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10-19-2018, 09:41 AM
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v.5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018
v5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018
- + FX: allow embed of some plug-in UIs into TCP (done via action or FX menus)
- + FX: embed support for ReaEQ, ReaXComp, ReaComp, ReaSurround, and graphical JSFX
- + Media: better handling of take start offsets when disabling item looping
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10-19-2018, 09:49 AM
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Whoa!
Cool new feature
Note that for ReaComp, changing the parameters in TCP doesn't refresh the positions of UI controls in the plugin GUI.
It'd be really great if we could have this added to MCP as well. It'd make a lot of sense with sidecar layouts!
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10-19-2018, 10:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Triode
v5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018
[list][*]+ FX: allow embed of some plug-in UIs into TCP (done via action or FX menus)[*]+ FX: embed support for ReaEQ, ReaXComp, ReaComp, ReaSurround, and graphical JSFX
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Very cool! Is support for third party VST plugins in the plans?
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10-19-2018, 10:06 AM
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We should have some way of calling up the main GUI from the TCP widget. Also bypassing or offlining it. How about clicking the text to the left of the widget for bypassing, ctrl+click to offline?
EDIT: I see now in the bottom there's something that toggles the GUI on/off. But in my theme it's barely visible, it doesn't look like an arrow like in main theme. Is there a theme color that governs the color of this arrow?
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10-19-2018, 10:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
EDIT: I see now in the bottom there's something that toggles the GUI on/off. But in my theme it's barely visible, it doesn't look like an arrow like in main theme. Is there a theme color that governs the color of this arrow?
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Yeah, the same is with default theme.
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10-19-2018, 10:08 AM
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Wow, speechless!
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10-19-2018, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
Yeah, the same is with default theme.
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In default theme it looks fine over here? Just a white arrow.
But the arrow is not fully shown in my theme here.
EDIT: Looks like this looks the same in Classic 1.0 theme, so it's reverting to that. Might there be a PNG element for this?
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10-19-2018, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Triode
v5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018[*]+ FX: embed support for ReaEQ, ReaXComp, ReaComp, ReaSurround, and graphical JSFX
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What a lovely thing! It may be useful to change embedded plugins' heights there.
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10-19-2018, 10:11 AM
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Nitpick:
When shown in TCP and off/onlining it doesn't dis/reappear immediately, only after resizing the track to trigger a redraw.
edit:
Actually just 'do something' (e.g. move edit cursor, click in TCP...) is enough to refresh, maybe it's fine.
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10-19-2018, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
How about clicking the text to the left of the widget for bypassing, ctrl+click to offline?
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Had the same initial thought.
EDIT, no wait.
Clicking to show the GUI, CTRL-Click to bypass would make more sense IMO.
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10-19-2018, 10:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
In default theme it looks fine over here? Just a white arrow.
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It looks like this in default theme.
The only themes where I can see arrows are both default Nitpicky and the Dark one.
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10-19-2018, 10:17 AM
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Even if the arrow is visible... It's so small and not easy to catch. The plugin description is much better suited for opening the GUI.
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10-19-2018, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vitalker
It looks like this in default theme.
The only themes where I can see arrows are both default Nitpicky and the Dark one.
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Looks like it depends on the size of the widget.
In any case, it's not looking good in my theme.
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10-19-2018, 10:22 AM
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BTW regarding my suggestion of having this in MCP as well, I would add to this that in this case the widget doesn't have to be interactive, it could just be a display (very useful to see EQ curve right there, for all your tracks). Then you click the widget to open the plugin GUI...
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10-19-2018, 10:24 AM
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Ah! There are new PNGs for the theme!
tcp_fxembed_header_bg_h.png
tcp_fxembed_header_bg_v.png
tcp_fxembed_header_float.png
tcp_fxembed_header_minimize.png
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10-19-2018, 10:25 AM
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Only 39 more until version 6. Woohoo
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10-19-2018, 10:28 AM
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This embed thing is amazing. It'd be cool to see it in MCP as well.
Is there any chance we could see a transfer function for the compressor instead of just a threshold?
Being able to see/use the knee, and see the ratio better would be far more useful. (I know the ratio is shown with the circle currently)
And of course attack/release.
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Last edited by Robert Randolph; 10-19-2018 at 10:33 AM.
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10-19-2018, 10:32 AM
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With graphical JSFX, the GUI is the "wrong" size on Retina screens:
(Hopefully I resized this correctly for old forum themes).
It doesn't matter if I use the default HiDPI theme or not.
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10-19-2018, 10:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Triode
v5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018
[list][*]+ FX: allow embed of some plug-in UIs into TCP (done via action or FX menus)
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Great new feature indeed. Worthy of a large version number jump !
I notice that hovering and using the scroll wheel to change the q value works in the ReaEQ GUI but not on the embed at the moment.
If there are any plans to add mouse modifier options to all the ReaEQ band creation/bypass/clear stuff that would be great. I'm very used to a single click to create a band, alt-click to bypass a band and double-click to clear in my other frequently used EQ.
Many thanks for all these new features.
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10-19-2018, 10:55 AM
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ReaEq in MCP would be great.
The slope rate is not visible at the moment.
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10-19-2018, 11:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaya Orsan
Maybe it could be enabled for all plugins, and the user could simply scale, crop, and move them within a canvas area on the TCP?
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It unfortunately isn't technically feasible. 3rd party VST plugins can choose to implement their GUIs in a multitude of ways, that Reaper has no reliable control over. It might work for some plugins, but not at all for other plugins and would cause confusion and support burden.
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10-19-2018, 12:22 PM
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I foresee some JS plugins becoming a bit more popular now...
Last edited by JamesPeters; 10-28-2018 at 12:58 PM.
