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08-20-2018, 07:56 PM
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You will need to understand that for someone else, Reaper is the DAW with endless possibilities but mediocre handling and usability. Is it allowed to say that? Or do you feel like: "She wants to destroy Reaper. Reaper is my treasure. Oh no! I have to write something against this blasphemy!"
Holy cow! Whats going in here?
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This is constant in this forums. It's like inquisition : ) Every thing less positive then "reaper is great" can't happen here!
One thing: You are saying "mediocre handling and usability" and this is too vague.
You have to be more specific. In general i think with some effort reaper can have a great workflow and usability is great too . If you don't specify objectively why you say that it's not a constructive critic because no one will be able to know what you trying to refer.
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08-20-2018, 08:24 PM
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#162
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Originally Posted by deeb
This is constant in this forums. It's like inquisition : ) Every thing less positive then "reaper is great" can't happen here!
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Come on, that Eliseat's comment was written to me, and stemmed from a banal and hilarious misinterpretation, as if I had written something completely different. I already replied and pointed out how absurd all of it was, and... that's about it. Now using such a comment as a springboard for an "inquisition" remark like this, in turn, isn't doing your quest for actual constructive discussion (that's what you are after, remember?) any favors.
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08-20-2018, 08:51 PM
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#163
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Originally Posted by Lunar Ladder
Come on, that Eliseat's comment was written to me, and stemmed from a banal and hilarious misinterpretation, as if I had written something completely different. I already replied and pointed out how absurd all of it was, and... that's about it. Now using such a comment as a springboard for an "inquisition" remark like this, in turn, isn't doing your quest for actual constructive discussion (that's what you are after, remember?) any favors.
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i don't mean specifically you! it's everyone man! it's very difficult to discuss in this forums. I don't even know what you 2 are discussing : ) How about : both are right? who borned first: the egg or chicken discussion.
altho to me Eliseat's will have to take time to define what he misses because it's too vague. And so there is not much to debate with him.
A lot of people tho if you notice just come here to give a slap or throw a stone and leave. Seems like fun!
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08-20-2018, 09:05 PM
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#164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deeb
Eliseat's will have to take time to define what he misses because it's too vague. And so there is not much to debate with him.
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Not much to debate with her, I would hazard a guess.
Why does it need to be a debate in the first place, though?
But yeah, as I said yesterday, in my opinion Eliseat's general answer on how to make Reaper better is a good one.
Anyway, forum fatigue setting in, I have a feeling there's a lot of pushing a cart uphill to be done in topics like this if it's to be kept actually constructive and balanced and all that, heh. At least back there when replying to Eliseat, after seeing the... colorful stuff written on my alleged thoughts, I already said, "It's clearly not worth it "
I'll occasionally stop by and make a peep, but yepp. Laters.
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08-20-2018, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Thonex
That said, I don't think it would be a Herculean task to get Reaper to be as user friendly as Cubase or Logic.
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This is why people will never agree. The very idea of using "Logic" and "user friendly" in the same sentence will throw pretty much everyone for a loop
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08-20-2018, 11:15 PM
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#166
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What's this obsession with people wanting Reaper to be more like Logic or Cubase? Use Logic or Cubase instead.
After moving from Cubase 6 years ago , I am now lost trying to do stuff in Cubase. It's not more or less intuitive. It's different.
Trying to help a friend in Logic do stuff....forget it. Can't get much done there.
Same with Studio One.
All DAWs have a learning curve. The one you get used to after learning what to do is the one you often like best.
Reaper, with a custom theme, is exactly what I like and need. The only thing that looks boring is the FX window but I need it functional, not exciting to use.
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08-20-2018, 11:20 PM
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#167
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunar Ladder
In my own case, the positive outcome was the result of not trying to approximate a 1:1 workflow from somewhere else, and instead considering the available toolset from the viewpoint of production methods and key workflows important to me, and configuring those in Reaper in a way that makes sense to me, but doesn't attempt mimicing how I work in Live, for example. I think the biggest catch of those pre-packaged environments (that might look like they approximate some other product) is, they obviously can't contain 1:1 the functionality and naturally differ in key areas that become a second nature after you've spent years in some other package.
