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Originally Posted by Doc Brown
My goal is to build a couple of dedicated midi controllers that are perfect clones (at least as much as I could realistically map to hardware) for soft synths that I use the most but it seems like the best I'm going to get right now is 7 bit resolution which sucks for synths.
Any thoughts?
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Use REAPER's OSC Control Surface feature and convert OSC to/from 14-bit MIDI using an external tool like OSCII-bot. I do this all the time whenever I use REAPER, and it works just fine (the main drawback of this method may be that you can't easily remap the order of parameters). And, fwiw, I also use plain 14-bit MIDI CC pairs with plug-ins that support it, such as u-he's DIVA, without converting to/from OSC.
Alternatively, you may consider using another application that is more capable than REAPER in this respect, such as Ableton Live.
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Originally Posted by Doc Brown
Maybe with the upcoming HD midi protocol we can have a totally different conversation a couple years from now.
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Nah, there's not much need for that. You can just switch to a more capable host right now, use the available workarounds for REAPER, or wait for REAPER to implement better support for the 30+ year old plain MIDI.
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Originally Posted by DarkStar
Anyone know of DAWs that do support high-resolution MIDI automation?
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Basically,
every DAW that supports MIDI also supports at least recording and playback of high-resolution MIDI - unless they mess it up with automatic value smoothing / interpolation (for example, Bitwig Studio is useless for this purpose - but its native controller scripting feature does allow 14-bit CCs to be converted to/from automation, in a much easier manner than REAPER does).
The more important question, imho, is if an application offers an easy workflow for mapping parameters to 14-bit controls, and for editing 14-bit control data.
REAPER does support integrated editing of 14-bit CC pairs (and of course, ReaControlMIDI can be used to generate 14-bit MIDI from automation envelopes), but still
does not support 'learning' 14-bit MIDI CC pairs.
In contrast, for example, Ableton Live does support 'learning' 14-bit CC pairs, and also provides 'feedback', which is
still completely missing in REAPER for learned' control bindings. In other words: Ableton Live totally kicks REAPER's ass for this purpose. Or is that only a half ass?
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Originally Posted by DarkStar
Add which plug-ins make use of it? For what?
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For example, all of u-he's plug-ins support 14-bit CCs for every parameter that can be mapped to MIDI controls.
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Originally Posted by DarkStar
It sounds like an FR for the MIDI Learn window is needed: - a check-box to expect 2 CC messages, for 14-bit resolution (does the plug-in tell Reaper is a parameter is 14-bit resolution? if so, that could control the display oh the new check box),
- manual selection of the MIDI channel and the MIDI CC message number(s) (that would making MIDI Learning without a keyboard controller much easier in all cases).
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^ There's a FR already, please vote if you haven't yet!
A checkbox isn't required for the typical case, as simply seeing corresponding LSB and MSB CC messages (i.e. message with CC number between 0 and 31, and another message with CC number exactly 32 higher) within a very short time frame should suffice.
The point about whether parameters "tell REAPER" that they support a 14-bit MIDI resolution is nonsense, as afaik,
all (VST, AU) plug-in parameters support 32-bit floating point resolution.
A possibility for manual configuration would indeed be useful, I agree, but then it would
not be a 'learn' function anymore, of course.
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Originally Posted by gofer
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How is that "only partial success"? Afaik that workaround does everything that is required to use 14-bit (N)RPN messages.
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Originally Posted by mschnell
I just bought a high-end VST instrument (Sample Modeling SWAM Flutes) and a high end hardware controller (TEC BBC). I use them for live playing with Reaper as a VST host.
Even though IMHO it would be very appropriate to link them with high resolution MIDI messages, neither of them supports this .
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I have never heard of a TEC BBC controller device, but if its features are already outperformed by a cheap generic controller like Behringer's BCF/BCR-2000, "high end" seems a bit of a misnomer.
And for a VST that's basically just a sample player, I don't really see a need for using 14-bit resolution. What parameters, if any, would benefit from increased resolution over 7-bit?