There is also a thought that i want to discuss, if it hasn't heard before.
If the Cockos team thinks is a good idea,
they can start a few fundraising campaigns.
For example, if we want to include Hermode tuning, or ARA, or some other algorithm that needs money for buying the license, we can decide what is more important, and then start raising money through kickstarter or something similar.
This way, the price of Reaper won't get high, but more futures will be easier to be included inside.
All this of course under the guidance of the Cockos team.
Doesn't seem a Reaper feature, more like it should belong to some plugin or sampler. That said, I know nothing about the tuning. How is it implemented in Cubase? Can it be used on *any* vsti?
Personally I think it's a cool feature but very niche, so probably low priority.
By "very niche", I interpret that as meaning "cutting edge; used by producers in the know; will be the standard one day soon."
I use this exclusively in Native Instruments for piano and guitar tracks. The problem in NI is the lack of ability to read all instruments and calculate accordingly. This is why the DAW needs to incorporate the algorithm at the core level.
I use this exclusively in Native Instruments for piano and guitar tracks. The problem in NI is the lack of ability to read all instruments and calculate accordingly. This is why the DAW needs to incorporate the algorithm at the core level.
Do you mean in Kontakt? And inside reaper?
What is the way to do this?
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This is a big reason why Chord tracks are so handy, just a simple layer much like the markers, regions, tempo, etc. Besides serving as a visual guide for the harmonic structure of the song, and as a key source for scale snapping in the MIDI editor, it can provide plugins with just temperament functions.
Just temperament is not a thing of the past. All string, brass, and woodwind players do it automatically without even thinking it or being taught to do it.
Cubase 7 and Logic pro are the only DAWs that have it for now.
Is there a possibility to see it in Reaper in the future?
That would be a function of the specific virtual instrument plugin.
If you mean after the recording auto-tune like processing - we already have that ability. You can set autotune (or whatever plugin you use) up however you choose.
For recording purposes, any virtual instrument plugin would need to be written to tune it accordingly. Just like you must tune your stringed (or other) instrument accordingly for such things.
Cubase 7 and Logic pro don't have this feature. More accurately, the proprietary instrument plugins included with those DAWs have the feature.
And you can use any... sorry, most 3rd party plugins in Reaper.
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The YT vid is an exceptionally difficult comparison to make, partly because of the full-of-overtones-already sound used and partly because of that klunky jump between note 4 and note 5.
That said, I personally thought the green bits sound worse than the red bits.
I often think people come up with crap like this just to have something "different" to show for their PhD theses.....
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By "very niche", I interpret that as meaning "cutting edge; used by producers in the know; will be the standard one day soon."
Falling bout laughing at this one! "Coming soon to a maths textbook on music near you"
I shall now cease and desist from my mockery.
If stuff like this ever becomes the norm I am hay to say that I and my out-of-tune instruments will be happily mouldering in a grave somewhere....
Bach was one of the very few musicians to successfully meld music and maths.
What a load of nerdy codswallop this is!
although I am with you in all points, I think I have to elaborate on the Bach bit.
Bach didnt make the fusion of music and math happen, he was the first, who found a way to incorporate in a useful way that music = math.
and yes, every now and then someone comes up with a "new" way of tuning or with that "432 is more in harmony with the vibe of the universe"-crap or such.
and yes, exhumation of something, declaring the remains as "new find" and therefor conclude that would be the next big thing is stupid at least.
there is a reason for sticking to our "normal" tuning.
there is a reason for sticking to our "normal" tuning.
It's because it is the most useful when playing in more than one key and for multiple instruments doing so making it the most accepted comprimise. In that respect all temperaments are a give and take of some sort but some of those compromises sound good/neat so just pick one and make music.
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Those ways of producing music are interesting. The one uses a perfect ratio system and sound more modern, this is because it is used on all systems that compose music electronically, commercial mostly. And the other is functioning like real musicians play together and tuning their play in real time by ear. In order to achieve that, any system should need a flow of information between the various components or modules, say plugins and arrangement for example.
I don't think that there is a way or another, it's personal preference. Also it's not a crappy argument such as universe music and parapsychology or even difficult math.
An easy way to achieve this would be either to play with midi and the pitch wheel, to tune pitch on post or to record real musicians instructed to do it. It could give some serious juice to production of medieval or orchestral music for films and games. Nuendo and Logic has the feature implemented, but those are full suites with tons of instruments and internal systems developed over decades.
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i love every tuning even if my ears say no. In other part of the world they might say ye! and is part of an identity (is like DAW internacionalization) . A daw if there is a chance should be concerned to implement this! IMO
In fact i still didn't have time to test about this! is it possible to play a persian or arab tuning in reaper? I think all this is called microtuning . I will research !
Like Fergler said; strings, woodwinds, brass and singers already do this. I played around with hermode tuning quite a bit in Logic, and it can really improve how chords sound when you've got a large midi ensemble playing. Sometimes it sends intonation wonky, but you can apply it as a percentage value to avoid that.
However, Serr is right that it is a function for individual plugins. In Logic it only works with the bundled instruments, not 3rd party ones.
Pretty pointless having this native to REAPER, unless you want to compose symphonies for ReaSynth.
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I had forgotten this fun little thread!
So 3.5 years on, it appears that this is still very much a niche (within another slightly larger niche) case.
And fwiw I dont really see how this has anything at all to do with microtonal stuff - implied earlier - or how this really has anything more than a psycho-acoustic (placebo, anyone?) effect in the real world.
So 3.5 years on, it appears that this is still very much a niche (within another slightly larger niche) case.
And fwiw I dont really see how this has anything at all to do with microtonal stuff - implied earlier - or how this really has anything more than a psycho-acoustic (placebo, anyone?) effect in the real world.
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Maybe I have cloth ears?
Anything that doesn't have fixed intonation (like frets or keys) will lead a player to naturally find just intonation, or the closest approximation to it for the intervals being played.
I find its most noticeable with brass arrangements. Chords sound noticeably different with equal temperament midi horns than when played by a real horn section.
As for cloth ears, the difference might be as big as 17 cents (in the case of tritones), or as little as 2 cents, so it depends on the piece being played (as well as the clothiness of your ears ).
So 3.5 years on, it appears that this is still very much a niche (within another slightly larger niche) case.
And fwiw I dont really see how this has anything at all to do with microtonal stuff - implied earlier - or how this really has anything more than a psycho-acoustic (placebo, anyone?) effect in the real world
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Didn't read the whole article but from a first glance I get that if Reaper cannot force a VSTi to use a specific pitch for a given MIDI note then it's up to the synth to implement Hermode (or any other) tuning.
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