That being said, for what it's worth, here's the theme I use a customized version of: https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/2167/G...ReaperThemeZip (I recommend mixer panel layout "large")
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I agree about it not being a 1:1 thing, but to at least have basic mappings of basic things, looping behaviors 90% of the people out there use, Option dragging to copy MIDI and audio files like is standard on OSX applications, the relevant Windows shortcuts etc. Live is poor on shortcuts, and big on intuitive, so hardly a chance of a similar workflow there, but Logic and DP have long lists of keyboard shortcuts, and getting up and running is the main thing we all want right? Reapers standard set up is far removed from similar DAWs, and a basic feature set similar in nature would do a lot of good.
Again no one should doubt that I'm sold on this software, I'm sitting here loving the Default Commala theme mixer stretched to full screen on the Raven touch screen here, along with the amazing Push 2 software for Reaper. Don't even care that Slate never developed a proper overlay for multitouch with Reapers mixer.
It's just as I said though, coming from other DAWs and not being a coder/tinkerer type it's daunting to set up Reaper how you want it, because even the basic elements will likely need tweaking. I'm beginning to see the light but I still mostly write in DP and Live at this point, and the few songs I've started in Reaper are slow to fruition as I run into various areas of Reaper I need to set up for a rapid workflow. It will happen though, the feature set in Reaper is more than worth the initial pain. It took me forever to get used to Logic back in the day, but I eventually had a super fast workflow in v6 before Apple did a few things that killed it in 8, so I get the concept of not encasing things in concrete and killing a customized workflow after ditching Logic for that very reason.
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08-21-2018, 12:44 AM
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Reaper has been the slowest most frustrating change over for me.
I'm totally on board now, but there were many times when I thought stuff it..
Then upon further consideration, I despise Avid so much (after 15 years full time use) that I kept at it.
Now, the only HUGE omission from Reaper design that still makes me swear at it, is the lack of drag over to highlight a section, the lack of this basic function is a huge omission from the devs.
All of this silly mouse marquee shenanigans... so 1980's.
I will keep swearing at it because my wrist hurts.
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08-21-2018, 01:21 AM
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#169
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You can do the bottom of items mouse modifier thing for Mac style drag
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08-21-2018, 01:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
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Originally Posted by Thonex View Post
That said, I don't think it would be a Herculean task to get Reaper to be as user friendly as Cubase or Logic.
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This is why people will never agree. The very idea of using "Logic" and "user friendly" in the same sentence will throw pretty much everyone for a loop
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Maybe a better way for me to have put it would have been like this:
"That said, I don't think it would be a Herculean task to get Reaper to behave like Cubase or Logic."
My main point in my reply was to make it easier for people to transition to Reaper.
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08-21-2018, 01:29 AM
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@ ChristopherT:
"is the lack of drag over to highlight a section"
- I don't get it ; is Marquee selecting not enough for you ?
"All of this silly mouse marquee shenanigans... so 1980's. "
- That's highly subjective ofcourse.
I find Mouse Modifiers extremely powerful for really quick workflows:
Not having to constantly switch between different Tools (select/split/etc) like in other
DAW's is a great time saver.
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08-21-2018, 01:32 AM
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#172
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To anybody, who doesn't "feel" Reaper... why not buy another DAW, and use both.
Even Kenny, the "Reaper Guru", is using at least ProTools besides Reaper. See here: http://www.kennymania.com/shop/
I have Cubase, used it for 20 years, and am happy to use Reaper instead, and miss nothing from Cubase (especially not the chord track and expression maps, which I never used).
I also have Ableton Live, and often wish Reaper had ability to group effects in rack.
Reality is like that, sometimes it is easier and better to use more tools. What you cannot do in Reaper, do in some other DAW.
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08-21-2018, 02:30 AM
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#173
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@Vanhaze
If you have ever used ProTools then you know how quick the drag highlight function is.
Drag across an item - press delete - done, and also every other track grouped has the same slice taken out.
Or process the highlighted area and all grouped items.
No Marqueeing
As far as I can remember (18 years ago) - Cubase did the same highlight/drag.
And further back (30-35 years ago) - Pro 24 (Pre Cubase) did it too.
Logic? I bet it does this drag highlight function too.
It is simple ergonomics
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08-21-2018, 02:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deeb
I would like to ask at other people that are not interested in the thread, please contribute by not giving noise to this thread. Go do some music or walk , or comment other threads.
We want to discuss constructively on topic.
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Congratulations! You are back on my Ignore List. Your arrogance wears me out.
So much for "constructive discussion".... Bye.
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08-21-2018, 02:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChristopherT
@Vanhaze
If you have ever used ProTools then you know how quick the drag highlight function is.
Drag across an item - press delete - done, and also every other track grouped has the same slice taken out.
