vs. receiving it. We'll investigate further.

... edit, got it. We should be able to support pasting from these apps in the next build.

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Excellent, thanks so much!

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Modes for a midi CC controler(or OSC? ) could be :
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has anyone heard if ppc plugins on an intel mac will load a GUI in the future?
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has anyone heard if ppc plugins on an intel mac will load a GUI in the future?
They do now, just in their own window.

Also, the digitalfishphones ones don't have ui in reaper.. Not sure why, they seem to do something different...
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They do now, just in their own window.

Also, the digitalfishphones ones don't have ui in reaper.. Not sure why, they seem to do something different...
the solid state logic LMC-1 doesn't have a GUI in reaper either.
so the only ppc plugins I want to use don't have a gui in reaper...

haha, figures. I always seem to get "almost" when I'm hoping for something.

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I just e-mailed Urs Heckmann (the guy that compiled the fish fillets for mac) about this, I hope he can shed some light on the subject. Maybe I'm a little more obsessed with these plugins than I should be but I think they are wonderful gems that shouldn't have to fade away... as for the LMC-1 I guess I'm out of luck but there's hardly any parameters so stripping the GUI is no big deal.

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+ Action: adjust last touched FX parameter (MIDI CC)
this is great for quickly recording some automation,

another Action for...

+ Action: adjust last touched send volume (MIDI CC)

(& one for Pan i guess?)

would round off the quick grab automation control nicely,


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this is great for quickly recording some automation,

another Action for...

+ Action: adjust last touched send volume (MIDI CC)

(& one for Pan i guess?)
This one too please!
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+ Action: adjust last touched FX parameter (MIDI CC)
Love this.

Any chance of it having parameter feedback i.e. every time you select an FX parameter it sends the current value to your chosen midi device/channel/cc, so if you're using a rotary encoder you don't have to sweep about to find the latch point. This way you could just click and control. Better still, parameter info is sent on hover so you can just hover the mouse over an FX parameter and control it instantly.

Feasible or am I talking rubbish?
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so if you're using a rotary encoder you don't have to sweep about to find the latch point
Couldn't you just set it to relative instead of soft takeover?

Parameter control on hover isn't technically possible for VST unfortunately.
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*EDIT*
I just e-mailed Urs Heckmann (the guy that compiled the fish fillets for mac) about this, I hope he can shed some light on the subject. Maybe I'm a little more obsessed with these plugins than I should be but I think they are wonderful gems that shouldn't have to fade away... as for the LMC-1 I guess I'm out of luck but there's hardly any parameters so stripping the GUI is no big deal.
Cool, if you get any answers let me know and I'd be happy to try to fix. I've spent some time on it but can't figure out what it wants in order to show a UI. effEditGetRect after effEditOpen returns a zero rect, effEditDraw (just in case) doesn't seem to do much, etc...
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Couldn't you just set it to relative instead of soft takeover?
Ahah! Almost there, though I'm finding that the control now is too fine grain. I've tried fiddling with the settings in my BCF (testing the various relative modes) and the different relative modes in Reaper, but I can't figure it out -
it's obviously at my fingertips, I just don't know what I'm doing!

Does anyone know what the correct settings are?


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Ahh well, a single click is fine. Actually, practically it may be preferable in some situations where you might be moving the mouse elsewhere, or for tiny controls and people with the shakes.
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Parameter control on hover should be possible when using the alternative Reaper UI for plugins? No?
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Yes, definitely. But not many people want to use that.
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this changes everything. thank you.
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Ahah! Almost there, though I'm finding that the control now is too fine grain. I've tried fiddling with the settings in my BCF (testing the various relative modes) and the different relative modes in Reaper, but I can't figure it out -
it's obviously at my fingertips, I just don't know what I'm doing!

Does anyone know what the correct settings are?
Or where I might find some info on relative midi cc messages?

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this changes everything. thank you.
its yet another notch on Reapers "Cutting edge technology" bed post

its also left my BCR2000 feeling a bit over qualified

my Korg Nano Kontrol however seems to have full control of reaper


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so are we lucky pups going to get a toggle 'lock/unlock last adjusted fx parameter (midi cc)' thing?

please don't run away from 'awesomizing' this feature at the start!
if a 'lock' is added... i had a thought - i see the potential for a second action very similar but independant of the first, for use as an alternate when the main/first is in the 'locked' position.. bear with me -

so eg actions: last adjusted 1 (cc)
last adjusted 2 (cc)
lock last adjusted 1
lock last adjusted 2

so param 1 is adjusted and last adjusted 1 cc controls it as normal. lock 1 is activated and so cc1 is now locked to it.

problem is that would mean you are now without a last adjusted feature...

so thats when 'last adjusted2' comes along and assumes the role, and that can be locked too.

all with just 2 midi controllers...

conceivably you could have more than 2, but we have 2 hands and more might be greedy.


that make sense? its cool, please understand.
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Curvespace:

Basically rotary controllers send one message on left turn and another on right turn. It will just repeat the same message until you change direction. The value of that message determines the size of the "grain".


There are different types, the one I am familiar with (type 3 in Reaper) sends value 1 for right and value 65 of the same CC number on left turn. That's for the finest grain.
For course changes both values are higher, so the encoder would eg send value 7 for right and 71 for left turn. (again all of the same CC number).

They could also send 4 and 68 for "not that coarse", or 15 and 80 for "whhoooosh". I guess you could make a toggle switch out of any parameter by sending 64 and 128 .

If you can make your rotaries do that (or something according for the other rotary methods), you can have a more coarse control over the parameter. MCU uses a toggle button to switch between coarse and fine iirc. I made my FireOne wheel do the same just yesterday and it works beautiful for this action .

though, TCP and MCP Parameter knobs are not following nicely, visually, is that reported? don't matter whether fine or coarse...


