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Old 10-17-2008, 02:49 PM   #41
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YES, PC. Cheaper, updateable, thousands of free superb vsts and vsti's.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:12 PM   #42
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I am currently running Reaper beta on OSX with very few crashes.
True there are less goodies, but a lot more class, reliability etc. imho.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:27 AM   #43
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YES, PC. Cheaper, updateable, thousands of free superb vsts and vsti's.
The VST will work on both platforms, they just need to be created for either Windows or Mac.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:04 AM   #44
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Use whatever format you are comfortable working in.

My experience so far with Reaper on Mac has been perfect;

- Latest Reaper build
- OSX 10.4 on Macbook Pro 2.1ghz 1GB RAM
- Sessions tracking 8+ channels at a time

Also use Logic 8, but Reaper Beta has had less issues (none to be exact).

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Old 10-28-2008, 08:43 AM   #45
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The VST will work on both platforms, they just need to be created for either Windows or Mac.
Yes, but with respect, there are thousands of free vsts for PC, hardly any for Mac. And if you want to upgrade your Mac hardware, it's expensive. Hundreds of thousands of cheap generic upgrade companies for PCs.
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:09 PM   #46
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Yes, but with respect, there are thousands of free vsts for PC, hardly any for Mac. And if you want to upgrade your Mac hardware, it's expensive. Hundreds of thousands of cheap generic upgrade companies for PCs.
Cheers.
You're right here. I think the problem is that the Unix, Mach, and OS X language is a bit difficult to program to, which is probably why there are also so much fewer viruses. It is this reason my friend that Windows will prevail.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:37 AM   #47
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a lot of free PC vsts are made with synthedit - which may be ported to OSX one day. Not that mac folks are missing much imho. And there are some nice AU only plugs as well it should be noted. In any case I don't think that mac people will have any trouble getting all the plugs a person could wish for - so that's a red herring imo. And there are some cool apps for mac only as well - Audio Ease Snapper comes to mind...

Its true macs are not the cheapest way to go, and I can't speak to programming issues.

But on the plus side for macs - Core Audio can combine multiple interfaces - Pro macs come with optical interface included - no midi/audio driver setup hassles (with core audio compliant devices) - built in incremental backup - very good build quality.

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Old 10-29-2008, 06:41 AM   #48
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Great if you have the money. Nothing wrong with Macs. But if you are disabled and trying to exist on £79 a week state benefits, but have been a pro musician for years, as I have, then PC is the answer. And hundreds of free plugs for PC were not made on synthedit. And are as good quality as you find anywhere. Any Mac equivalent of SIR convolution for free, for example? But I'm not arguin or being unfriendly. Horses for courses, as the saying goes. My entire very fast dual core PC system and a ton of top class plugs cost £300 in total and I make commercial tv music on it. Cheers.
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:26 PM   #49
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Yeah the Apple tax is very high at the moment. Worst value for money Macbooks ever. Nearly double for the 13":

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4668
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:56 PM   #50
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As I said, I am running the latest Reaper versions on a Mac Pro with few crashes.

50+ tracks sessions with VIs, Altiverb, etc. Very pleasing !

Plug-ins wise, I realized that I usually reach at my favourites all the time. I prefer having few elements I know very well instead of a large quantity of medium quality stuff.

And Windows is really ugly, imho. It just has this toy feel I hate.
Now, I am just trying to recover from a serious crash on my Mac laptop right now ... so sh*t happens with Macs as well.

As long as I can stick to Macs, I'll do it.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:58 PM   #51
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As I said, I am running the latest Reaper versions on a Mac Pro with few crashes.

50+ tracks sessions with VIs, Altiverb, etc. Very pleasing !

Plug-ins wise, I realized that I usually reach at my favourites all the time. I prefer having few elements I know very well instead of a large quantity of medium quality stuff.

And Windows is really ugly, imho. It just has this toy feel I hate.
Now, I am just trying to recover from a serious crash on my Mac laptop right now ... so sh*t happens with Macs as well.

As long as I can stick to Macs, I'll do it.
Is the Mac still salvageable?
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:24 PM   #52
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Thousands for a Mac, and it crashes? Outrageous, man. Get 5 PCs for the same price.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:27 AM   #53
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I am talking an 6 years old Powerbook G4 here.

I just changed the hard drive myself thanx to iFixit.com.
Works well now.

I do NOT want to start a PC vs Mac war here ...
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:21 AM   #54
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Nor me, mio, no wars from me. We're all musos whether we use macs pcs or sinclair spectrums
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:39 AM   #56
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Really! To begin with, I am a rather recent REAPER convert, and I am completely baffled by its possibilities and ease of use, after having worked with Sony Acid, ProTools, Logic and various freebies. I'll be getting that commercial licence as soon as I am back to work. ;-) Anyway, to help throw some foam on the flames of the Mac/PC war I would just like to mention that I am switching effortlessly between a mac and a PC, using REAPER with Vienna Symphonic Library and the supplied VST:s. Just wish there were some more free plugs available for both systems...
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Old 11-08-2008, 05:31 AM   #57
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Some people buy OSX and put it on their PC's. You would not get any support from Apple by doing that, but it may not matter. As long as you don't build and distribute computers like that you'll be okay.

Problem is everything works with Windows cuz this is a Windows world. OSX on the other hand is more picky about hardware. For instance, I couldn't even use OSX on my current build cuz my E-MU 1212 won't work with it. Plus I would have to buy a new video card plus an ethernet card.