Or process the highlighted area and all grouped items.
No Marqueeing
As far as I can remember (18 years ago) - Cubase did the same highlight/drag.
And further back (30-35 years ago) - Pro 24 (Pre Cubase) did it too.
Logic? I bet it does this drag highlight function too.
It is simple ergonomics
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That's alt+right drag on item, then delete in Reaper. Works on grouped items as well.
I'm not sure what you mean by "no marqueeing". Other DAWs do that marqueeing as well when doing this stuff. "Dragging across an item" is also marqueeing.
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08-21-2018, 03:23 AM
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ED - I know I still have heaps to learn..
I never knew about the alt function, probably because I am used to not needing to press a button when a right drag select/delete.
But trying it - alt drag right only highlights the selection, but then I need to split it, and then delete it.
lots of tasks for a simple delete edit
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08-21-2018, 04:07 AM
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You don't need to split it first. Change your Del key assignment to "SWS: Remove items/tracks/env, (obey time selection)", then you just need to press Del and it goes away. For all grouped items too.
In case of regular ungrouped items it just removes what you marqueed within time selection:
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08-21-2018, 04:19 AM
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Thank you ED for solving my biggest editing problem
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08-21-2018, 04:24 AM
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#179
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Sure thing
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08-21-2018, 05:14 AM
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#180
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As a relatively new Reaper user, less than a year since demise of Sonar, I'd say that Reaper was a good 6 months of learning curve. This is after 15 years of using Sonar heavily, so part of that learning curve has been adjusting workflow.
Reaper is great, I'm able to do things I was never able to do with Sonar. Custom actions are excellent. I'm converted.
Defaults are still sometimes head-scratchers. I find myself on the forum searching basic, stupid questions all the time while I'm working on a project.
It's all been said, but overall I find myself recommending Reaper to friends who are good with programs and willing to search forums, and not necessarily to those who need help with the same.
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08-21-2018, 06:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunar Ladder
Why does it need to be a debate in the first place, though?
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There is no alternative other then destroying the topic! : )
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunar Ladder
Anyway, forum fatigue setting in, I have a feeling there's a lot of pushing a cart uphill to be done in topics like this if it's to be kept actually constructive and balanced and all that, heh. At least back there when replying to Eliseat, after seeing the... colorful stuff written on my alleged thoughts, I already said, "It's clearly not worth it "
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It's very difficult lol!
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08-21-2018, 07:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inertia
What's this obsession with people wanting Reaper to be more like Logic or Cubase? Use Logic or Cubase instead.
After moving from Cubase 6 years ago , I am now lost trying to do stuff in Cubase. It's not more or less intuitive. It's different.
Trying to help a friend in Logic do stuff....forget it. Can't get much done there.
Same with Studio One.
All DAWs have a learning curve. The one you get used to after learning what to do is the one you often like best.
Reaper, with a custom theme, is exactly what I like and need. The only thing that looks boring is the FX window but I need it functional, not exciting to use.
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Exactly - I came from Cakewalk and really missed the midi workflow - went back a couple of years later and couldn't figure out what I liked about it.
I have some frustrations with Reaper's windowing system, but I haven't found a DAW that resolves it for me in a better way.
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08-21-2018, 07:05 AM
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nevermind... found it...
Sometimes I am scared how little I know about Reaper in 5,6,7 years fiddeling around with it.. :-)
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08-21-2018, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Winter
And what would happen to existing users if all the shortcuts were revised at some date..?
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Another alternative would be something like inject old non smart action with the smart actions. I mean, i am not sure, but something like: smart actions get the old's commands Id's. Seems to me that it would be possible a smooth and clean transition this way.
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08-21-2018, 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rst
There is long discussion going about probably upcoming version 6 and I find some expectations too high. Especially ones about UI improvement. Reaper is developed longer than decade and there is possible to see some worrying trend.
Reaper is very powerful functionally, probably can do more than any other daw. But it is so powerful that nobody can overpower it and create sane user interface defaults. And, I am afraid, never will.
Reaper slowly becomes IDE, not DAW.
There is high quality core with open API, actions list etc. packed into cluttered menus and the rest you can tweak yourself using scripts, walter, toolbars, custom actions etc. or search forums. What next? Hire a programmer to program scripts for you, while you try to make music? That reminds me world of Linux with well developed kernel and assorted cluttered desktop space on top, which never got usable over 20 years of "development" by super cool "community". Reaper may repeat the same path.