Gotta check whether it works on other CC actions as well.

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subs: agreed completely. i built this to use this with reaper:



the wheel for scrub, knob for pan, 1 slider for selected track volume, 1 slider for track selection, and 1 slider for track zoom...and i've always wondered what to use the last slider for. well, now i know!
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Love this.

Any chance of it having parameter feedback i.e. every time you select an FX parameter it sends the current value to your chosen midi device/channel/cc, so if you're using a rotary encoder you don't have to sweep about to find the latch point. This way you could just click and control. Better still, parameter info is sent on hover so you can just hover the mouse over an FX parameter and control it instantly.

Feasible or am I talking rubbish?
+1 bazillion
then you could use a motorized fader
these pre's are so exciting!
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Thanks! Unfortunately I don't think I can try anything before the weekend, but I understand I should provide some feedback on this feature.
This morning I had some minutes, I insalled version 3.36 pre 5 and I got the same result as the other people: I can copy from Reaper to the clipboard (not a whole clip or item, just selected events inside the piano roll). But I cannot paste from the clipboard, either as an item or as events inside the piano roll view.

I guess you're planning to just paste inside a piano roll view, but I have seen that other DAWs can also paste a more complex MIDI clipboard containing several tracks, different channels, controls, etc. In fact Reaper does this to some extent when IMPORTING a MIDI file (with options to copy everything in a single track, ignore tempo info or not, etc).

This really would improve my workflow when composing, I don't know if that's the case for many users or not.

I don't know if I should post this info on the 3.36 pre 5 thread.

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Basically rotary controllers send one message on left turn and another on right turn. It will just repeat the same message until you change direction. The value of that message determines the size of the "grain"...
Awesome, I got it. In BC Manager for the BCF you can actually set the grain for different speeds. After much tinkering I now have a pot that is fine grain when moved slowly but that has four different settings depending how fast you're tweaking it.

Feels good. I really appreciate the insight. Thanks
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...After much tinkering I now have a pot that is fine grain when moved slowly but that has four different settings depending how fast you're tweaking it.

Feels good. I really appreciate the insight. Thanks
Boah! I want that! I was thinking about buying a Nocturn, but now I have to find out if it can do that as well
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"BCF2000 guys",

have you tried Klinke's new mcu version for the BCF2000? It essentially has novations automap and action commands built into it now and works really well with behringer's BCFview app.

Of course you could be speaking about the BC"R"2000 and therefore you can ignore this post!
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Boah! I want that! I was thinking about buying a Nocturn, but now I have to find out if it can do that as well
Yeah, it's sick. I'm thinking of adding a BCR to my set-up as it could effectively be like an inspector for the currently selected track. Preset one would handle the sends and visible fx params, as well as have encoders for zoom, track zoom, scrub and of course, last touched param. Preset two can then be set up with midi mappings for whatever the currently focussed plugin is. So effectively the BCF is for volume, pan, mute, solo, track selection and scrolling through tracks, in banks of 8 and the BCR allows me to grab any parameter on the currently selected track (using relative control, so no need to find the latch point).

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I'm curious about 'relative' control.

Are there limitations. If a particular encoder is at max and you select a parameter that is currently at min, what happens?
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If you have a bcf 2000 set up with Klinke's mod, the bcf can control ALL THE THINGS THE NOCTURN CAN

It really can as i have two novation automap devices and klinke's version has very very powerful action mode (that can do very good scrub, zoom etc) and it has a better than automap fx control mode

Try it before you buy a nocturn!
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If you have a bcf 2000 set up with Klinke's mod, the bcf can control ALL THE THINGS THE NOCTURN CAN

It really can as i have two novation automap devices and klinke's version has very very powerful action mode (that can do very good scrub, zoom etc) and it has a better than automap fx control mode

Try it before you buy a nocturn!
I'm probably being a bit naive here, but I couldn't really find any good documentation or demonstrations of what I'm missing out on. Having spent quite a long time setting up my BCF, I'm loathe to change it unless I know it's going to be worth the effort, which from every thing you've said sounds like it ought to be the case. Are there any videos of it in action with a BCF (apart from the screencast which didn't really enlighten me much)?

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nerdfactormax:
Only endless rotary encoders can send proper relative control. They work much like a mousewheel. There is no max or min on them. They only send either "forward" or "backward" messages, no absolute value.
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If you change your bcf's to mcu (cubase mode) just to check it you won't loose anything. make sure you use the bcfview prog from behringer too as the lcd emulation is where it's at

Most of it is explained in the text file that comes with it it's worth ticking all the option boxes in the device manager (except maybe "old behaviour select" as you can now use the normal keyboards modifiers to select multiple tracks)

-You have a few very powerful modes, one is fx control mode that allows you to assign and save configs very fast and easy for all your vsts (hold the alt modifier whilst selecting fx control to get the editor up which looks scary at first but bring up say "reaeq?" and you should get an idea of what's possible)
-You also have actions mode which allows you to assign actions and cc controls to named banks, you can have 8 banks of 8 controllers plus you can hold your shift key to double that. Again hold alt whilst pressing the button on your bcf to enter it's editor.
-You have sends and returns mode, this allows you to see all the sends or returns for a selected track as actual motorised faders, and then be able to jump from the return to the send and then from that channel to it's returns etc, very powerful.

The best way is to try it, and pm me with questions

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I'm probably being a bit naive here, but I couldn't really find any good documentation or demonstrations of what I'm missing out on. Having spent quite a long time setting up my BCF, I'm loathe to change it unless I know it's going to be worth the effort, which from every thing you've said sounds like it ought to be the case. Are there any videos of it in action with a BCF (apart from the screencast which didn't really enlighten me much)?

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Wicked, thanks, I'll let you know if I have any problems
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