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Old 08-17-2015, 07:54 AM   #161
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Bug Report
(Windows 7 x64, Vordio 4.3.2, REAPER 5, Premiere Pro CC 2014)

It seems that the reconform function doesn't works very well with region.

I exported a project into XML from Premiere Pro with Regions and Regions comment.
First conversion : perfect. Regions were implemented in REAPER project.

Then, I deleted and moved clip in Premiere Pro.
Reconformation : Regions are 0s wide.
and regiuons ends are replace by markers.


Can you reproduce ?

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Old 08-21-2015, 01:00 PM   #162
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Let me know if you want project files to try to reproduce this issue.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:44 PM   #163
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Thanks for the bug warning. I will only use markers in the project I'm going to mix as the reconform function is really appealing!
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By the way this thread should not belong to the "os x" section !
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Bug Report
(Windows 7 x64, Vordio 4.3.2, REAPER 5, Premiere Pro CC 2014)

It seems that the reconform function doesn't works very well with region.

I exported a project into XML from Premiere Pro with Regions and Regions comment.
First conversion : perfect. Regions were implemented in REAPER project.

Then, I deleted and moved clip in Premiere Pro.
Reconformation : Regions are 0s wide.
and regiuons ends are replace by markers.


Can you reproduce ?
Ah yes. We spoke about what to do with markers/regions with a reconform.

I think we decided that is would be best to overwrite them as the old ones would usually be irrelevant and any that are still relevant will still be there anyway in the XML.

However, I actually forgot to implement the code to remove the old ones. Doh!

REAPER does regions in a quite strange hack. They are actually two markers one after each other. I imagine the order has been messed up so regions became markers.

I have also noticed that Reconform doesn't seem to work as well with Premiere as it does with FCPX. I am not sure why yet but Premiere has some odd timing issues that may affect it.

Also, the current reconform engine is quite fussy about how you work. There are quite a few dos and don'ts.

Since noticing these issues after adding Premiere support (VORDIO was originally FCPX only), I have been experimenting with two new reconform engines that work in quite different ways. I want to make a reconform engine that is more tolerant of different working methods.

The new one will need some user interaction and a better UI. The current process is all or nothing, it either works or doesn't - you can't correct a mistake before it happens, it doesn't stop, it just keeps going.

Also, it is best to email support for bug reports. I may not see them posted elsewhere. I didn't see this one until your private message.
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Old 09-05-2015, 06:51 AM   #166
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By the way this thread should not belong to the "os x" section !
Yes you are right. VORDIO started as OSX only for FCP X only. Now it supports a few more NLEs and windows so maybe start a new thread.

However, I would prefer bug reports to be sent to the support email address. Then I cannot miss them accidentally.
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Thanks for all the infos, I am glad to see that you still develop Vordio actively

Good luck with bug fix and new engines !
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Old 09-05-2015, 07:09 AM   #168
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This might be interesting for you:

RF64 read support
RF64 write support

New 5.01 pre1.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

EDIT: BTW I could read RF64 in REAPER (rendered in another app), just not render RF64 in REAPER without truncating. Maybe read worked by accident!
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Old 09-05-2015, 10:40 AM   #169
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

EDIT: BTW I could read RF64 in REAPER (rendered in another app), just not render RF64 in REAPER without truncating. Maybe read worked by accident!
I think I spoke too soon.

I can't get RF64 rendered in REAPER to open in NLEs.

However if I render a WAVE64 and convert that to RF64 using ffmpeg it does open in NLEs.
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Old 09-05-2015, 02:04 PM   #170
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Throw a detailed report at them. Perhaps include data about what's different in the FFMPEG-generated file.
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Old 10-03-2015, 06:23 AM   #171
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All great things !
Davinci Resolve 12 should came out very soon !
I have been experimenting with Resolve 12 support today.

It seems to work much better exporting FCPXML instead of the older FCP7XML format (resolve misses out some media paths for some clip types).

However, Resolve doesn't add 'roles' to the FCPXML which is the usual organisational principle for that format. Vordio uses roles to organise the REAPER project.

So I need to find some other organisation principle for Resolve FCPXML exports.

Currently tracks come out with silly names because that info is missing. See screenshot.