I don't subscribe to the Virus myth either. I'm connected 24/7 and use Opera instead of Internet Explorer and I stay pretty clean. And I use Acronis to image my machine, so even if I got a bug I could eradicate it within minutes.
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Old 11-08-2008, 09:01 AM   #58
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Aside from the general sick PC = $600, sick MAC = $6000 argument, many of the "big league" cross-platform plugins (Native Instruments, etc...) will have either bugs or performances issues that only apply to the MAC version(read the company forums). Any mature OSX version has always been buggier than the equivalent mature Windows version. The early/pre-SP1 versions of either OS can be buggy.
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Old 11-08-2008, 04:02 PM   #59
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mac vs pc.
in a lighthearted vein.
my viewpoint..lol.

a friend of mine says if you get a mac from the best part of town...
you also get the best looking women too in the high falutin nightspots.
the problem is it costs a lot buying drinks so a hot looking woman will give you a second glance.
another downside is some mates/acquaintenances might try n steal em from you.
or be tempted anyway.
(so be careful who you tell that you have one.
not a good idea to show a hot woman off sometimes.)
hot looking women can sometimes be high maintenance ,
like scullys n 2 inch multitraks.

and your hot looking woman will likely get annoyed if an mbp goes wrong
and she has to wait to do her vocals while you send her out in the limo
and wait at applecare while the mbp is being fixed.
and she wont be impressed when you ask her to get a job for a bit...
so you can add more and more expensive memory and a hard drive internal upgrade
so garageband can load faster with all her vocal n instrument traks.....
and she wont be impressed when the multiple core mac she bought you for xmas ,
has been replaced by something newer n better n faster, and so now she has to take yet another job,
so she can buy you a new machine for your birthday.


or you can go to the other side of town, down by the traks.
(where youll find lots of available deep discount options...so many in fact you get a mind buzz.)
n get a woman with a different set of issues.
if you pick the right one, she can be a sterling performer.
but you gotta be carefull getting the right personality traits
in the first place n mebe do a trial run living together to see
how compatible you are, as well as assessing how well she gets on
with your existing treasure trove of goodies.
if you get the right one, she can be honest n true for years.
but if your lackadaisical in your choice of personality traits,
your life might get rather difficult.
but be carefull letting her visit lots of your mates
who work at various sites.
cos she might be tempted, n get something, if you havent chosen wisely.
n let her roam willy nilly.
so best bet is not to let her visit any sites in the first place.

she might also develope a problem or mebe nag you
if you dont buy her the occasional bunch of flowers and give her a tune up.
plus you gotta be carefull feeding her lots of goodies without assessing
the impact on her health , cos she might hiccup on the wrong one.
all over your nice new shirt.

whichever way you go, in summary, there are problems to consider.
no perfect solution.
and...whichever way you go, in the end, youll prolly get seduced
by the new model that comes out, and youll put your old model
into retirement, and look sadly at your bank account.
and youll wonder why your bank manager is always smiling
when he gives you a loan for the nth time, and is always gazeing fondly at
the porsche sitting outside his window.
yep...you helped buy it.

ah but "i'm a gearslut", i hear you say.
i was born to be seduced.


there is just no winning this game whichever route you take....lol.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:29 PM   #60
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This is always a sensitive subject to most of us, since we need to stand behind our own decisions. Sure, my decision is only valid for myself, but I don't mind sharing it in case it would help someone else.

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OSX on the other hand is more picky about hardware.
An official and legal version of OSX is not. Your comment only applies to a hacked OSX running on a PC, which I don't find that relevant.

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I don't subscribe to the Virus myth either. I'm connected 24/7 and use Opera instead of Internet Explorer and I stay pretty clean.
Actually, I think you confirmed the myth. Using other than the default browser makes you stay _pretty_ clean is pretty far from staying completely clean using any browser available. The distance from 0 to 1 is a lot bigger than from 1 to 500.

The usefullness of a firewall is no myth. Exploitable ports and permissions are a fact of life even if You don't use a web browser. Besides, I'm quite sure your caches and registry could sure use a dose of Ccleaner already.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Opera user all the way, even on OSX. But having used OSX for almost 2 years has saved me so very much in headaches, due to complete lack of adware, spyware, worms and viruses. And I definitely knew what to avoid when surfing on a PC. Can't stop imagining how much OSX would help my father, he just doesn't have the common knowledge when using a computer. No amount of software can fix that on a PC.

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Any mature OSX version has always been buggier than the equivalent mature Windows version.
Funny. The only bugs I've encountered in OSX are application based, or too miniscule to mention. In my opinion, XP SP2 was a jack-o-lantern compared even to the first OSX 10.5. What kind of bugs do you mean?

And to the woman analogy, I say for the PC it is pretty true. But my Mac doesn't behave like a woman at all.

Sure, there are differencies that has to be concidered. But for the topic starter, there was that one beta that was buggier than other betas (!). Will you really decide your hardware purchases based on that?

I record 16-track live shows with Reaper OSX and don't give it another thought. Haven't Bootcamped or even VMWared for Reaper for a long time.
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Old 11-09-2008, 07:49 AM   #61
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well said Aki-


I love osx for the same reasons. I love the beta on osx, no problems worth mentioning.
Its informative enough to hear peoples different opinions.
Yet noone is prevented from making music despite their system, in fact everyone has discovered a way that works for them.

no problem.

time to relax and make some music.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:19 AM   #62
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i think if you have a mac great and same visa versa for Windows, cause with reaper there are no real gains either way. if you have a Mac and it working with you stick with it, and for windows it is the same, although if you buy your PC from a retailer, make sure you reformat it to get all that crap off.

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