Sorry, maybe just bad day, but somehow I got doubts if Reaper is still so cool and is it still a DAW.
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Can you make music with it ? If yes, then it is a DAW.
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08-21-2018, 10:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thonex
Maybe a better way for me to have put it would have been like this:
"That said, I don't think it would be a Herculean task to get Reaper to behave like Cubase or Logic."
My main point in my reply was to make it easier for people to transition to Reaper.
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One of my primary aims in ideas for reaper was to make sure it acted as far as possible as it could from cubase or especially logic in many, many ways...Maybe those programs are different now, but at the time of reaper's creation, they were ridiculously slow to do any regular editing task. Reaper was closer to Vegas' much quicker and to many (most?) of us anyways, far more intuitive model
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08-21-2018, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
One of my primary aims in ideas for reaper was to make sure it acted as far as possible as it could from cubase or especially logic in many, many ways...Maybe those programs are different now, but at the time of reaper's creation, they were ridiculously slow to do any regular editing task. Reaper was closer to Vegas' much quicker and to many (most?) of us anyways, far more intuitive model
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I get what you're saying... and I agree. But I think you may be missing my bigger point here... and that is to ease the transition for users from the likes of Cubase, Logic (and other popular DAWs) to Reaper. Like it or not, there are a ton of Cubase/Logic users out there. I'm not saying Reaper needs to be Cubase or Logic... we already have those. But as someone who is in the process of transitioning (I'm a power user for editing and MIDI (400+ MIDI tracks orchestral etc. etc) I found it quite tedious to transition. A lot of my time was spent just looking for things and trying different names for commands etc. I think that the tedium, nomenclature, location of features etc... make the new Reapers user frustrated when coming from other DAWs. Reaper has so many commands, it can be like finding a needle in a haystack.
Since Reaper is so flexible (I don't know of a more flexible DAW out there) I thought it might be a good idea to consider having different "Personas" (saved Menu states and actions, key commands and mouse functionality) that resemble the other DAWs. That way it would be easier to transition... that's all. Not trying to turn Reaper into anything it's not... just using its strengths to welcome new users from other platforms.
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08-21-2018, 11:42 AM
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@Vanhaze
If you have ever used ProTools then you know how quick the drag highlight function is.
Drag across an item - press delete - done, and also every other track grouped has the same slice taken out.
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I set mine up so my top half of the waveform acts like windows products and the bottom half acts like Mac products so you can do this. Its in the mouse modifiers...I really loved how samplitude gave you the best of both worlds and now you can do it in reaper too
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08-21-2018, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Thonex
I get what you're saying... and I agree. But I think you may be missing my bigger point here... and that is to ease the transition for users from the likes of Cubase, Logic (and other popular DAWs) to Reaper.
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I do understand, but I wouldn't want reaper to be slower or crappier just to make it as crappy or slow as some of these other paradigms. I'm pretty sure that some sort of preference file could be made to make this simpler, but I wouldn't want to remove power and functionality from reaper just to make is as non functional as other daws, I dont see why it cant be a big tent, let you work the way you want, let me work the way I want, even if it means both of us have to do a bit of setup
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08-21-2018, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio
I'm pretty sure that some sort of preference file could be made to make this simpler
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That's exactly what Thonex is talking about
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08-21-2018, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by deeb
Another alternative would be something like inject old non smart action with the smart actions. I mean, i am not sure, but something like: smart actions get the old's commands Id's. Seems to me that it would be possible a smooth and clean transition this way.
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What are smart actions?
It seems to me that you should just sit down and remap the hotkeys as you want them. If you come up with something better, maybe share them with other people and see what they think. I for one would not relish having to relearn many new hot keys.. Or maybe I completely misunderstand
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Originally Posted by Thonex
Since Reaper is so flexible (I don't know of a more flexible DAW out there) I thought it might be a good idea to consider having different "Personas" (saved Menu states and actions, key commands and mouse functionality) that resemble the other DAWs. That way it would be easier to transition... that's all. Not trying to turn Reaper into anything it's not... just using its strengths to welcome new users from other platforms.
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Kind of like switching a theme? I think you can already do that by exporting/importing configurations?
But hasn't this already been done in the past? IIRC there have been a few efforts of making themes that look like and share many hotkeys with other well known DAWs. I haven't really followed the forums for a long time except for the pre forum and now lately the linux forum, so I have missed out on a lot of things. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject if I'm completely off base!