Any suggestions for an organisational principle when roles are missing from the FCPXML? Bear in mind that FCPXML is not a track based format, so can't use 'tracks' to organise.
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Old 10-05-2015, 07:27 AM   #172
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Vordio 4.4 now has basic support for Davinci Resolve 12.

What's new:

* Basic support for Davinci Resolve 12. You should export FCPX XML from Resolve for best results (media paths sometimes go missing in exports of the older FCP7 XML format).

* All dependencies are now bundled within Vordio so there is nothing else you need to install. If you previously installed java to use vordio you can now uninstall it if you like.

* Windows version now comes as a self extracting installer wizard.

http://vordio.net/vordio-4-4-release/
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Old 10-05-2015, 07:55 AM   #173
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Thanks for the update and Resolve support !

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* Windows version now comes as a self extracting installer wizard.
So, on windows install, we can't define path, we can just press INSTALL.
It is always nice to be able to choose the install location, as not all my softwares goes on C:/


EDIT:
What is the Vordio tracks renaming scheme form Resolve projects ?
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:18 AM   #174
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Thanks for the update and Resolve support !



So, on windows install, we can't define path, we can just press INSTALL.
It is always nice to be able to choose the install location, as not all my softwares goes on C:/


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What is the Vordio tracks renaming scheme form Resolve projects ?
OK. I can add a page to the installer to select location. That is pretty easy with NSIS.

I still need to work out an organisational principle for Resolve/REAPER.

I've had to recommend using FCPXML for now because it seems to be more reliable than the older FCP7 XML format (same as used by Premiere/FCP7). Resolve missed some media paths out in my tests with the older format.

FCPXML doesn't have tracks, it's node-based, instead of track based. The normal principle in FCPXML is to use roles to organise media but Resolve doesn't add roles to the FCPXML (yet? they seem to be adding FCPX-like features to Resolve all the time)

I could use 'lanes' which exist in FCPXML but it gets a bit complicated when you consider expanding compound clips. I will experiment with lanes though. Resolve turns tracks into lanes on FCPXML export but that is not really what lanes were for.

I am open to suggestions. This initial support is basic, I mostly concentrated on eliminating crashes etc.
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:19 AM   #175
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have you been posting on their message board too?
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have you been posting on their message board too?
Not yet but that is a damn good idea.
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Old 10-06-2015, 07:45 AM   #177
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I'll give it a mention on the facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/306080639552827/
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:22 AM   #178
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I am looking for a DAW to use in conjunction with Edius when I am making films.
Reaper seems a good fit.
Please could you state whether you plan to support Edius in Vordio.
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:30 AM   #179
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I am looking for a DAW to use in conjunction with Edius when I am making films.
Reaper seems a good fit.
Please could you state whether you plan to support Edius in Vordio.
Thanks.
If Edius supports XML exports then Vordio may work already. It does with Lightworks and Resolve XMLs even though I don't officially state support for those yet.

If Edius doesn't then EDL would be the quickest way for me to add support for it. However, EDL only contains limited automation metadata compared to XML. It should get the raw audio items out though, so if that is enough, then I'll add EDL. I can get plenty of Edius test cases off one editor at the local TV station. You could help test too.

I might support AAF in future, but AAF is a compability nightmare between different apps quirky interpretations of it. It's a big job and I'll probably only get round to AAF after a number of other features first. EDL I could do quickly.

AAtranslator will convert AAF to RPP at the moment but again each NLE exports it's own quirks in it's AAF which is why I have avoided it so far and went with XML preferred. Most products for AAF only test AAFs against avid products. I know AAFs from some products don't work well in another DAW I use, only if they come from avid.
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Old 12-22-2015, 03:24 AM   #180
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Sod's Law being what it is, you can probably guess the answer.

As far as I know Edius supports EDL and AAF export but not XML.

Apparently it does support XML import, if that is any help.
My impression is that EDL is too crude to be of much help ie the whole purpose of the exercise is to create a seamless interface between the NLE and Reaper.

Edius has recently been upgraded and I have a licence for Workgroup, which is their
most expensive option. So if they introduce XML export I should get it.

I have just paid a wodge of money on the promise from Edius that they will introduce
new features over the coming two years. But there is no list of what these will be.