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10-19-2018, 02:20 PM
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When more than one FX is set to show in a track's TCP but trackheight isn't large enough to show all maybe a way to choose which one(s) should be displayed would be good?
So we could leave trackheight at only showing one (saving space) and choose which one currently is shown (rather than always the first in chain as currently).
edit:
e.g. collapsable
Last edited by nofish; 10-19-2018 at 02:36 PM.
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10-19-2018, 02:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Note that for ReaComp, changing the parameters in TCP doesn't refresh the positions of UI controls in the plugin GUI.
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Thanks, fixing
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10-19-2018, 02:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenakios
Very cool! Is support for third party VST plugins in the plans?
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We'll definitely expose an API for those interested, yeah.
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10-19-2018, 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Randolph
With graphical JSFX, the GUI is the "wrong" size on Retina screens:
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Yeah -- this is sort of a known issue, and in general the embedded-JSFX-UIs don't function while the actual UI is open (due to limitations in the JSFX code). So that's sort of a live-with-it thing (though maybe we could have it scale it down, it's sort of pointless anyway).
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10-19-2018, 02:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesPeters
I foresee some JS plugins becoming a bit more popular now...
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General Dynamics works nicely in that space too...
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10-19-2018, 02:37 PM
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Any chance we can get the ReaComp Foldover issue fixed while you're poking around in there?
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10-19-2018, 02:57 PM
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Nice! thanks devs!
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10-19-2018, 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Yeah -- this is sort of a known issue, and in general the embedded-JSFX-UIs don't function while the actual UI is open (due to limitations in the JSFX code). So that's sort of a live-with-it thing (though maybe we could have it scale it down, it's sort of pointless anyway).
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It'd be nice if you could scale it down, since the embedded GUI is massive and basically unusable on retina/hidpi screens
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10-20-2018, 01:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
We'll definitely expose an API for those interested, yeah.
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awesome!! :-)
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10-20-2018, 05:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Randolph
It'd be nice if you could scale it down, since the embedded GUI is massive and basically unusable on retina/hidpi screens
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Unless I'm misunderstanding you -= yes, the embedded GUI is massive and unusable when the main-JSFX UI is open on a retina screen. BUT -- it's also *always* unusable in the sense that it does not respond to mouse clicks at all, when the JSFX UI is open. So it's a bit moot. But we can scale it down, it'll look like crap (from aliasing) though.
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10-20-2018, 06:41 AM
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FX UI doesnt show up in non-default themes
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10-20-2018, 06:42 AM
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but hey, fucking cool guys!!!
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10-20-2018, 06:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Unless I'm misunderstanding you -= yes, the embedded GUI is massive and unusable when the main-JSFX UI is open on a retina screen. BUT -- it's also *always* unusable in the sense that it does not respond to mouse clicks at all, when the JSFX UI is open. So it's a bit moot. But we can scale it down, it'll look like crap (from aliasing) though.
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It's unusable in the sense that even when it works, it's massive. You have to increase your TCP to ridiculous sizes to even see most jsfx.
The 'brokenness' when it's open, I get that. But it'd be nice to be able to sensibly use it when possible. i.e. not having to make my TCP take up 2/3rds of my screen.
If that isn't reasonably fixable, then perhaps allowing embedded graphical JSFX was a bit silly to begin with? Possibly? Maybe?
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10-20-2018, 06:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Triode
v5.961+dev1019 - October 19 2018
FX: allow embed of some plug-in UIs into TCP (done via action or FX menus)
FX: embed support for ReaEQ, ReaXComp, ReaComp, ReaSurround, and graphical JSFX,
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Cool feature. Thanks!
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10-20-2018, 07:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Randolph
It's unusable in the sense that even when it works, it's massive. You have to increase your TCP to ridiculous sizes to even see most jsfx.
The 'brokenness' when it's open, I get that. But it'd be nice to be able to sensibly use it when possible. i.e. not having to make my TCP take up 2/3rds of my screen.
If that isn't reasonably fixable, then perhaps allowing embedded graphical JSFX was a bit silly to begin with? Possibly? Maybe?
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you're seeing -- it shouldn't be displaying as 2x-sized retina if the JSFX properly handles gfx_ext_retina, and the JSFX main UI isn't open. For example, General Dynamics works as expected, and works well in modest sizes.
Edit: yeah, PadSynth needs a bit bigger of a space. That's something for JSFX authors to improve, appearance at smaller sizes.
Last edited by Justin; 10-20-2018 at 07:54 AM.
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10-20-2018, 08:18 AM
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+ FX: allow embed of some plug-in UIs into TCP (done via action or FX menus)
+ FX: embed support for ReaEQ, ReaXComp, ReaComp, ReaSurround, and graphical JSFX
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Pretty cool!
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10-20-2018, 01:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Hmm, I'm not sure what you're seeing -- it shouldn't be displaying as 2x-sized retina if the JSFX properly handles gfx_ext_retina, and the JSFX main UI isn't open. For example, General Dynamics works as expected, and works well in modest sizes.
Edit: yeah, PadSynth needs a bit bigger of a space. That's something for JSFX authors to improve, appearance at smaller sizes.
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Ok, I see what's happening now.
But, when the GUI is open, the TCP drawing does double in size still, even for something like General Dynamics:
It does look a bit silly. even if you can't utilize the TCP view.
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10-20-2018, 01:29 PM
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I don't know if this a theme issue, or an issue with the embedded FX:
The FX label and "Open FX" button move for no discernible reason when resizing.
Or at least... I don't understand why it's moving from the left side to the top in this scenario.
I'm using this theme: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=165040
I confirmed that this happens with the default 5.0 theme though.
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