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08-21-2018, 01:44 PM
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Sorry but this frustrating. You wouldnt have to Change or learn a nything. I thought it was clear, becauwe otherwise you wouldnt:t have maded that question. anyway ill post later if you re read and dont get WhatsApp i mean
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08-21-2018, 01:53 PM
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Sorry but this frustrating. You wouldnt have to Change or learn a nything. I thought it was clear, becauwe otherwise you wouldnt:t have maded that question. anyway ill post later if you re read and dont get WhatsApp i mean
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You have me confused as well. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Even what I just quoted is confusing. Take a deep breath and clearly explain what you mean by "smart actions". And what does WhatsApp have to do with any of this?
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08-21-2018, 01:59 PM
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Kind of like switching a theme? I think you can already do that by exporting/importing configurations?
But hasn't this already been done in the past? IIRC there have been a few efforts of making themes that look like and share many hotkeys with other well known DAWs. I haven't really followed the forums for a long time except for the pre forum and now lately the linux forum, so I have missed out on a lot of things. Please excuse my ignorance on the subject if I'm completely off base!
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Hi Jack,
I'm not really talking about themes as much as functionality. A preference option that offered quasi Cubase or Logic commands as well as mouse behavior, menu lists and whatnot. The look would be an added bonus. But for me, the mouse behavior (having to set up the mouse to react the same way in the MIDI editor and the Arrange window etc) took me a while to find out where all those settings were buried. I'm pretty patient, and could see Reaper's deep potential (especially since I enjoy scripting), but others may be turned of by analysis-paralysis.
As always... just my 2 cents
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08-21-2018, 02:39 PM
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It took me a couple of years to figure out how to make scroll/zoom with hot keys be consistent over the arrange and tcp. Was super annoyed with that, but now it's all good But I guess getting mouse tools in reaper is probably hard, or maybe someone already did so with scripting?
Something else Deeb said the other day, about copy/cut/paste having the same hot keys depending on the context (object acted on), I'm pretty sure that could be done with some scripting.
I'm just a bit perplexed with these threads, and it's not the first one I've read. My impression is that Justin is mostly programming this for his own fun, and it's kind of pointless to make feature requests and +1 them. He will implement things as he sees fit no matter how much we bitch/moan or +1.
Life gets a lot less stressful if one takes the attitude that I'm along for the ride on a cool journey through Dawland. That said I find him very accommodating if I have some issue and I can present it in a coherent manner. Other times I'm completely frustrated that he won't implement what I desire, but I'm old enough to understand that I can't always get what I want.
There is also the issue of already existing code and how easy or hard it would be to change something, or to implement something new. I think this is something that many of us just ignore because we haven't gotten a clue about how the code looks and how much work it would be to change it, nor how much potential breakage it would cause.
Take something like area selection, I'd +1 that in a second, but maybe there are real reasons for not implementing it. Maybe already existing code or architecture, maybe future plans, maybe the amount of code that would have to be rewritten, or maybe simply Justin's view of how reaper should be and evolve.
What is nice is that reaper has slowly been opened up to users, we can theme, we can write extensions in c, c++, lua, perl, python, etc. We have hotkeys, mouse modifiers, etc. Every year we get more power to create what we want out of reaper with it's awesome underlying performance and media support. Just look at another thread where someone is implementing new and better control surface support. Look at the awesome new launcher. In what other DAW can you do all this?
IMO the most pragmatic approach is just to buckle down and to learn how to program what you want to add to it. If there is something in reaper that's missing stopping you from achieving what you need to do, the devs are normally very open to give a hand, by supplying new actions or APIs, or even holding your hand by giving you sample code snippets.
Just talking about it won't change a thing, doing however does. And I can assure you that the devs have no time to read the entire forum, specially threads like this, because either they're living their own life, or they're busy working on their/our baby!
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08-21-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tls11823
You have me confused as well. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Even what I just quoted is confusing. Take a deep breath and clearly explain what you mean by "smart actions". And what does WhatsApp have to do with any of this?
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ahh ok!
it was written on mobile, and some words i didn't se they were altered or with typos !
without so much typos:
Sorry but this frustrating. You wouldn't have to Change or learn anything. I thought it was clear, because otherwise you wouldn't have made that question. anyway ill post later if you re read and don't get what i mean
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08-21-2018, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Winter
IMO the most pragmatic approach is just to buckle down and to learn how to program what you want to add to it. If there is something in reaper that's missing stopping you from achieving what you need to do, the devs are normally very open to give a hand, by supplying new actions or APIs, or even holding your hand by giving you sample code snippets.