If I can help with any testing please message me.
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Old 12-22-2015, 03:34 AM   #181
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=_0hxzkTl3FA

Here is a video which shows how to export AAF from Edius. There is an option to export in an Avid-friendly format, which may help with the incompatibility issues you mention?
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Any release date for your next big release with the new interface and conform engine ?

I guess you are also waiting for that new release to make tutorial videos.
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Any release date for your next big release with the new interface and conform engine ?

I guess you are also waiting for that new release to make tutorial videos.
Sorry for the delay. Things have been a bit complicated lately, as on top of other work, I have also been refurbishing my house to sell it, so I can move to a different part of the country.

I think I may need to do a smaller release with the new dark UI but without all new features because some are still not finished yet. I try not to release something until I am convinced everything works, but I could simply leave some features out for now.

I've also been experimenting with support for other output formats apart from RPP, such as OpenTL files, which means you could open a FCPX or Premiere project in StudioOne, Cubase, Nuendo, Logic etc.

Here's a FCPX project I opened in StudioOne, converted by Vordio into OpenTL.



My mission to eliminate OMF/AAF is in progress

Here's a funny quote from Tascam who seem to hate OMF/AAF as much as I do!

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Old 01-25-2016, 06:24 AM   #184
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Ok thanks for the infos

Because the fact is that I want to write an article about Vordio on my website since a while, but I think the new engine will be the perfect occasion to do it (and it will also help if you have video tutorials for illustrate the article), as Vordio will appear even more seducing that it is already.

So I'll be patient then.

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Sorry for the delay. Things have been a bit complicated lately, as on top of other work, I have also been refurbishing my house to sell it, so I can move to a different part of the country.

I think I may need to do a smaller release with the new dark UI but without all new features because some are still not finished yet. I try not to release something until I am convinced everything works, but I could simply leave some features out for now.

I've also been experimenting with support for other output formats apart from RPP, such as OpenTL files, which means you could open a FCPX or Premiere project in StudioOne, Cubase, Nuendo, Logic etc.

Here's a FCPX project I opened in StudioOne, converted by Vordio into OpenTL.


My mission to eliminate OMF/AAF is in progress

Here's a funny quote from Tascam who seem to hate OMF/AAF as much as I do!

Fantastic program, I wish I would have known about it for the last film I worked on! I'm very excited to hear about OpenTL implementation. Not only could you use that to open FCPX files in Cubase, Logic etc. but you could also open Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic projects in Reaper and vice versa. Not just useful for video projects and great news for the Mac user who doesn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on AATranslator and have to emulate it on top of all that.
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Fantastic program, I wish I would have known about it for the last film I worked on! I'm very excited to hear about OpenTL implementation. Not only could you use that to open FCPX files in Cubase, Logic etc. but you could also open Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic projects in Reaper and vice versa. Not just useful for video projects and great news for the Mac user who doesn't want to spend hundreds of dollars on AATranslator and have to emulate it on top of all that.
At the moment Vordio is one directional i.e. NLE -> DAW but I could add the reverse direction for full round tripping later.

Someone recently requested RPP -> FCPX because they use REAPER to preprepare audio before editing, which is something I hadn't thought of before.

I am also trying to find a spec for Steinberg Track Archives but haven't yet. I think I'll have to write to Steinberg. Track archives support more features than OpenTL.
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Ok thanks for the infos

Because the fact is that I want to write an article about Vordio on my website since a while, but I think the new engine will be the perfect occasion to do it (and it will also help if you have video tutorials for illustrate the article), as Vordio will appear even more seducing that it is already.

So I'll be patient then.

Cheers
Sorry again for the delay. I am completely rebuilding Vordio with a different UI framework and rewriting old code to make way for new features.

It is a pain refactoring old code but in the end, it will be worth it. It will make space for plenty of requests.

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Awesome. Great product. I've been using it for quite some time.

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Awesome. Great product. I've been using it for quite some time.

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Thanks Terry for the compliment.

Here's a sneak preview of the new, completely rebuilt from scratch, stylable UI coming in Vordio 4.5. It makes space to add plenty of new features and will be a generally more friendly user experience for new comers.

