Old 10-12-2008, 08:24 AM   #1
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Default Divide Track List [Split The Timeline (please?)]

Very effective and very ergonomic and clean. I can't live in large projects without it. In Reaper's world there would be multiple splits that you can name and fold up and will.

http://theaudiocave.com/Jing/Split.swf
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Old 10-12-2008, 09:32 AM   #2
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that's exactly what you can find in my mockup.

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Old 10-12-2008, 10:29 AM   #3
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That IS extremely nice with high track counts!
I forgot about that in Cubendo.

I record bands all the time, and would definately use this alot.

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Old 10-12-2008, 02:02 PM   #4
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Very effective and very ergonomic and clean.

http://theaudiocave.com/Jing/Split.swf
great idea.
But "Split timeline" seems a bit of a confusing title IMO. Timeline means the horizontal axis,to me, yes/no?; which IMO would also be a good idea.

This functionality in MS Excel is called horizontal & vertical split IIRC. I reckon both would be a great idea.
Sorry if this seems like hi-jacking the thread but Re Horizontal split it could be a good edit aid to (optionally) play across the split - to try edits.
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Old 10-13-2008, 12:46 PM   #5
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Yeah... I see what you mean. "Split the Workspace" might be more a more correct description?

Dunno. Just split.
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Old 10-13-2008, 01:39 PM   #6
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Default how about some all round 'large project' workflow improvements?

Brilliant. Just what is required for large projects.

How about a package of 'large project' improvements if you're on a roll:

- workspace split view
- track show/hide manager (to go with the nice new group matrix)
- integrated media bin / file management

Doing long projects would be sooo much easier with this. I get a bit lost after about 5 minutes and 12 tracks in Reaper, yet i regularly end up mixing with about 80 to 90 tracks (not all playing at once) down the side. One project i did recently reached a massive 18 minute track, which was difficult to return to after a few days.
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:03 PM   #7
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please?!?!?! YES, Please!
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supporting bump for this
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:57 AM   #9
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and another voice.

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Old 10-16-2008, 02:58 PM   #11
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Default Tracks or Time too?

Just so the lovely developers get coherent info from us lot, (enthusiastic rabble)-- are these "+1's" for the originally proposed idea? Suggest it's called "Track Split".
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to be able to Split both Tracks & Time?
IE both on the Vertical axis(as originally proposed)("Track Split")
Or Horizontal axis too?
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Old 10-16-2008, 04:39 PM   #12
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Don't know why I called it "Split Timeline". It's "Divide Track List".

One thing I left out of the video is the independence when it comes to zooming and track heights. For example if you're aliging drums you might throw a kick track up top at a certain vertical track height as a reference. Scrolling the lower section vertically to bring other tracks next to it (directly under it) in the vertical view.

So using a global track height control on the lower section doesn't affect the upper section's track height and vice versa. They each have a full set of those vertical controls.

So there's an editing benefit also. Below I've added a second ruler at the bottom of the upper tracklist as an additional time reference for editing in the lower list. In this case you can scroll down to track 200 on the lower list and always have the reference audio, and the secondary time reference (or whatever else is there), stay in view.

That top track might be a video track, or whatever you don't want to scroll out of view. So it's not just for hiding things... it's also for "holding" things.

Don't copy it. Do it better.


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Old 10-16-2008, 05:07 PM   #13
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One thing I left out of the video is the independence when it comes to zooming and track heights.
Yeh, a good idea but I took that as a given that each 1/2 of a split could be presented as desired; a useful feature to be sure.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:00 PM   #14
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Good idea.

I would also take a timeline-split : show my intro on the left <split> show my ending on the right ::: without seeing the central part of the song.

A la Word or XL etc. (yes, I said it ;-)
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Old 10-18-2008, 06:54 AM   #15
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+1

This is added flexibility to any kind of track hide/show method. In particular Lawrences mention of lining up stuff on one panel while editing to it in another has me listening.

In post production we deal with dozens of tracks in just one signal group, so this could work really well, not only as a track show/hide method, but also to simply look at different area(vertically) of my session without having to hide stuff.

The horizontal split is obviously the next step. A good reason is that you can zoom in to great detail and copy/move things between the views, without having to scroll across a great distance.

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Old 10-18-2008, 07:23 AM   #16
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That's the one major flaw of the Cubendo method, not being able to just drag tracks across the split via the TCP. You have to right-click and "toggle" the track.

Not good... not sure what they were thinking there.

You can however drag - media - across the split which copies the track to the other section without a modifier and duplicates all settings including plugins. Not sure why I'd ever do that though...

And then you lose the CTL "hold horizontal position" modifier locking when moving the media vertically across the split. ?? Weird.

The "toggle" (thankfully) does remember the TCP positions so it does goes back to the same positions it was when last in - in either list - when you toggle back and forth. Here's the nutshell...

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When the Track list is divided into two parts, the following applies:

• If you add tracks from the Add Track submenu of the Project menu, Video tracks, Marker tracks and Arranger tracks will automatically be placed in the upper part of the Track list.

• If the Track list already contains tracks of the type Video, Marker or Arranger, these will automatically be moved to the upper part when you divide the Track list. All other types of tracks will be placed in the lower part.

• If you add tracks from the context menu invoked by right-clicking in the Track list, tracks will be added to the part of the Track list in which you click.

• You can move any type of track from the lower Track list to the upper and vice versa by right-clicking it in the Track list and selecting “Toggle Track List” from the context menu.
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Old 04-02-2018, 03:37 PM   #17
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Hey all. I found this ancient thread through google. Did anything like this ever end up getting implemented in Reaper?

The flash file linked above is dead now but I think we're talking about something like this:
http://www.huelsbeck.com/cubase-tric...he-track-list/

I'm historically a Nuendo user and realising how useful I found this feature.
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