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Agreed 100%... and that's what I did.
Regarding the Justin, my take is he's uber pragmatic... and yes... he doesn't have time to consider all requests. But my guess is the pragmatic ones that everyone agrees with are looked at. But that's purely conjecture
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08-21-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Winter
What are smart actions?
It seems to me that you should just sit down and remap the hotkeys as you want them. If you come up with something better, maybe share them with other people and see what they think. I for one would not relish having to relearn many new hot keys.. Or maybe I completely misunderstand
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"Smart actions blabla":
Basically same shortcut or menu->action for all! major editing actions like:
- glue
- split
- nudge
- mute
- toggle Mute
- copy/paste pooled
so that example
- for glue we could use same shortcut to Glue AI or Item or Notes
- for split we could use same shortcut to Split AI or Item or Notes
- for nudge we could use same shortcut to nudge AI or Item or Notes
- .... and so on
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Originally Posted by Jack Winter
I for one would not relish having to relearn many new hot keys..
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you see, you wouldn't like to learn a few hot keys (which in this case you wouldn't have too), but you don't mind thousands of users having to configure/learn/spend effort to be able to have a better workflow in reaper. It sounds a bit selfish! And this is one kind of resistance we see a lot in this forums. Many things that are proposed don't change anything to anyone, reaper just get's richer and better for more people, including themselves
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Originally Posted by Jack Winter
Something else Deeb said the other day, about copy/cut/paste having the same hot keys depending on the context (object acted on), I'm pretty sure that could be done with some scripting.
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yes it does , but this is something that benefits editing workflow for everyone. Isn't this of Reaper interest?
Last edited by deeb; 08-21-2018 at 06:37 PM.
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08-21-2018, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by deeb
"Smart actions blabla":
Basically same shortcut or menu->action for all! major editing actions like:
- glue
- split
- nudge
- mute
- toggle Mute
- copy/paste pooled
so that example
- for glue we could use same shortcut to Glue AI or Item or Notes
- for split we could use same shortcut to Split AI or Item or Notes
- for nudge we could use same shortcut to nudge AI or Item or Notes
- .... and so on
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I am relatively certain that this is already possible to do with some creative scripting, and I'm 100% sure that if you started to work on it and something was missing in Reaper's API to make it possible, Cockos would add it. This is however 100% my own conjecture, and I could be absolutely wrong
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you see, you wouldn't like to learn a few hot keys (which in this case you wouldn't have too), but you don't mind thousands of users having to configure/learn/spend effort to be able to have a better workflow in reaper. It sounds a bit selfish! And this is one kind of resistance we see a lot in this forums. Many things that are proposed don't change anything to anyone, reaper just get's richer and better for more people, including themselves
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You put words in my mouth, and come close to calling me selfish, further more you imply that I'm somehow part of a resistance to change or betterment, not sure I appreciate that
What I said is "And what would happen to existing users if all the shortcuts were revised at some date..?".
What I meant was in the context of reorganizing all the short cuts and making them more intuitive. Surely you can understand that this would be very painful for us who have spent years learning the reaper shortcuts.
Of course I could save my existing ones and restore them after the proposed change. This however would probably make it difficult to help each other here on the forums, as there would be some users with one set of shortcuts and others with another set.
I think the current situation has come about due to the natural evolution of reaper. Many of these shortcuts weren't foreseen when Justin started coding reaper, so there was no plan at the outset of assigning hotkeys in a more logical manner.
I'm not sure what the solution is, neither keeping the current disconnect in hotkey assignment or reassigning many of them seems very appealing to me. But I do know that we have been given a solution where each individual can change the hotkeys or menus, and we can even add new hotkeys or menu items. At least this seems like an empowering solution to me. I have no idea if it's a stopgap or the final solution, but I'm very happy that I the user has been given this power!
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yes it does , but this is something that benefits editing workflow for everyone. Isn't this of Reaper interest?
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Then please roll up your sleeves and start coding your smart actions. Just talking about it here on the forum is highly unlikely to lead to a change. I'm sure that with the time you have spent writing about it here on the forum, you could have learned Lua and become a proficient scripter! That is to say, a part of the solution and not a part of the background noise on the forum. Not that I want to accuse you of being background noise, just a small payback for calling me selfish and part of the resistance
And if you really aren't capable of learning coding (which I imagine isn't possible for some), surely you could make a high quality feature request (see for instance the area selection one) and maybe Cockos will do it, or you can enlist one of our scripting wizards to write what's needed.
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