I'm also adding a simple audio extract feature to the free version which scans folders to extract audio from video files. This is for people who want to send camera audio to someone.

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Ok thanks for the infos

Because the fact is that I want to write an article about Vordio on my website since a while, but I think the new engine will be the perfect occasion to do it (and it will also help if you have video tutorials for illustrate the article), as Vordio will appear even more seducing that it is already.

So I'll be patient then.

Cheers
I have managed to get quite a lot of work done on the new Vordio release since moving to my new place in the countryside 12 days ago.

Also since I have a new studio, I can do recording and make tutorial videos again. I had so much trouble with noise pollution where I was in the city. I had building work going on every side which made life really difficult for a while.

Anyway, not long to wait now for a new realase. Here are some screenshot previews.

All functions are now separated on their own tabs. Each also has much better feedback and interaction.

There is also new function "Extract WAV" for quickly extracting camera audio from video files or folders with any media. If a media file has audio in, it'll come out converted to WAV.

The reconform function show here is not the newer region based "Compare XML" one, it is still the old item-based reconform engine but has a new UI. When the new region-based Compare XML function is finished, I will also add another reconform engine to it's output. So there will be two methods!





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Can't wait!!!

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Well, the new version is not out yet, but I wanted to do this since a long time so...

here is a Vordio Review (french and english) + Video Demo :
REAPER for Audio-Video Post-Production: A Vordio Review / ExtremRaym

This is my way to support this project

Cheers !

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Well, the new version is not out yet, but I wanted to do this since a long time so...

here is a Vordio Review (french and english) + Video Demo :
REAPER for Audio-Video Post-Production: A Vordio Review / ExtremRaym

This is my way to support this project

Cheers !
Thank you very much Raymond.

It is looking like I will be able to release Vordio 4.5 in about a week.

I will also have internet connected from the 29th at my new place, so can watch and post videos again.

The last few weeks I have been doing all internet communication from cafes and pubs!
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Glad you like it

Can't wait to see Vordio evolution ! Good luck !
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Glad you like it

Can't wait to see Vordio evolution ! Good luck !
I am amazed by what I am adding myself at the moment.

Because the engine is audio item-based, not region-based, like traditional approaches, so it can manipulate items individually in REAPER, even when there are overlaps. This means less limitations than the traditional approach.

It can handle different conflicting operations within different overlapping regions and still only affect the correct items, not everything in the region. I have not seen that before.
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:03 AM   #197
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Yes. Finding bugs is getting hard now. So 4.5 will definitely be ready on Friday.

Here is a preview of the enhancements to the reconform engine. This is a big improvement to the old engine, not the newer "Compare XML" engine which works in a different way and will appear first in V5.

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Old 03-01-2016, 05:07 AM   #198
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Looks very cool !

The "Done" text should be white IMDO, black on grey background is not very readable :P

(what is the purpose of the shuffle button ?)
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Looks very cool !

The "Done" text should be white IMDO, black on grey background is not very readable :P

(what is the purpose of the shuffle button ?)
One of the reasons for rewriting the app from scratch was to use a much more modern UI tech that is easy to style. That is also why it has been so long since the last release. It is a completely different app really.

Below is what reconform looks like without any of my styling changes using the default theme.

I could make different themes, or even let people make their own themes. Want to make a theme for Vordio? It is pretty easy. This code below changes it to white on black instead of black on white.

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.root {
    -fx-base: rgb(50, 50, 50);
    -fx-background: rgb(50, 50, 50);
    -fx-control-inner-background:  rgb(50, 50, 50);
}
Shuffle tries out every possible combination of selected conforms to find an order where they all would end up with the same sync value.

You can only shuffle up to 10 items at once because that has 3628800 possible combinations to check (a few seconds). 20 items would be 2432902008176640000 combinations which would take a year!

All the new features will be revealed in a video on Friday. I now have internet connected again & a better studio with no noise pollution, so I can make & upload tutorial videos again. I had really bad problems where I was in the city. There was building work happening on on every side of me which made recording VOs horrible.

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Oh so styling is like CSS ! Handy !
I don't plan to make any theme as your white/dark theme are both great :P

Cool for the videos, I'll update my article with your video when you will make one.

Good luck for the release !
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